The Illuminati are the GOOD GUYS!

If there are too much awful and paranoid information about someone it always makes me suspicious - because it starts to look like someone is afraid of something and needs to make up accusations. Catholic churts has done it through history. If they want to destroy someone who thretens their power position, they fabricate all kind of sick accusations from pedophilia to evil plans of world domination. I think it´s same now with Illuminati. I haven´t found any reliable evidence of them being evil and affecting world events. Original Bavarian Illuminati was absolutely good thing, but it opposed power systems. Still does probably. Thus I´m very sceptical about all Illumianti-related conspiracies. Maybe these are originally created by people who are afraid to lose their power and these kind of theories are great food for paranoid people, who so willingly spread them everywhere.
Also, there seems to be much less conspiracies about evil masons, though there are much more of them through history. Illumati seems to support freedom and equality (masons don´t because they exlude women), so maybe it´s even masons who are interested in making Illumianti the embodiment of all evil. Maybe someone wants to make people think that all bad things in the world are Illuminati´s fault, so they can hide their own crimes behind these false accusations.

It seems there are two Illuminatis. One fighting another. One in power and the other is not. But to figure out which one is the good guys is logic-buggling. I still try to figure the thing out even after years of thinking. You have to view the ''bad'' Illuminati view with sceptism, and the ''good'' Illuminati with approval, but how to know which one lies? They both have profound influence in the media.

Originally posted by BlackStar99
What a great script, the Illuminati are the good guys fighting to install a communist utopia and eliminate the evil bankers.

Good observation....That was in fact their script, that is in fact the script of those that now exist and follow their same ideals. They would found a system based on comunism, and work would become slavery, your freedoms would be taken, and you would be TOLD what your occupation was.....this was the ideals of the historical Illuminati, and those that support those ideals now like the Fabian Socialists are in fact their spiritual heirs.

In defense of the bankers though, yes many are immoral. Yes they're full of cronies and many we should never trust, but they just want to take your money. The illuminati and those that now persue their same goals, would take your money also, and your choice, and the truth....and for those who beleive, your soul as well. Most Illuminati conspiracy buffs haven't a clue who the real Illuminati were....but there is a real threat...and while the idealogy no longer refers to itself as the illuminati, it is just as dangerous today as it was then.....it means total tyranny.

Originally posted by swan001
It seems there are two Illuminatis. One fighting another. One in power and the other is not. But to figure out which one is the good guys is logic-buggling. I still try to figure the thing out even after years of thinking. You have to view the ''bad'' Illuminati view with sceptism, and the ''good'' Illuminati with approval, but how to know which one lies? They both have profound influence in the media.

Your concept is correct, your use of the term illuminati is not......there is only one group that went by that name....if you mean in general secret societies yes that is true and there's more then two or even 6 or 20....but only one such group was the "Illuminati."

Originally posted by ForkandSpoon

Originally posted by BlackStar99
What a great script, the Illuminati are the good guys fighting to install a communist utopia and eliminate the evil bankers.

Good observation....That was in fact their script, that is in fact the script of those that now exist and follow their same ideals. They would found a system based on comunism, and work would become slavery, your freedoms would be taken, and you would be TOLD what your occupation was.....this was the ideals of the historical Illuminati, and those that support those ideals now like the Fabian Socialists are in fact their spiritual heirs.

In defense of the bankers though, yes many are immoral. Yes they're full of cronies and many we should never trust, but they just want to take your money. The illuminati and those that now persue their same goals, would take your money also, and your choice, and the truth....and for those who beleive, your soul as well. Most Illuminati conspiracy buffs haven't a clue who the real Illuminati were....but there is a real threat...and while the idealogy no longer refers to itself as the illuminati, it is just as dangerous today as it was then.....it means total tyranny.

I thought that Bavarian Illuminati were fighting against tyranny such as religious domination and monarchy. They were fighting for liberty and believed that humans mustn't let others to rule over them. It looks like they were anarchists rather than communists. Even Thomas Jefferson in his letter approved Adam Weishaupt's ideology and actions.

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thanks for the links and info...

