9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon

Sasseville and the two F-15s later joined on Air Force One, while Lucky positioned her F-16 about 10 naut. mi. in front of the 747. With the SADL data link system, she was able to monitor her location relative to Sasseville's SADL-equipped F-16 positioned on Air Force One's left wing. Another flight of F-16s from Ellington AFB, Tex., were about 5 mi. in trail. They had escorted the President from Offutt AFB, Neb., according to 121st FS officers. Why the Washington-based F-16s were sent to shadow the President's aircraft back to Andrews AFB has not been disclosed. Apparently, someone in the Norad or Secret Service command loop had received information about a potential threat to the 747, prompting a request for additional armed escorts. Surrounded by fighters, Air Force One descended rapidly toward its home base. Lucky made a clearing pass over the airfield, pulled up, circled back and joined on Sasseville's wing. All of the fighters remained with the 747 until the latter landed, then climbed and established a CAP over Andrews. Despite being short of aircrews the next few days, the 121st flew continuously for about 63 hr., maintaining protective CAPs over Washington. They were aided by fighters from other ANG, Reserve and active-duty units, as well. "We were generating airplanes faster than they could put 'em up," remarked Belknap. "And we still are."

So who owned that white Learjet ? ? ?

Just wondering something.... The specs of the 757 is said to be 44 ft 6 in at the height of the tail, like you said in your first post. And the height of the Pentagon is said to be 77 feet. Now just by looking at the Pentagon videos real quick, despite the frames being much slower than real time, and the distance of the cameras from the actual Pentagon, doesn't that "757" look a bit small in comparison to the height of the Pentagon?

www.montalk.net... Goes on to talk of the mathematics behind the 757... The Pentagon height, h, is 77 feet. In computer analysis, h measured 43 pixels and L was 244. Calculations show that L equates to 440 feet. Due to errors in perspective and measurement of pixels, this number is better stated as a range between 350 and 450 feet. The red line shows the relative length of the Boeing 757 using the same pixels-feet ratio. With 100 frames per second, the plane appears to have traveled ~440 feet in .01 or .02 seconds, or 22 to 44 thousand miles per hour. Once again, this number is clearly absurd, even if approximate. The cruising speed of a Boeing 757 is less than 600 mph, and Fox News reported that in the case of the Pentagon crash it traveled at 350 mph.

Man, these super 757 planes really move fast now-a-days. As well, the website provides more detailed animations. Take a look for yourself:External Link

I still want to know where all the special jet-fuel laden TOXIC WASTE went, and is being kept? If thousands of gallons of jet fuel were ACCIDENTALLY LEAKED, there would be a massive EPA cleanup, and the resulting soil and debris would have to be sent to a special licensed special waste site. Or am I wrong about this?

Rich, your question is easy enough to answer...YES you are wrong.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999 Rich, your question is easy enough to answer...YES you are wrong.

OK! I believe you! *rolling eyes*

Originally posted by __rich__ I still want to know where all the special jet-fuel laden TOXIC WASTE went, and is being kept? If thousands of gallons of jet fuel were ACCIDENTALLY LEAKED, there would be a massive EPA cleanup, and the resulting soil and debris would have to be sent to a special licensed special waste site.

Well it would all depend on how much was burned up in the fire, how much went into the building and how much went into the ground. "special licensed special waste site" - Just like they had to get rid of all the asbestos and LBP debris from the renovation project. So what?

Demolition and abatement of asbestos and lead was a massive effort. Work began as soon as the various tenants vacated Wedge 1. Once the areas were cleared of nontoxic rubbish, they were enclosed to prevent the escape of asbestos fibers and abatement was carried out under strict safety precautions. In all, 636 dumpsters of debris, 685 tractor-trailer loads of asbestos waste and 17 truckloads of lead waste were removed from the wedge. Items with salvage value were sold, with the proceeds reducing contract costs. Approximately 70 percent of the items demolished were recycled. Abatement was completed in September of 1999.

renovation.pentagon.mil...

