12 girls in New York suddenly come down with spasm, Federal Health Law prevents disclosure of diseas

reply to post by lynn112


You should be worried if you have any high school aged girls in your family in the same area. The officials must be held to report honestly, so far that does not seem likely. Below is why.

Knowing nothing else than what was reported, there's a fraction over 2 chances out of 10,000 that the disorder affects 12 girls and no boys by chance alone. That they are from the same immediate area is also highly significant and may even be more rare than 2 in 10,000 depending on the area. The same is true for it being high school aged vs adults and younger! These are 3 extremely rare occurances. Any explanation must explain all these rare event facts. An explanation which doesn't address all the facts is either an intentional misdirection or a claim by a stupid official / doctor. The girls-only restriction is a really really tight constraint.

The claim of "conversion disorder" should be dismissed outright. So too any thought of ADD meds. These affect both sexes. You are almost more likely to be hit on the head by a meteorite as to have either claim to be correct. I'm exaggerating only a little here, the idea conveyed is right: conversion disorder is about as believable as a person telling you that they have been hit on the head by a meteorite.

I'm dubious of Gardasil being the cause but only because this has occurred in a single town ... unless this is the first of a number of soon to be emerging clusters. If a widely available girls-only product were the cause, we should see more clusters around the country whether it is a constant risk or due to contamination. Single vial / batch contamination is unlikely in manufacturing -- a single town illness caused by a product would tend to have to be deliberate contamination like the infamous Tylenol case in 1982. Anyway, if it's deliberate contamination, it should not be said that whatever product was the vehicle of delivery per se is the cause.

If there are more clusters which have been successfully kept quiet, then Gardasil or some other girls-only product or behavior would still be a possibility. I would strongly recommend the parents in the area begin a FOI action with the CDC on their monitoring program results to date for Gardasil and other girls-only products.

I would keep my daughter home from school until the officials come clean and tell the whole truth. It may not be contagious in the sense of a germ or virus, but it is contagious. Other girls of the same age in the same town are clearly at risk unless there is a specific reason it affected these 12 girls and is certain to affect no others.

BTW: I suspect that the "shots to the neck" as a supposed treatment is something like Botox. That would tend to keep the tic under control by basically paralyzing the nerve involved for weeks at a time. I'd only consider that a treatment for the disease if it is known that the tics will subside and disappear over time. Otherwise, that's only symptom management in the sense of managing arthritis only by using drugs for pain.

The first thing that came to my mind was,,,, all the dead birds, fish and cows that randomly been dying around january last year and january this year, maybe now its time for humans to be affected by this mysterious illness.
Just a thought,
but something to consider

If i was the parent of one of the girls and i knew that the doctors had the answers to what was going on you can bet your ass i wouldnt be polite about getting to the bottom of it. Im thinking a sawn off and a conversation with the doctors is in order.

i live right near where this is happening

it is being covered by the local news sparsely since everything started

i am not a fan of how things are run on this website but id like to put that aside and have registered to clear something up regarding this story only, as i have an interest in it since i am local and want to see anyone get to the bottom of this rather then speculate

it seems people commenting here are under the impression they know what the cause of this is and they are hiding it from the family and parents

SUPPOSEDLY, that is not whats happening

they are not telling the parents, or the kids, or anyone involved what is happening not because of hippa, but because they dont know what the cause is yet

supposedly they are only treating symptoms, not the cause, as is the complaint of some of the parents involved

they want the drs to find out and tell them whats wrong not just treat the symptoms but supposedly the investigation is ongoing and they are still trying to find out the cause

they are saying there is no danger to the public

people who think this may be a bad batch of illegal drugs, i highly suspect that is not the case and wouldve been publicized if it was

this area loves a good drug case and drug publicity, anything they can do to demonize them, they hop on it, if its a bad batch of something, you can be sure theyd be stating so on the news everyday


for those who think the kids are not telling the parents what is going on, you are misled

both the kids and the parents are still trying to get to the bottom of the issue

i wouldnt be shocked if it turns out to be either vaccine based or environmentally based, thats where my moneys going to as far as betting odds


i hate to say the following as its pure speculation but kodak is a very big company based in rochester, not far from where this took place, kodak is getting pummeled right now with how much money they are losing in stocks and everything, now they are also threatened with being removed from the nyse

if thats the case, one may want to look into any illegal dumping of chemicals from kodak, with as much money as they have lost and are losing, they would be trying to cut corners anyway possible, i know i would

in the 80s and 90s at the kodak plant in rochester there was a great deal of "commotion" over smells and other things coming out of kodak into the gennesee river, causing the entire area to be very smelly and cause other health hazards including a cancer problem around the plant

now its 2012, kodak is going bankrupt and those chemicals that are there, that they finally started disposing of properly since the 90s, may no longer be disposed of in such a "Good" or healthy manner

so maybe they dumped something nearby these girls

whos knows

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

HPV vaccine has also been ruled out as a cause, according to Dr. Young.

