New Film Shows "Human Side" of 911 Bastards

Originally posted by s13guy

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if yourself or anybody on ATS turned out to be a deadly international terrorist. I mean that's what this movie seems to prove - anybody can be a killer.

thats the kind of political correctness stupidity im talking about, that everyone is as likely to hijack a plane.

Exactly! Everyday people are not as likely to hijack a plane as an Islamic fundamentalist. Why can't people see that? If there are 100 people boarding a plane, and there are 5 Arabic people with beards, I am sorry - but those should be the first 5 searched. It sucks, but it is simple common sense. Just like old women and little children should not be searched (as I have seen many times in my travel).

The main thing that pisses me off about this film though is that IT WAS PAID FOR WITH THE PUBLICS MONEY. If someone goes out and wants to make this movie, then fine. Get private investors - but don't take anyones tax dollars and force them to pay for it!

Originally posted by keholmes

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
So you don't believe in the equality of humans?

You think some people are born bad and some born good, namely yourself?

actually sweat if some are born good and some born bad then they wouldn�t be equal.......

Exactly my point...

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Exactly! Everyday people are not as likely to hijack a plane as an Islamic fundamentalist. Why can't people see that? If there are 100 people boarding a plane, and there are 5 Arabic people with beards, I am sorry - but those should be the first 5 searched. It sucks, but it is simple common sense. Just like old women and little children should not be searched (as I have seen many times in my travel).

The main thing that pisses me off about this film though is that IT WAS PAID FOR WITH THE PUBLICS MONEY. If someone goes out and wants to make this movie, then fine. Get private investors - but don't take anyones tax dollars and force them to pay for it!

What is "everyday people?" Who are we to define what everyday people are?

We are NOT all capable of being terrorists, bloody hell ? i cant believe that a previous thread some one said that !!!!
And we are NOT all human ..terrorists are animals, no ifs or buts or ah they loved their families and they were good to their kids kind of s**t, i dont want to know or hear how someone who gets on a plane , sits in a car, on a train or walks into a coffe shop with a bloody box of semtex strapped to his C**k was a nice man before he become a terrorist!!
i dont want to hear how the so-called black widow women terrorist from chechnya are drugged (supposedly) before they go on a suicide mission, these animals are terrorists pure and simple, surely some of these animals have familes ,children WTF do these animals think when they are boarding a plane? ''oh look at that small child there with his parents ,, looks like me and my family on a daytrip, oh well back to business im gonna blow them up !!! COME ON PEOPLE..WAKE UP!!!!
THESE ARE ANIMALS!!


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sweat do you believe everyone is as likely to hijack a plane?

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by keholmes

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
So you don't believe in the equality of humans?

You think some people are born bad and some born good, namely yourself?

actually sweat if some are born good and some born bad then they wouldn�t be equal.......

Exactly my point...

Just wanted to make certain�so how do you explain the differences between man and woman. The whole mars venus thing, men and women think differently, act, etc....

Originally posted by s13guy
sweat do you believe everyone is as likely to hijack a plane?

Likely is the wrong word. Potential is the right word.

I know it isn't your belief, but guess what, all people are equal. There is no such thing as "good" human and an "animal" human. We all start from the same place.

I had a friend once who effectively ended our friendship by trying to extort easy cash from me. He failed, but goodbye to our friendship. Kinda shocking, because at one point, he was a good man. He wasn't a money-grubber from the start, you know.

Such is the unpredictability of life. In about ten minutes, one of us on ATS could experience something terrible that changes our persona and we could go on a Charles Manson-esque murdering rampage. Don't even try to say he was born a murderer from the start.

It's not something easy to swallow. We all want to believe that we are superior to other people, but guess what, we're not. Nobody is. People will do bad things, it's just a matter of how and why.

Osuma bin Laden is a scary man, no doubt. Charles Manson was a scary man. But at some point in their lives, they were probably good people, even for one minute. That's what is most scary. The most despicable of humans was probably one of the best humans at one point.

So come on! Bring on the flamers and know-it-alls!