Why did the FBI originally say it would take a month to do the crime scene investigaton at the Pentagon but then stop only 5 days later. www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said. FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them. WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today. The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

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As to our discussion before LabTop buried our posts with his breaking of the TOC by quoting WAY over 500 words from an external source; like 8 pages worth… I would still like to see this promised response:

Originally posted by mcfunthomas I will soon be here to comment the above replies as got little time now.

I take it by the lack of a reply that you discovered that what I wrote is factual and not the stuff of debunkers? I mean unless you going to straight out lie, the truth is pretty hard to comment on, isn’t it? One site debunked…

Originally posted by __rich__ I still want to know where all the special jet-fuel laden TOXIC WASTE went, and is being kept?

Jet fuel is nothing more then a different cut of Diesel fuel, or kerosene, the same stuff you can buy at your local gas station. It is considered to be HazMat, but it is not toxic waste. Jets frequently spill fuel, normally caused by over fueling the aircraft, and it happens quite frequently. I guarantee you that it has happened at least 50 times across the world in the time it took me to type this post. The standard way of disposing of this fuel is to wash it down with water, try and pick up some with dry-sol, and let the rest of it seep into the ground to be diluted. It comes from the ground to begin with after all...

I !-highly-! doubt a boeing even struck the Pentagon. blog.myspace.com... www.ignoranceisntbliss.com... This new 911 film focuses on prior knowledge and smoking gun facts. Doesnt cover things like found in virtually all of the other 911 films like government sponsored demolitions theories, reported explosions or other disaster scenes related evidence or theories. "I suggest that this be the film you burn to CDs and handout, and here Ive included a downloadable version of this document to distribute with it. The file also includes the PNAC guide I did yesterday (must see if you haven't yet), so you might want to include those PDF files as well. The easier it is for people to do their own research the less likely it is theyll just ignore this most critical issue in American History. People need to be held accountable, or we dont have democracy."

Originally posted by defcon5 I take it by the lack of a reply that you discovered that what I wrote is factual and not the stuff of debunkers? I mean unless you going to straight out lie, the truth is pretty hard to comment on, isn’t it?

Well i doubt very much if you know the truth since thier are no FBI reports on any of the 4 aircraft crash sites.

Good thourough research... I thought it was pretty interesting that someone pointed out that it would be hard for someone to make such a precise strike on the pentigon with limited flight training. from what I understand about modern airliners they realy arnt that hard to fly. you can set your altitude course speed all on one panel. So even for someone who had little training all they would have to do is set these numbers and sit back to wait for the end.

Originally posted by whatukno Good thourough research... I thought it was pretty interesting that someone pointed out that it would be hard for someone to make such a precise strike on the pentigon with limited flight training. from what I understand about modern airliners they realy arnt that hard to fly. you can set your altitude course speed all on one panel. So even for someone who had little training all they would have to do is set these numbers and sit back to wait for the end.

The problem comes from flying low at the rate of speed they were going, and hitting light poles and a generator. You also have many conditions flying a plane that size that low and fast such as, 1. Ground effect 2. Compressablity 3. Jet Blast Airliners have crashed on take off from hitting 1 light pole and that was at a low speed. www.lasvegassun.com...

The staggering plane was doomed. It clipped a light pole in the National Car Rental parking lot, 2,760 feet past the runway, shearing off 18 feet of the left wing, then brushed the roof of the Avis Rent A Car building. The engines stalled.

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Originally posted by LaBTop

In the afternoon, Sasseville and Lucky were flying their second mission of the day--armed with AIM-9 missiles now--when they were told to contact an AWACS aircraft in the area and "expect special tasking." They were directed to fly a 280-deg. heading for 140 naut. mi.--almost due west of Washington. Unable to communicate by secure or encrypted means, the AWACS controller lowered his voice and told Sasseville via radio they were going to "escort Air Force One," President Bush's aircraft. Two Langley F-15s offered to go along, and Sasseville concurred. Soon, an AWACS controller reported a fast-moving, unidentified aircraft southwest of Air Force One, approximately 60 naut. mi. away, but on a "cutoff vector" to the President's Boeing 747. It was above 40,000 ft. and the 747 was "in the 20,000-ft. range," but Sasseville sent the F-15s to intercept the unknown aircraft. It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. Why the Washington-based F-16s were sent to shadow the President's aircraft back to Andrews AFB has not been disclosed. Apparently, someone in the Norad or Secret Service command loop had received information about a potential threat to the 747, prompting a request for additional armed escorts.

