Disappeared under NDAA? This is what will happen to you

Warning : this thread deals with hardcore stuff. If you cannot deal with it, don't read it...


First of all, let's make it clear ONCE AGAIN since a bunch of people are still denying the fact that the NDAA affects US citizens :

From the NY Times :
Guantánamo Forever?

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past.

And now what will (at least some of it) happen to you when you get arrested for BS reason by the fascist US government :

If you haven't see The Road To Guantanamo for the ``soft version`` of what's gonna happen to you :
The Road to Guantanamo

You can even watch it on Youtube :

Part 1 of 10 :


Then for the ``real stuff`` :
Former Gitmo Guard Tells All

Neely describes the arrival of detainees in full sensory-deprivation garb, he details their sexual abuse by medical personnel, torture by other medical personnel, brutal beatings out of frustration, fear, and retribution, the first hunger strike and its causes, torturous shackling, positional torture, interference with religious practices and beliefs, verbal abuse, restriction of recreation, the behavior of mentally ill detainees, an isolation regime that was put in place for child-detainees, and his conversations with prisoners David Hicks and Rhuhel Ahmed. It makes for fascinating reading.

Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

US doctors 'hid signs of torture' at Guantanamo

Most people at Guantanamo were never terrorists. Out of hundreds of people that went there, they only got a handful of convictions. Guantanamo ain't the only ``camp`` out there.

FEMA Camps Going Live in All 50 States

This Secret CIA 'Interrogation' Prison Sat Undetected In Northern Bucharest For Years

Once there, prisoners were put in cells built on springs to instill disorientation, each fitted with an arrow pointing to Mecca.

Though the CIA failed to comment, The AP story reveals that in the first month of detention inmates were derived sleep, soaked with water, beaten, and forced to remain in painful positions.

This is what will happen to you (at least parts of it) if you're disappeared under the NDAA and this is why the government must not get away with it.

reply to post by Vitchilo


Is the New York Times a good enough source for you?

I wonder how people can doubt that this is a reality now that such a source comes forward and says it in such plain words...

Edit to add: I must state that this is, of course an opinion page. I must reiterate however, that such things don't get published by the NY Times without adamant editorial oversight.

we deserve what we get, because this should have all ended with WACO

This is what will happen to you (at least parts of it) if you're disappeared under the NDAA and this is why the government must not get away with it.

Awesome research and I agree but is anyone going to do anything constructive about about it? The choir here should be somewhat aware of NDAA s1867, it's time to get these thoughts to the non-conspiracy buffs

Apparently we have a destiny to fulfill.
The people have been warned which is more than fair.
It has fallen on deaf ears.
Let the games begin.

Add to your list secret Law Enforcement Reaper Drone bases in Nevada, and elsewhere.

Also add militarization of local law enforcement, heavy weapons, machine guns, tanks, armored vehicles, and those drones. It violates the constitution to put soldiers in our neighborhoods, but they are turning police into soldiers.

In America, Obama can now make you 'disappear' like in the USSR or North Korea.

In America, Obama can now make military moves against American crowds like in Syria or Libya.

I would just like to add for all the Obama-bots out there. . . .

Next year we may have a new president.
A republican!

Would you want a republican with these same powers and controls?

(cue dramatic music)

reply to post by Phayte
it is HR1540 S1867 was the senate bill HR 1540 is the NDAA 2012 as seen here has not become signed yet still pending www.whitehouse.gov... with the new T&C 19 I should point out I am in now way, shape, or form connected to affiliated with or employed by the white house or the US gov.

reply to post by bekod


Actually yes it's law.