Says Dr. Young.

He's a state health official, he's going to say what he's told. They ruled out the vaccine but didn't exactly say that the girls never got it.

I want to hear that all of these girls didn't get the vaccine. They probably have otherwise they would have came right out and said "these girls have not had the vaccine". Instead they say that it's ruled out. This sounds like BS to me, anyone agree?

Agreed. How many way could a small group of same sex people be "infected" with something? That they mention vaccines, means it's an option, did they get vaccines? They're not saying, but they considered vaccines as a possible cause, ergo at least one girl had a vaccine? And you don't go get a vaccine like a chocolate bar, you get lined up all together. 12 girls display serious side effects, of how many vaccinations in total? Call it a batch of 60 (?) that went "off", still only 20% of a single bad batch, perfectly acceptable to corporates and the health department.

Can you just hear the Merck rep explaining that while regrettable, it's an inevitable and acceptably small percentage of all, and as such cannot accept responsibility, choosing rather to blame the genetics/environment/habits of young girls who are inconsiderate enough to have bodies who dislike their medicine. Ergo it's the patients fault.

To the local guy, can you find out what vaccines were administered at the school during the last half of the year? Any kid in the school could confirm that for you.

The greatest sadness is i doubt these girls will ever recover, there is no cure. And because of the INTENSE genetic modification, there never will be a cure either.

this is interesting, in a medical way. it reminds me of back when the gulf war ended. in addition to going into a coma from an unknown disease after being in contact with a gulf war vet, i read about a woman who had the same thing happen to her, and her husband related the story in reader's digest. i'm thinking they aren't vetting these drugs for female anatomy, just any anatomy. and i think females might be just different enough biologically from males or lab animals, that it causes serious problems.

lt also came to mind that the girls might all be on birth control pills that were bad and caused a medical problem related to estrogen or something. or maybe they all use tampons and have mild cases of toxic shock syndrome, perhaps the batch of tampons were faulty in some way. or it could be that gardasil stuff.

reply to post by Gridrebel


my theory, it's a contact-based disease. It's trigger is stress related. Kids at that time go through a lot of stuff, stressing them out and pushing them to the limit.

However, this is new. Stress can cause all kinds of problems but not like this. Must be a brain related disease. Tic, spasms, and out-loud cursing, all sound like something messed with their inner thinking.

These are just theories. Can't exactly pin point the problem unless I am faced with it.

The HIPAA thing is BS. Nobody caught it, but stating what it is not is just as much of a HIPAA violation as stating what it is. If they didn't know what it is, they would have said that. By saying they won't reveal the diagnosis due to HIPAA after already violating HIPAA left & right, you can make a safe bet that they are doing damage control to protect someone with a lot to lose if the truth were to come out.

what i find so disturbing and painful is that if i was a doctor i woulbn't care what was written on a piece of paper (the specific law), if someone came to me and their child had an illness and i knew what it was and how it was caused i wouldn't care about the law, i'd tell the parents, i hate the world when people say "this piece of paper says so" as a way to justify ridiculous decisions, where the hell has common sense and humanity gone.

How could doctors live with themselves knowing that peoples children are infected and you know why but you don't even tell the parents? it's beyond disgusting.

I think reading comprehension has always been a problem around here. From what I am reading the cause is not known so they can't tell the parents. You can't tell someone what you don't know.

As for Vaccines, I think you need to prove the girls were vaccinated first. Not that facts mean much around here.

It's strange only females involved. Whatever it is, apparently it knows female hormones?? Maybe that has something to do with it. Weird

Originally posted by sean
It's strange only females involved. Whatever it is, apparently it knows female hormones?? Maybe that has something to do with it. Weird

Or perhaps those females came in contact with a toxin that the boys did not? Maybe in the ladies bathroom?

Originally posted by abovesecret
i live right near where this is happening

it is being covered by the local news sparsely since everything started

i am not a fan of how things are run on this website but id like to put that aside and have registered to clear something up regarding this story only, as i have an interest in it since i am local and want to see anyone get to the bottom of this rather then speculate

it seems people commenting here are under the impression they know what the cause of this is and they are hiding it from the family and parents

SUPPOSEDLY, that is not whats happening

they are not telling the parents, or the kids, or anyone involved what is happening not because of hippa, but because they dont know what the cause is yet

supposedly they are only treating symptoms, not the cause, as is the complaint of some of the parents involved

they want the drs to find out and tell them whats wrong not just treat the symptoms but supposedly the investigation is ongoing and they are still trying to find out the cause

they are saying there is no danger to the public

people who think this may be a bad batch of illegal drugs, i highly suspect that is not the case and wouldve been publicized if it was

this area loves a good drug case and drug publicity, anything they can do to demonize them, they hop on it, if its a bad batch of something, you can be sure theyd be stating so on the news everyday


for those who think the kids are not telling the parents what is going on, you are misled

