9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Originally posted by Disclosed [ Seems many on here have posted more credible evidence than you.

Well that just proves that you do not know the difference between evidnece and opinions.

Originally posted by weedwhacker See, we feel this much more deeply than anyone who is so far removed....

If you felt it more deeply why do you guys insult anyone who does not agree with that you believe? Why do you ignore any evidence that is presented the does not agree with what you believe? Why don't you do research to find out what happened? If anything you dishonor the people that died that day by just going along with what you have been told and not wanting to find the truth. [edit on 26-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

quote]Originally posted by weedwhacker See, we feel this much more deeply than anyone who is so far removed.... ... And for the record, i work in the DC/Metro area Also i support out troops in the field every day. How many others on here can say that? (and i mean in real life) [edit on 26-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas. Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB.

Well it seems you know nothing about the law when it comes to crime scenes.

We're not talking about the law.

In case you did not know anytime an aircraft crash is considered a crims scene (like the 9/11 cerash sites) the FBI becomes the main investigation agency with the NTSB providing technical assistance.

We're not talking about crimes scenes nor the law.

The only official reports about the crime scenes MUST COME FROM THE FBI AND NTSB, since they are the main investigating agencies.

We're not talking about where crimes reports come from.

"Since the FAA , FBI, and NTSB have not released most of the information we do not know what hit the Pentagon. If it was a plane we do not know what plane it was."

That is the fallacy of false alternatives. Provide the information that the FAA, FBI, and NTSB has released. Demonstrate that eyewitness testimony and wreckage cannot be evidence of what type of aircraft and which flight it was. Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB for us to know whether AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon or not.

To date neither the FBI or NTSB has released crime scene information. If you do not believe me look for yourself and see if you can find the crime scene reports.

Read again what you wrote:

"Since the FAA , FBI, and NTSB have not released most of the information we do not know what hit the Pentagon."

Provide the information they did release. Backup your claim that eyewitness testimony cannot be used. Be an adult and backup your claims.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker See, we feel this much more deeply than anyone who is so far removed....

If you felt it more deeply why do you guys insult anyone who does not agree with that you believe? Why do you ignore any evidence that is presented the does not agree with what you believe? Why don't you do research to find out what happened? If anything you dishonor the people that died that day by just going along with what you have been told and not wanting to find the truth. [edit on 26-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Careful, Ultima1, you're trolling.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed [ Seems many on here have posted more credible evidence than you.

Well that just proves that you do not know the difference between evidnece and opinions.

You've demonstrated that you are perfectly willing to substitute opinion for evidence, Ultima1. Please support your opinion that "...eyewitness acounts (sic) would not hold up in court." We're still waiting.

On itty bitty question: WHY did the worlds greatest military power FAIL to defend even its own HQ?

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA....I appreciate that you think you're dong good work, in your endeavors. However, if you wish to build a strong case for a 'False Flag' Op, as pertains to 9/11, you are not helping yourself by engaging in 'tit-for-tat' one-line posts....looks like bickering. Not criticizing, just observing. I, for one, would like to hear what your actual theories are.....you seem to keep responding to others....you leave veiled ideas that the B757 never existed at the Pentagon....but you really never offer an alternative theory! What is your theory?? And, as a side note, what happened to the people, the passengers and crew, of AAL77, who are still missing?? ULTIMA, you juggle many threads, with the short-post approach....but we just don't really hear from YOU!!! I'd like everyone to sit back, and let ULTIMA present his case....I have no authority, it is only a request.

Originally posted by jthomas Demonstrate that eyewitness testimony and wreckage cannot be evidence of what type of aircraft and which flight it was. Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB for us to know whether AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon or not.

1. The testimonies of the witnesses would not hold up in court since they could not agree what type of plane it was, where it hit and some were told later it was a 757. 2. Their are no official reports matching the wreckage or parts to a 757 or to Flight 77. 3. THE FBI and NTSB are the main investigators for 9/11 the official reports must come from them. [edit on 27-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by jthomas Please support your opinion that "...eyewitness acounts (sic) would not hold up in court."

Its very simple, the witness accounts would not hold up in court because they could not agree and some admitted they did not know what hit the Pentagon and were told later. Any half decent lawyer would destroy the witness accounts in court.

reply to post by ULTIMA1 ULTIMA.....dude, we have already said that hearsay evidence is not admissable in court....you keep bringing it up, but it makes no matter....you are deflecting, because you know, as well as I do, that it confuses the issue, to your advantage. Red-herrings, red-herrings, red-herrings.... ULTIMA, I have asked you for solid evidence to support your contentions....you have brought bad sources, easily debunked....please provide good, solid stuff....we wish to hear from you!!!!!

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, I have asked you for solid evidence to support your contentions....you have brought bad sources, easily debunked....please provide good, solid stuff....we wish to hear from you!!!!!