I wonder if the Illuminati have radiant orbs of light glowing around their heads?

that would mean to be enlightened in my opinion and I have seen this before in pictures. They must have existed first because I don't think I have ever seen glowing darkness, it can't glow! it has to be turned into radiance.

don't deny ignorance... educate it. that's the true way.

Originally posted by Avatar777I thought that Bavarian Illuminati were fighting against tyranny such as religious domination and monarchy. They were fighting for liberty and believed that humans mustn't let others to rule over them. It looks like they were anarchists rather than communists. Even Thomas Jefferson in his letter approved Adam Weishaupt's ideology and actions.

No.... Weishaupt shared a disdain for the tyranny of the Catholic church in his day to be true. However where as Freemasons wanted to reform the church, and or provide free republics, and religious freedom, it was Weishaupt's desire to replace it with a tyranny of his own. One in which there was a communal state...(marxism didn't exist, marx didn't exit but it had that bent....) It would be led by an elite, of which he and his chosen would lead all others. All religions would be destroyed, and no one would be able to choose to worship in their own way....

It was a time when the Catholic Church had really hit it's low point in moral corruption, and had beome a tyranant and materialistic institution quite lost from it's spiritual role......many opposed it. However where as some wanted to free men from tyranny, others like Weishaupt merely wished to replace it with one of his own making....he attempted to graft his organization to the masons but they failed....the Illuminati would disolve, however his idea would not, and it has come back countless times under new names. The closest I have seen to his ideals were realized in the Soviet Union, perhaps even more so would be the ideals of the Fabian Society.....I have neever seen any proof that those movements desended directly by anyone involved or not. So I have no reason to think there is a real connection, I only would say they have the same utopia in mind. Where the intellectual elite (aka those who agree with them) would lead everyone else would follow their leadership without question, and dissenters would be crushed.

Weishaupt was educated and trained among the Jesuits, nothing like the Jesuits of today.......some say he simply went to a Jesuit school, others have stated he was in fact being trained to be a Jesuit...in that time they were basically like the black ops of the Catholic Church....very ruthless. The waged diisinformation campaigns, political assasination, they even tried to blow up Parliment.... That he chose the model he did very much sounds like a Jesuit ideal, or at least a Jesuit Ideal by a someone who has lost their faith and now blames the Church.....it's very contrary to Masonic thinking though. Which supported freedom of religion, and reform of the church. Originally likely masons did seem to support the monarchy, provided it was a monarch that supported the people, and was just. However over time this would change to a Democratic Republic as being it's model.

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I do not think that the illuminati are against monarchies....today. I believe that the monarchies in the world have a strong influence in world politics and industry although you never hear or see them. They are the top of the elite...the crowd nobody will ever truly can become a part of....unless you have royal blood.

If the illuminati is good, Why would they worship satin with satanic emblem's?

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Exactly where in Illuminati doctrine did they say they worship Satan and which symbols are Satanic?

Research is key

Those guys are not good, that's for sure

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That's not an answer, that is a dodge.

It's always best for the people to do research on there own as everyone has there own beliefs

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I want to book mark for a read later.

A lot of humans will be getting a wake up call, and a few will try very hard to do the two step to make amends.

Good luck to them, they have a lot of ground to cover to bring it back to square/sphere.

Firstly, this sounds like the remnants of the ORIGINAL illuminatti. Yeah, that's right. The current illuminatti IS NOT the ORIGINAL illuminatti.

It was said that a secret could be kept if only two knew it and one was dead.
So... that means the Illuminati is the guy that becomes good just for keeping a secret.
Are we the dead?????
Are we trying to divulge secrets?????
Is Pinocchio a Mystery?????

Yes like everything in the world the illuminati is divided by good people and bad people. the ones who want to bring us towards a Golden Age are thankfully starting to win.

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Well, I think it's fairly obvious that the one currently in power are NOT the "good" guys.

Originally posted by dron020
Yes like everything in the world the illuminati is divided by good people and bad people. the ones who want to bring us towards a Golden Age are thankfully starting to win.

True. It will happen. we may have to go through "hell" to get to "heaven," but it will happen.