New Film Shows "Human Side" of 911 Bastards

A British/Canadian co-production called "The Hamburg Cell" has won rave reviews at the Edinburgh Film Festival thestar.com.my.../2004/9/9/world/8854516&sec=world
and is set to air on Canadian television this fall. HBO wisely passed on the film which the Guardian called "brilliant" (that should tell you something)

I haven't seen the film so I can't and won't comment on it specifically, what I will comment on is the "brilliance" in showing the "human" side of Messrs. Atta et al.

Yes these are, as the film makers tell us, real people with real lives, hopes, loves and dreams. So?????

Ivan the Terrible wept for days and never got over slaying his own son in a fit of anger. I don't feel for him.

Hitler loved animals and (Aryan) orphans. Aaaaaw, thats nice.

The demonization of the enemy is often brought up by the left as a vicious and flawed circle and in MOST cases this is true. In Atta and co. it is NOT. They are scum. I don't care if they kiss mamma goodbye before going out to do Allah's work. They NEED to be demonized because they are evil!!

Artsy Fartsy equivocation knows no bounds and usually I say "whatever"
but my tax dollars have gone into funding something that is just plain wrong.


note to CBC- other humans who probably occasionally showed humanity and might make for a good story- Pol Pot, Stalin, Mussolini, Ersabet Bathory, Vlad the Impaler, Ted Bundy, Joseph Mengele, Idi Amin, John Wayne Gacy, Robespierre, Ossama bin Laden, Andre Chikilto, Bokassa, Ceaucescu, Koko the Gorilla

I couldn't agree with you more

Tax dollars going to creat sympothy for mass murderers and terrorists - what has this world come to?

Tell me, why create sympathy for anybody?

I think we're all deserving of garbage. I mean, it could've been one of us hijacking that plane. Scary thought.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Tell me, why create sympathy for anybody?

I think we're all deserving of garbage. I mean, it could've been one of us hijacking that plane. Scary thought.

WOW! You have some self esteem issues.

It's just presenting their point of view, it's not meant to be agreed with. Ever watch "Natural Born Killers"? Or that movie, I forget the name, that showed the last days of Hitler in the bunker? It's fascinating to watch, to learn, how sick killers think. Don't you want to know why someone would want to do what they did? What they were thinking, feeling? How could anyone do such a thing? Or would you just prefer, "They hate our freedom"? Maybe Ted Bundy loved kittens, but I wonder what was going through his mind?

Yeah I hear you, that's why I was careful not to diss the film. I personally know all about the evil bastards that I mentioned in my postscript because I do have a fascination with knowing what these freakshows think.

It was mainly the responses of the left wing media that got to me, It wasn't "a fascinating insight into the mind of a terrorist" stuff, it was "these guys are people too" crap that got me.

Our "understanding" shouldn't be the "Oprah" kind it should be the "forensic psychiatrist" kind.

It might just be a lot more useful waiting until you have seen the film before making up your mind as to what it is all about?

Otherwise imagine away.......

I'm with pinky on this subject, but I do agree that you need to look at other points of view to understand the event as a whole.

For some people it's to fresh or too close to home and I can understand their anger.

Just wondering are we going to get to see it in the US or do we have to buy tapes or DVD's from Canada?

I think that the "human" side of 9/11 hijackers is exactly what we need to see. It makes it even more horrifying. Think about that.
A guy lives a normal life, drinks coffee with neighbours, talks about the weather, feels sorry for a hurt dog, but then one morning he just wakes up and goes to kill 3,000 people. He had that in his head, the thought of killing, the whole time he was acting "normal". That is a very dark part of human mind, and you would be surprised just how many of us have that side.

Some feel compassion for certain group of people, but then offer a "final solution" for another group, something like "nuke them all", without even blinking, not a single thought of compassion for millions of innocent people who would die if we nuked somebody. People say it like it is an everyday thing. Would these people act if they had an opportunity?

This movie should be a briliant insight into mind of psychotic killers and into our own dark sides.

this movie will only perpetuate even more political correctness, something which we don't need clouding our common sense.

Originally posted by s13guy
this movie will only perpetuate even more political correctness, something which we don't need clouding our common sense.

- Since when was knowing as much of the whole truth about the enemy as possible not a good thing?

Since when was ignorance better?

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- Since when was knowing as much of the whole truth about the enemy as possible not a good thing?

Since when was ignorance better?

And you suppose that some writer somehow has the pulse of the terrorist community at large�.or did he do some channeling and ask them. The only whole truth you will get to know a little better is what some touchy feely writer thinks they were thinking. Look back at the philosophy of the terrorists and the only thing you need to know; is they believe that after killing a few women and children they are going to be rewarded with 72 hookers waiting at the gates of hell for them.

I saw this show- it was on the UK's Ch4 10 days ago. It was very matter of fact- it did not sympathise or glamarise- it simply told a story.

I thought it was well put together- it was not 'PC' at all.

in reading this thread, one name & thought sprung to mind - nelson mandela.

is there no line drawn anymore between 'freedom fighter' & terrorist'?

it is all well & good to say that what they did was bad/evil but something drove them to do what they did - history is full of those who have done terrible things for what they have believed to be 'right'

Originally posted by justyc
in reading this thread, one name & thought sprung to mind - nelson mandela.

is there no line drawn anymore between 'freedom fighter' & terrorist'?

it is all well & good to say that what they did was bad/evil but something drove them to do what they did - history is full of those who have done terrible things for what they have believed to be 'right'

You almost have a point expect nelson mandela didnt crash planes into skyscrapers. The flim isnt such a bad idea if it helps us understand the way the terrorists think and what there motivation is. Another part of me wants to show them my human side and what I think of them (but lets not go there.)

this film will just give off the idea that just about anyone is equally likely of hijacking a plane, which is absurd. I shook my head when Al Gore was stopped going through the airport. That's what I'm talking about. When they're stopping Al Gore, I mean, he was two electoral votes from being president, but he might be the terrorist? And they gave him the full search, including the anal cavity search, and they found his head.

[edit on 9/11/2004 by s13guy]

Originally posted by deevee

WOW! You have some self esteem issues.

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No, it's the truth.

In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if yourself or anybody on ATS turned out to be a deadly international terrorist. I mean that's what this movie seems to prove - anybody can be a killer.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if yourself or anybody on ATS turned out to be a deadly international terrorist. I mean that's what this movie seems to prove - anybody can be a killer.

thats the kind of political correctness stupidity im talking about, that everyone is as likely to hijack a plane.

Originally posted by s13guy
thats the kind of political correctness stupidity im talking about, that everyone is as likely to hijack a plane.

So you don't believe in the equality of humans?

You think some people are born bad and some born good, namely yourself?

It's your kind of thinking that causes terrorist attacks in the first place. You think only certain people can do it, so you protect only against them, just waiting for an attack to come from a place you least expected.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
So you don't believe in the equality of humans?

You think some people are born bad and some born good, namely yourself?

actually sweat if some are born good and some born bad then they wouldn�t be equal.......