[edit on 11-9-2004 by sweatmonicaIdo]

Originally posted by keholmes
Just wanted to make certain�so how do you explain the differences between man and woman. The whole mars venus thing, men and women think differently, act, etc....

What's your point?

THIS "FILM" IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF INSANE LIBERAL MINDSET THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE FREE WORLD IS NEVER RID OF TERRORISTS

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
What's your point?

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I know it isn't your belief, but guess what, all people are equal. There is no such thing as "good" human and an "animal" human. We all start from the same place.

I had a friend once who effectively ended our friendship by trying to extort easy cash from me. He failed, but goodbye to our friendship. Kinda shocking, because at one point, he was a good man. He wasn't a money-grubber from the start, you know.

Such is the unpredictability of life. In about ten minutes, one of us on ATS could experience something terrible that changes our persona and we could go on a Charles Manson-esque murdering rampage. Don't even try to say he was born a murderer from the start.

It's not something easy to swallow. We all want to believe that we are superior to other people, but guess what, we're not. Nobody is. People will do bad things, it's just a matter of how and why.

Osuma bin Laden is a scary man, no doubt. Charles Manson was a scary man. But at some point in their lives, they were probably good people, even for one minute. That's what is most scary. The most despicable of humans was probably one of the best humans at one point.

My point being that you story while sad�doesn�t proof your deduction�while we all come from the same place in a simplistic way of saying things. We don�t arrive at the same place. Beyond the fact that certain people are predisposed to things that other people are not by genetics; too argue that the average reaction of people from one nation would match the average reaction of people from another nation is well patently false. Although we simplistically speaking came from the same place, we obviously didn�t arrive at the same place.

Furthermore why not even try to say he was born to be a murderer�.do you dispute the fact that people are wired different from birth, if they aren�t why the deviance with IQ. What to your mind is so unbelievable that despite the fact that people are predisposed to certain diseases they are impervious to genetic effect to behavior�..even in the face of the absolute certain fact that some people are predisposed to mental illness that most certainly affects their behaviour. and are you saying that Charlie while lookin good is somehow sane....have you started praying to him yet because if he is sane then he is jesus.


[edit on 11-9-2004 by keholmes]

Originally posted by deevee
HBO wisely passed on the film which the Guardian called "brilliant" (that should tell you something)

Ditto to HBO's management. Anybody that would even consider to try to portray these villians into "normal people", has got to be a villian themselves.

note to CBC- other humans who probably occasionally showed humanity and might make for a good story- Pol Pot, Stalin, Mussolini, Ersabet Bathory, Vlad the Impaler, Ted Bundy, Joseph Mengele, Idi Amin, John Wayne Gacy, Robespierre, Ossama bin Laden, Andre Chikilto, Bokassa, Ceaucescu, Koko the Gorilla

The list goes on of vicious, monsters in the form of a human. Dalmer, Himmler, Napolean, Nero, Michael Peterson... there's a whole slew of them.

[edit on 11/9/04 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by LordofLard
............- it simply told a story.

............

that's the point who's story did it tell?

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by s13guy
sweat do you believe everyone is as likely to hijack a plane?

Likely is the wrong word. Potential is the right word.

So, what you're saying is that you have the potential to hijack aplane and fly it into a building, killing eveyone one board and people in the building?

I had a friend once who effectively ended our friendship by trying to extort easy cash from me. He failed, but goodbye to our friendship. Kinda shocking, because at one point, he was a good man. He wasn't a money-grubber from the start, you know.

He undoubtedly had ill intents that hadn't surfaced.

Such is the unpredictability of life. In about ten minutes, one of us on ATS could experience something terrible that changes our persona and we could go on a Charles Manson-esque murdering rampage. Don't even try to say he was born a murderer from the start.

Charles Manson was born a psychopath and he'll die one. It's in his genes. He'll never be a normal person

It's not something easy to swallow. We all want to believe that we are superior to other people, but guess what, we're not. Nobody is. People will do bad things, it's just a matter of how and why.

We're all sinners, but that doesn't justify going out and committing murder.

Osuma bin Laden is a scary man, no doubt. Charles Manson was a scary man. But at some point in their lives, they were probably good people, even for one minute. That's what is most scary. The most despicable of humans was probably one of the best humans at one point.

