9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Cameronfox a number of the links you posted lead to nothing but error screens? you might want to check it out.

Originally posted by marcopolo Cameronfox a number of the links you posted lead to nothing but error screens? you might want to check it out.

He seems to have pasted them from www.rense.com... without checking out....

Funny, several of cameron's links worked for me..... Ultima, AGAIN, there was absolutely no reason to do a reconstruction. Reconstructions are done only when you need to find the reason WHY an airplane crashed. We KNOW why that jet crashed into the Pentagon. As for the continuing, absurd, claims that there is no proof that a 757 hit the Pentagon.....im convinced that the only way many on this board would accept it, is if the Federal Government would have came on 9/11 and picked them up and used THEM to investigate the Pentagon. They definitely dont trust the US military, the FBI, the civilian fire/rescue teams, or anyone else that was there. We have: The serialized data recorders belonging to that jet (yes Ultima I know, no one came to your house and showed the records to you) The remains of the people who boarded Flight 77 that morning were recovered from the mess at the Pentagon. Then there is the 757 wreckage recovered........ Hell, im betting that most people wouldnt have believed it, if they had been sitting on the Pentagon lawn that day.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 We have: The serialized data recorders belonging to that jet (yes Ultima I know, no one came to your house and showed the records to you) The remains of the people who boarded Flight 77 that morning were recovered from the mess at the Pentagon. Then there is the 757 wreckage recovered........ Hell, im betting that most people wouldnt have believed it, if they had been sitting on the Pentagon lawn that day.

We have no FBI or NTSB reports on any of the aircraft crash scenes, and yes reconstructions would have been needed as part of a normal crash/crime scene investigation. Their are conflicting reports on the black boxes. If the fire was hot enough to almost completly destroy the plane it would have also detroyed the bodies and the DNA evidence. Their are no reports matching the wreckage found to the registration number of flight 77. [edit on 3-1-2007 by ULTIMA1]

simply becuase there are CONFLICTING reports says to me its a coverup. If there was one true story everyone could see, especiallly in such a catastrophic event, at the US heirachy.. you'd think they could all get their story straight eh ?

Originally posted by mcfunthomas

Originally posted by marcopolo Cameronfox a number of the links you posted lead to nothing but error screens? you might want to check it out.

He seems to have pasted them from www.rense.com... without checking out....

Thanks.. .and yes thats where I got them. Sorry that alot of the links were old and removed. ( i should have checked them all) Ultima, all you have is that of all the witnesses that saw a PLANE...they didn't identify it as a 757. You keep repeating this over and over and it means nothing! Like i have said in the past...the average person does not know ALL the plane sizes and numbers. Geesh [edit on 3-1-2007 by CameronFox]

We have no FBI or NTSB reports on any of the aircraft crash scenes, and yes reconstructions would have been needed as part of a normal crash/crime scene investigation.

Ultima, I know this is hard for you to accept but aircraft reconstructions are NOT always needed. Ive been around 4 aircraft mishaps, two were reconstructed, the other 2 were not because they were able to figure out why the planes crashed without it. It is NOT always a part of a "normal" investigation. Besides, what about 9/11 WAS normal? Not a blessed thing, it was a brand new experience for us. As for the reports, you forget the other half of the statements... No FBI or NTSB reports THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN YOU. There is nothing that says they have to show you the reports.........yet. IF they officially declare the case closed THEN they would be bound to release the reports. Till then, just because you havent seen them, doesnt mean they are not there. I could point you to the recovery workers that found the relatively small piece of fuselage skin that had the registry number on it, but you probably wouldnt believe them either.

it landed in the pentagon not crashed i reckon a project called aces (a name give to top pilots of ww2) was involved to do with air traffic monitory systems guidence that was designed for and against these specific tasks like controll emobilesed system www.cdi.org/PDFs/FY06SpaceSpending.pdf www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html i found dates and names of books in this page in relation to 911 the number and how it can match evnents only the books with aces are relevent 1939 19 minus 39 minus 9 syboll of september users.ev1.net... i wrote down sum stuf on aces but i was pritty drunk when i did but these storries names on the aces books are really interesting

1939 makes september 911 number and is when germany declaried war on the west (the bankers war)

Originally posted by CameronFox Ultima, all you have is that of all the witnesses that saw a PLANE...they didn't identify it as a 757. You keep repeating this over and over and it means nothing! Like i have said in the past...the average person does not know ALL the plane sizes and numbers. Geesh [edit on 3-1-2007 by CameronFox]

Yes, so if the witnesses could not say it was a 757, and the plane was missing off the radar screen for several minutes, what proof do we have thats its flight 77 ?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 Ultima, I know this is hard for you to accept but aircraft reconstructions are NOT always needed. Ive been around 4 aircraft mishaps, two were reconstructed, the other 2 were not because they were able to figure out why the planes crashed without it. It is NOT always a part of a "normal" investigation. Besides, what about 9/11 WAS normal? Not a blessed thing, it was a brand new experience for us. As for the reports, you forget the other half of the statements... No FBI or NTSB reports THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN YOU. There is nothing that says they have to show you the reports.........yet. IF they officially declare the case closed THEN they would be bound to release the reports. Till then, just because you havent seen them, doesnt mean they are not there. I could point you to the recovery workers that found the relatively small piece of fuselage skin that had the registry number on it, but you probably wouldnt believe them either.