I have shown and will keep showing evidence that shows reasonable doubt to the official story. As stated the witness statements from the witnesses at the Pentagon will not hold up in court. There are no official reports (FBI or NTSB) that match any wreckage or parts found to flight 77. [edit on 27-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1 I only reply, so that others can scroll up, and read for themselves. It is very evident that ULTIMA, as a respected ATS member, simply flaunts that status....while not violating the T&Cs, he comes close....with nonsense posts.....which are possibly intended to 'bait' others....???? The term 'trolling' is a pejorative I'd not wish to assign to anyone.....I don't have the knowledge, nor the authority.....to ascribe the moniker of 'troll' to anyone...... For myself...I just write what I know....and I know what I write....

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas Demonstrate that eyewitness testimony and wreckage cannot be evidence of what type of aircraft and which flight it was. Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB for us to know whether AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon or not.

1. The testimonies of the witnesses would not hold up in court since they could not agree what type of plane it was, where it hit and some were told later it was a 757.

a) You have not presented the testimony of the hundred of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon and saw and/or recovered the wreckage. b) You have been asked repeatedly to do so and you either do not know or refuse to. Please provide all of that testimony to back up your opinion.

2. Their are no official reports matching the wreckage or parts to a 757 or to Flight 77.

Eyewitness reports do not depend on official reports. Please provide the eyewitness reports I have repeatedly requested from you to back up you claims that no one can know that AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon.

3. THE FBI and NTSB are the main investigators for 9/11 the official reports must come from them.

a) You have stated that they have not released all of the information. Please present the information they have released as requested of you several times. b) Explain what evidence the FBI and NTSB would gather in their investigations.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker ULTIMA, I have asked you for solid evidence to support your contentions....you have brought bad sources, easily debunked....please provide good, solid stuff....we wish to hear from you!!!!!

I have shown and will keep showing evidence that shows reasonable doubt to the official story.

You refuse to present the evidence

As stated the witness statements from the witnesses at the Pentagon will not hold up in court.

You have refused to back up that statement when asked repeatedly. You're posts constitute trolling. Deal with the topic and present the evidence to back up your claims. Answer the questions or admit you cannot; do not continue to evade them. I do not want to have to report you, Ultima1.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS On itty bitty question: WHY did the worlds greatest military power FAIL to defend even its own HQ?

Please demonstrate what ability the military had to defend the the Pentagon from AA77 hitting it.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed If you know that too, then why do you keep crying for the FBI and NTSB reports...knowing they arent available? What part of "not yet released" are you having problems with, Roger?

I have been repeating again and again that the reports have not been released, but others on here like to state they know what happened that day as if they have seen the reports.

A monumental fallacious statement (as you already know). You have yet to demonstrate that "official reports" are needed to know that AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon. The reports are not the evidence.

Thats why i keep asking if they have the evidence they think they do to provide it.

You haven't provided the evidence we have asked for. Please demonstrate what hundreds of people saw and/or recovered from inside the Pentagon. What is the nature of the wreckage? If not from AA77, then demonstrate why these hundreds of people have never contradicted it? If not from AA77, demonstrate what the wreckage was and how it got there.

Originally posted by jthomas You have not presented the testimony of the hundred of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon and saw and/or recovered the wreckage.

There are no official reports or evidnece as to what plane the wreakage belongs to, how many times do i have to keep reposting this to get it into your closed mind?

Eyewitness reports do not depend on official reports.

You do need reports to support the witness statements, since the witness statements would not hold up in court.

Explain what evidence the FBI and NTSB would gather in their investigations.

If you wnat to know that information i suggest you look up what the regulations are on aircraft crime scenes. Let me know if you need hepl io can give you few links. [edit on 27-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by jthomas You have not presented the testimony of the hundred of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon and saw and/or recovered the wreckage.

There are no official reports or evidnece as to what plane the wreakage belongs to, how many times do i have to keep reposting this to get it into your closed mind?

Provide the information that the FAA, FBI, and NTSB has released. Demonstrate that eyewitness testimony and wreckage cannot be evidence of what type of aircraft and which flight it was. Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB for us to know whether AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon or not.

Eyewitness reports do not depend on official reports.

You do need reports to support the witness statements, since the witness statements would not hold up in court.

There is no court involved. You have not presented the testimony of the hundred of witnesses who were inside the Pentagon and saw and/or recovered the wreckage. b) You have been asked repeatedly to do so and you either do not know or refuse to. Please provide all of that testimony to back up your opinion.

Explain what evidence the FBI and NTSB would gather in their investigations.

If you wnat to know that information i suggest you look up what the regulations are on aircraft crime scenes. Let me know if you need hepl io can give you few links.

You have stated that they have not released all of the information. Please present the information they have released as requested of you several times.

Originally posted by jthomas Demonstrate the validity of any claim that that all evidence must come from the FAA, FBI, and the NTSB for us to know whether AA77, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon or not.

I will only state this 1 more time. If you do not understand it PLEASE get someone to help you to. THE FBI AND THE NTSB ARE THE MAIN INVESTIGATORS FOR THE 9/11 CRIME SCENES. THERE REPORTS ARE THE ONLY OFFICIAL REPORTS THAT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO KNOWING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT DAY, INCLUDING IF FLIGHT 77 ACTULLAY DID HIT THE PENTAGON. [edit on 27-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]