I believe it has always been in them to succumb to evil ways. As all those who commit atrocities against their fellow humans.



[edit on 11/9/04 by Intelearthling]

I feel pity for those in denial.

It's this denial that can lead people to do bad things. You can tell it's so when they're in the courtroom and say "I didn't know what I was doing."

Of course you didn't. Because you never thought you could do the things you just did!

Intelearthling,

So tell us this. Are you saying that YOU are incapable of committing an atrocity to another human being?

Can you honestly tell us that there is a 0 out of 1,000,000 chance that you will commit what you call an "atrocity" to another human?

[edit on 11-9-2004 by sweatmonicaIdo]

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
So you don't believe in the equality of humans?

In regards to race, ethnicity, gender, etc.? Of course.

Morally? No. Is a serial killer equal to a doctor? Is a child molestor equal to a teacher? Is a con artist equal to a philanthropist? No way. If you hurt or kill people, you are not equal to others who help people or at least mind their own business (though they may be a$$holes for not helping people, at least they aren't going around hurting people either).

IMO, you lose your right to be considered a full member of humanity when you go around killing people indiscriminantly (especially children!) because the world isn't the way you think it should be. Selfishness without conscience... that is the definition of evil, which is what murderers and terrorists are.

So, what you're saying is that you have the potential to hijack aplane and fly it into a building, killing eveyone one board and people in the building?

Given the right circumstances, everyone can potentialy become a killer.
I have lived through the war in Bosnia, I've seen it happen, personaly. People who wouldn't hurt a fly, became cold blooded killers. Orthodox christians and catholics murdered 200,000 people, their NEIGHBOURS, people they had barbecue with on sunday, their children went to school together. Not all those killers were killers from the very begining of their lifes. They BECAME killers, because everyone around them was killing and their leader said it's ok to kill.

Or how about if all you've seen from early childhood is death, war and murder? Would you be able to feel compassion?

Before those who only see black and white start bitching how this is a justification for murder, it isn't. There is a HUGE difference between explanation and justification.

Originally posted by ThunderCloud
Morally? No. Is a serial killer equal to a doctor? Is a child molestor equal to a teacher? Is a con artist equal to a philanthropist? No way. If you hurt or kill people, you are not equal to others who help people or at least mind their own business (though they may be a$$holes for not helping people, at least they aren't going around hurting people either).

Did you know there have been serial killers that have been doctors? Did you know child molesters are often found to be teachers?

And did you know that serial killers have their roots, just like doctors?

This is what is so wrong. Instead of FIXING the problem, we're trying to distance ourselves from the problem. You can never fix the problem by isolating into groups. Why? Because one wrong move and that well-respected doctor or teacher would probably shoot somebody in the head.

Originally posted by paperclip

So, what you're saying is that you have the potential to hijack aplane and fly it into a building, killing eveyone one board and people in the building?

Given the right circumstances, everyone can potentialy become a killer.
I have lived through the war in Bosnia, I've seen it happen, personaly. People who wouldn't hurt a fly, became cold blooded killers. Orthodox christians and catholics murdered 200,000 people, their NEIGHBOURS, people they had barbecue with on sunday, their children went to school together. Not all those killers were killers from the very begining of their lifes. They BECAME killers, because everyone around them was killing and their leader said it's ok to kill.

Or how about if all you've seen from early childhood is death, war and murder? Would you be able to feel compassion?

Before those who only see black and white start bitching how this is a justification for murder, it isn't. There is a HUGE difference between explanation and justification.

You said it better than me.

It's all about upbringing. Raise someone the right way in the right environment and they're good people. After all, why do murderers usually have a bad history?

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I feel pity for those in denial.

It's this denial that can lead people to do bad things. You can tell it's so when they're in the courtroom and say "I didn't know what I was doing."

Of course you didn't. Because you never thought you could do the things you just did!

And I for those who deny fact, reason and logic, for those are the people that you see saying I did not know what I was doing. To think that you are just at the whim of events and have no hope to resist in all probability predisposes you to exactly what you propose.