both the kids and the parents are still trying to get to the bottom of the issue

i wouldnt be shocked if it turns out to be either vaccine based or environmentally based, thats where my moneys going to as far as betting odds


i hate to say the following as its pure speculation but kodak is a very big company based in rochester, not far from where this took place, kodak is getting pummeled right now with how much money they are losing in stocks and everything, now they are also threatened with being removed from the nyse

if thats the case, one may want to look into any illegal dumping of chemicals from kodak, with as much money as they have lost and are losing, they would be trying to cut corners anyway possible, i know i would

in the 80s and 90s at the kodak plant in rochester there was a great deal of "commotion" over smells and other things coming out of kodak into the gennesee river, causing the entire area to be very smelly and cause other health hazards including a cancer problem around the plant

now its 2012, kodak is going bankrupt and those chemicals that are there, that they finally started disposing of properly since the 90s, may no longer be disposed of in such a "Good" or healthy manner

so maybe they dumped something nearby these girls

whos knows

A great deal of experienced ATS knows very well the power of big Pharma, big money and corrupt government. If something bad is going down, and you are being told you are not allowed to know what that is... I don't think its Kodak chemicals, especially when the chemistry side of that company has been idle for years.

A great deal of experienced ATS knows very well the power of big Pharma, big money and corrupt government. If something bad is going down, and you are being told you are not allowed to know what that is... I don't think its Kodak chemicals, especially when the chemistry side of that company has been idle for years.

yea thats the thing

locally, no one is saying we cant know what the issue is

locally, they are saying they cant tell you what tests and everything the girls have been through

locally, they are saying no one knows whats wrong yet, not the parents, not the girls, not the doctors, thats why they are still testing supposedly

but if you want to believe something you heard from fox news or are otherwise speculating be my guest



just because the chemistry side of kodak is idle, doesnt mean they dont use chemicals, their factory on ridge road is still very active, on top of that, they still have govt contracts which we dont have knowledge of as to what they are doing, they could be using any chemicals in the world for all we know, which like you said, when something big is going on, we dont know about it due to cover ups

so dont think you know everything about what kodak is doing, there are many people around this area with contracts with the govt to keep their mouth shut, not just at kodak but many other companies around here




basically what im trying to say, is from what i am reading on this website, everyone thinks theres already a huge conspiracy where they are keeping information from people

that is not the case, they have just said they dont have the answers yet, no one is saying the daughter or parents cant talk or the dr cant talk, they are just referring to hippa laws plain and simple and if the people want to talk they can

bottom line in a place that small, if they wanted to hide something, cover it up, make it go away, it wouldnt have gotten this far

also everyones jumping on the vaccine bandwagon like they already know for sure thats what it is, while i am not a fan of vaccines, people need to keep an open mind

the reason i bring up kodaks situation is because its another plausible alternative relative to where its taking place and locally, i know historically that kodak has had "health issues" due to "disposal issues" for lack of a better term and more specific information immediately available

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Thats why i will not have my kids vaccinated..one cannot be sure if this is, as a matter of fact the cause in this specific case,but ive read+heard enough to make me deeply distrust these vaccines..i had my kids have their baby innoculations against the basic childhood "dread diseases" like polio and the others,but it ended there..after that,they get no innoculations of any kind.I have to point out that they seem to have strong immune systems, my youngest girl had mumps once and chickenpox,from which she rapidly recovered and my oldest only ever had chickenpox, aside from that,nothing,EVER,not even the common cold,i # you not.Seriously.She so healthy its incredible.None of my kids had flu,either and i last had it as a small child,decades ago.

Some observations:

There was a post (first page) and a news articlte online saying this was caused by the flu shot. Has this been ruled out?

Second thought: There is NO WAY that this isn't Gardasil. 12 girls---all in the same relative amount of time, develop a neurological illness and then are told to not talk about it at all. I have a hard time believing this could be anything else but Gardasil.

Of course the families know the cause (if there is one) but they're not saying. HIPPA laws don't prevent the patient from knowing folks! The patients have been told everything if there is anything to be told.

reply to post by Gridrebel

Prevents the kids and their parents from finding out? Good Lord im glad im not American! so outrageous its utterly incomprehensible to me..More and more,as i listen to my American friends,i wanna scream:Get the hell outa Dodge while you still can!!!!!..Seems to me the USA is turning into a concentration camp,or worse.

reply to post by Gridrebel


a 'disease' called nerve agent....?

the CDC would have been called in if it were a plague, disease
the quietness is most likely because a nerve agent is loose on the society & the authorities do not want panic

the analysts are surely trying to locate where the dozen females contacted the substance...




or else its a case of 2012 hysteria (which we will see a lot more of all throughout the year)

And just watch:

Once the word gets out about this to mainstream media, the TV lawyers will start knocking on these parent's doors...and suddenly they'll all be appearing on the Today Show and the Early Show.... and they'll be spilling the beans.

I give it a week....