Yes thier has never been anything like 911 so why didn't they do a proper investigation, specially on the Pentagon and flight 93. I have access to government sites and have not found any FBI or NTSB reports or a reason why they can not show them, i can find reports on all other aircraft crime scenes but nothing on any of the 911 aircraft scenes. If the workers found a piece with a registration number why don't we have a report on it or a photo of it buy now, its been over 5 years ? [edit on 3-1-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 If the fire was hot enough to almost completly destroy the plane it would have also detroyed the bodies and the DNA evidence.

don't you watch the show Bones? They take bodys that have been burnt to a crisp and are nothing but skeleton and easily ID them. the show is based on the life of forsenic anthropologist Kathy Reichs. maybe google it. it's very interesting stuff.

Originally posted by lizziex3 don't you watch the show Bones? They take bodys that have been burnt to a crisp and are nothing but skeleton and easily ID them. the show is based on the life of forsenic anthropologist Kathy Reichs. maybe google it. it's very interesting stuff.

Yes, but they did not have the DNA testing back on 9/11/2001 that they do now, in fact NIST DNA experts had to come up with new DNA testing, but it was not ready for testing untill early 2002. www.nist.gov...

Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective. In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.

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I find it absolutely strange and inconsistent when the government says that they cannot release video due to the security. There is nothing that would be exposed in showing the "plane" going into the Pentagon. It was a civilian airlines not military aircraft. If the Government can do no better than provide 4 frames, then they are hiding something. We did nothing to stop the aircraft, so there is nothing to give up in providing the footage and in providing the pictures of Flight 93. It is obvious that we would not be exposing any military secrets... the military was no where to be found.

Originally posted by blanddad I find it absolutely strange and inconsistent when the government says that they cannot release video due to the security. There is nothing that would be exposed in showing the "plane" going into the Pentagon. It was a civilian airlines not military aircraft. If the Government can do no better than provide 4 frames, then they are hiding something. We did nothing to stop the aircraft, so there is nothing to give up in providing the footage and in providing the pictures of Flight 93. It is obvious that we would not be exposing any military secrets... the military was no where to be found.

I would have even bought the story that I was a commercial airliner if the 4 frames hadn't been shown to public..as they show the smallest BIG AIRLINER in the world in there. ...you know what I'm saying... keeping military secrets and showing nothing would have been smarter

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 Yes, so if the witnesses could not say it was a 757, and the plane was missing off the radar screen for several minutes, what proof do we have thats its flight 77 ?

Is there any (yes this sounds stupid) study or survey that asks people what kind of plane they see... and what the accuracy is? Sorry, but I think this point about the witnesses NOT saying "757" proves NOTHING. No one can gove one resonable answer to this question..... WHY? Why swap the plane? The others were not hidden...we saw them crash. Please tell me what good it would do to swap the planes??

Originally posted by CameronFox No one can gove one resonable answer to this question..... WHY? Why swap the plane? The others were not hidden...we saw them crash. Please tell me what good it would do to swap the planes??

Again another question you know can't really be answered, but if you want opinion... Well the obvious answer would be that the mission was too difficult and too risky with a real 757. They didn't want to end up with a 757 sitting on their lawn, or worse, what a mess that would have been to clean up. The towers were not hard to miss (Like the South tower tilt question, that is conveniently ignored by you), the pentagoon was a much more difficult target. Why do you think they would swap planes? Do you ever think hypothetically, or does everything have to be black and white for you?

Originally posted by CameronFox

Originally posted by ULTIMA1 Yes, so if the witnesses could not say it was a 757, and the plane was missing off the radar screen for several minutes, what proof do we have thats its flight 77 ?

Is there any (yes this sounds stupid) study or survey that asks people what kind of plane they see... and what the accuracy is? Sorry, but I think this point about the witnesses NOT saying "757" proves NOTHING. No one can gove one resonable answer to this question..... WHY? Why swap the plane? The others were not hidden...we saw them crash. Please tell me what good it would do to swap the planes??

I never said they did swap planes, i am very simply stating we have no proof that it was flight 77. 1. No photo or video released showing flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. 2. No source of who took the photos of parts found at the Pentagon. 3. No report matching the parts found to flight 77.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 The remains of the people who boarded Flight 77 that morning were recovered from the mess at the Pentagon. Then there is the 757 wreckage recovered........

say I'm an ignorant but I simply need to know where to find a plausible source of this. Especially about yo second statement...

Originally posted by mcfunthomas

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 The remains of the people who boarded Flight 77 that morning were recovered from the mess at the Pentagon. Then there is the 757 wreckage recovered........

say I'm an ignorant but I simply need to know where to find a plausible source of this. Especially about yo second statement...

If you look for the Zacarias Moussaoui trial web site, they use a lot ofr evidence from the Pentagon. Included are some pictures of burnt passengers still in their seats. Also, try searching through DNA testing they did. They used DNA to identify many of the bodies (not all were able to eb tested because they were too badly damaged). I have seen all this stuff on TV documentaries, so I don't have any links. But jsut offering suggestions on angles to search. The trial, and 9/11 DNA testing.

Originally posted by snoopy

Originally posted by mcfunthomas

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 The remains of the people who boarded Flight 77 that morning were recovered from the mess at the Pentagon. Then there is the 757 wreckage recovered........

say I'm an ignorant but I simply need to know where to find a plausible source of this. Especially about yo second statement...

If you look for the Zacarias Moussaoui trial web site, they use a lot ofr evidence from the Pentagon. Included are some pictures of burnt passengers still in their seats. Also, try searching through DNA testing they did. They used DNA to identify many of the bodies (not all were able to eb tested because they were too badly damaged). I have seen all this stuff on TV documentaries, so I don't have any links. But jsut offering suggestions on angles to search. The trial, and 9/11 DNA testing.

And if you look back a few posts you will see that i stated that if the fire was hot enough to destroy most of the plane it would have destroyed most of the bodies and would have destroyed DNA evidence. Is thier a source for the photos used at the trial, like who took them, where and when they were taken ?