So who owned that white Lear jet ? ? ? A white Lear jet or look alike was seen in New York flying around the WTC towers just before they got hit. A white Lear jet or look alike was seen at Shanksville when flight 93 went down. And this Lear jet was intercepted by F-16s from Washington when Air Force One seemed to be threatened when G.W.Bush came back to the White House at around 17:30 PM. That Lear jet was flying around all day of 9/11, sightseeing the 9/11 events : It was a Lear jet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. That was around 09:30 AM ! G.W.Bush returned at about 17:30 PM ! It looks like the "planners" were so damn curious, that they wanted to see for them selfs what happened that day. They sent cameramen to record their Coup d'Etat ! I will not be surprised when in a not so far future video footage shot from that plane will be worth a lot of money in certain wealthy circles, the same circles who pay huge sums for footage of raw murders and rapes. Pure filth, these people. [edit on 27/11/06 by LaBTop] [edit on 27/11/06 by LaBTop]

can a moderator shorten that long link from "suddism" up there to make this page readable again? And fix the problem with color tags in the BB software ? Or tell me what I do wrong when I follow the board's BB coding. ; It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air . It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air. Edit: can you see it right in IE 7.0 or earlier? I use FireFox 2.0, and I only see the ; in red, the rest is plain (first 2 lines) and bold text. (the rest) [edit on 27/11/06 by LaBTop] [edit on 27/11/06 by LaBTop]

Originally posted by LaBTop And fix the problem with color tags in the BB software ? Or tell me what I do wrong when I follow the board's BB coding. ; It was a Learjet that hadn't yet landed after aircraft nationwide had been ordered out of the air.

Hmmm, I see the same, but then again I'm on firefox too. I inserted spaces to see if it makes a difference ... You can't use apostrophes within the text You cant use apostrophes within the text remove the apostrophes and the bb code will work, I forgot about that little flaw. [edit on 11/27/2006 by Mechanic 32] [edit on 11/27/2006 by Mechanic 32] [edit on 11/27/2006 by Mechanic 32]

Originally posted by defcon5 I would still like to see this promised response:

Originally posted by mcfunthomas I will soon be here to comment the above replies as got little time now.

I take it by the lack of a reply that you discovered that what I wrote is factual and not the stuff of debunkers? I mean unless you going to straight out lie, the truth is pretty hard to comment on, isn’t it?

I hope your last sentence above was in no way sarcastic... of course you can take it by the lack of reply as U said, because you don't know why it took me time to respond. so, thx 4 yo comment, but what I've been most interested in were the pictures with fragments of the red letters on the blue background. the mentioned site stated they come from the above-windows area and this was what I focused my thoughts on. You focused on rivets... Maybe I should have been more clear in my request. Anyway, I need some photos of 757 where they show those sides of the plane with some words as too make me rethink that the photos of the 'letter-debries' may come from other parts of the 757 than stated on 77debris.batcave.net... if you have them or know where to refer to, let me know. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO U ALL... Still little time to dedicate to this topic. sorry lads.

Happy new year everyone....... I've read through most of this and I'm "reasonably" sure this wasn't covered. Some photo's show markings accross the front of the building which were supposedly created by the leading edge of the rh wing. The front of the engines are forward of the leading edge, so if the leading edge managed to leave damage, then surely the engine must have left a mark / damage, but there does not appear to be any from it...

Originally posted by anomoly2 Happy new year everyone.......

I've read through most of this and I'm "reasonably" sure this wasn't covered. Some photo's show markings accross the front of the building which were supposedly created by the leading edge of the rh wing. The front of the engines are forward of the leading edge, so if the leading edge managed to leave damage, then surely the engine must have left a mark / damage, but there does not appear to be any from it...

Yes thier is very poor evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. We do not have a FBI or NTSB crime scene report.

Just some info, probably old...but worth repeating: Compilation of Witness accounts to the debris from the Pentagon Crash: 1) "Most of the wreckage was in very small pieces and most was carried out in drywall buckets. Some was large enough to identify -- including the tail number on the aircraft. I don't think there's any doubt about what it was and who owned it." (From a letter by an employee of the Pentagon) www.humanunderground.com... 2) "DC Matthew" wrote about his work inside the Pentagon: "After about 15 minutes shoveling up chunks of carpet and brick, I found a piece of circuit board, and a chunk of the plane. When I say a chunk of it, I mean a piece that was about 3 oz of twisted aluminum. The biggest piece I've seen so far is about the size of a refrigerator." pub6.ezboard.com... 3) While searching through wreckage inside the building, firefighters Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz "spotted an intact seat from the plane's cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached." Burkhammer also "spotted lime-green pieces from the interior of the plane" within the building. www.msnbc.com... 4) CMSgt. John Monaccio wrote: "I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area." www.geoffmetcalf.com... 5) ARFF Captain Michael Defina said: "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear." www.nfpa.org... The Navy operations area, where the cockpit was discovered, was in C-ring near the punchout hole. Many witnesses also recalled seeing plane wreckage in A-E Drive next to the punchout hole. The following three items were mentioned: a piece of the nose fuselage or nose cone, a landing gear, and a tire tread. 6) Navy Lt. Commander David Tarantino described the A-E Drive punchout hole: "They found an area where fire surrounded a hole in a wall that was blown out. They heard cries from people who were trapped and saw a plane tire." www2.hawaii.edu... 7) Lt. Kevin Schaeffer from the Navy Command Center recalled that "on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings, a chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall." www.pilotonline.com... 8) "The nose of the plane just barely jutted out into A/E Drive (the street that runs around the inside of the building). It made a perfectly round, 5-foot hole in the wall. There was one set of landing gear (presumably from the nose) out in A/E Drive. But most of the plane's skin was in pieces not much bigger than a piece of notebook paper." (From a letter by an employee of the Pentagon) www.humanunderground.com... 9) "I thought it was a terrorist bomb. . . .But then I saw the landing gear. It was on the ground in the alley between the B and C rings. When I saw it there, not only did I realize an airplane had struck the Pentagon but it was clear that the plane had come through the E, D, and C buildings to get there." (Paul K. Carlton, Jr., U.S. Air Force surgeon general, quoted by Dean Murphy, "September 11: An Oral History," p. 216 10) Rep. Ted Tiahrt wrote: "In the C and B rings the plane had punched a hole you could a drive a truck around in, and I saw an airplane tire. It made it very real." wichita.bizjournals.com... 11) When LTC Victor Correa went back inside the Pentagon, "he found out what caused the horrific attack he survived earlier that morning; he saw the nose cone and the landing gear of the airliner." www.army.mil... There are several sites that show several peices of debris from the crash. They have been posted several times. I will put together AGAIN the list of eyewitnesses and what they saw.....

Originally posted by CameronFox Just some info, probably old...but worth repeating: There are several sites that show several peices of debris from the crash. They have been posted several times. I will put together AGAIN the list of eyewitnesses and what they saw.....

So where are photos of where all these peices were taken to do a reconstuction ? Where are the FBI and NTSB reports that match the peices found to the registration number of flight 77 ? Out of all the eyewitnesses they could not verify it was a 757. www.stripes.com...

Rescue workers who have been through the building have reported seeing the fuselage; however, the largest pieces of the plane are about 1 by 2 feet. James Schwartz, assistant fire chief of Arlington County, says his unit has assumed leadership of the incident site for fire and rescue. "There is little to no indication of an airplane in there," Schwartz reported.

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