President Obama has signed the defense authorization bill that funds Pentagon operations,

reply to post by Vitchilo
that is for 2011the new one HR1540 that has the dreaded SUB SEC D 1031 1032 er 1021 1022 , has not, please check your facts!!! This is to important to get muddle with false "yes it is law" and "no it died" posts go to the source when in doubt www.whitehouse.gov... from the link

Pending Legislation
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Posted on December 23, 2011
H.R. 2056 - Insured Depository Institution Failures
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H.R. 1801 - Risk-Based Security Screening for Members of The Armed Forces Act
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H.R. 1059 - Redacting in Judges Financial Disclosure Reports
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H.R. 515 - Belarus Democracy Reauthorization Act of 2011
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Posted on December 23, 2011
H.R. 2422 -Sergeant Angel Mendez Post Office, Staten Island, New York
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H.R. 1264 - M.D. Anderson Plaza, Jackson, Tennessee
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Posted on December 23, 2011
H.R. 789 - Sergeant Matthew J. Fenton Post Office, Little Ferry, New Jersey
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Posted on December 23, 2011
H.R. 1892 - Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
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Posted on December 23, 2011
H.R. 2845 - Pipeline Safety, Regulatory Certainty, and Job Creation Act of 2011
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Posted on December 21, 2011
H.R. 1540 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
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it is in bold so as not to miss it.

reply to post by bekod


I think you are right, the link I posted is BS apparently...

Anyway, you do know it's December 28 and notice they haven't updated their website since December 23 right?

And, for the sake of argument, let's say Obama DIDN'T sign it...

Doesn't matter, it is now law since any law passed by congress becomes law automatically after 10 days even with no signature on it.

The bill's finale vote was on December 15. We are now December 28. It is now law.

Alternately, the President can sit on the bill, taking no action on it at all. If the President takes no action at all, and ten days passes (not including Sundays), the bill becomes law without the President's signature. However, if the Congress has adjourned before the ten days passes and without a Presidential signature, the bill fails. This is known as a pocket veto.

December 27 was the 10th day.

reply to post by Vitchilo
i did not know that, but yes the site from the white house is is up dated , you can check my profile to verify this, ever day I check to see if has been signed, the one giving it the funding has passed HR 2055? I think it was, It is in one of the many post I make on this HR1540, for it will be the death of this nation, just the writing on the wall as I see it, you do not need to be a math expert to know 2+2 =4

reply to post by Vitchilo
is this not called the law by not signing it as seen here www.loc.gov... the link

The growing use of signing statements has attracted the attention of Congress: the 110th Congress witnessed the introduction of a House Bill (H.R. 264) intended to restrain the President's use of signing statements in general, as well as a Senate Resolution (S. Res. 22) explicitly rejecting particular interpretations of the President's signing statement for Public Law 109-435.

Obama said he would use a signing statement, on HR 1540, this was on the 20th 21st? Of Dec

reply to post by bekod


Well either he signed it in secret or he didn't sign it and he won't be able to use a signing statement since it's already law... or they'll just disregard the constitution, and Obama will sign it after it's become law to put a signing statement on it.

Anyway, we'll see in the next few days...

reply to post by Vitchilo
technically he has till the 2nd of Jan to sign it holidays and Sundays excluded and yes it was HR 2055 2012 that give HR 1540 the funding it was signed on the 23 www.whitehouse.gov...

It's mind boggling that people still refuse to see what's going on in spite of being repeatedly shown the picture on the box and how all the pieces fit together.

It's also mind boggling that we haven't put a stop to it yet.

It's all going down. Right now.

We were warned.

reply to post by this_is_who_we_are
you do see the [Submit a comment] on the bill do you not , this is your chance to say your part, do not know if it gets read by any one, is it there just for show?

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
It's mind boggling that people still refuse to see what's going on in spite of being repeatedly shown the picture on the box and how all the pieces fit together.

It's also mind boggling that we haven't put a stop to it yet.

It's all going down. Right now.

We were warned.

edit on 12/28/2011 by this_is_who_we_are because: typo

I cannot agree more. It's like even the people who know have grown so comfortable that they don't think it could happen.. now? It's now a matter of when.

When are we going to stop them before this happens?

I regrettably see a civil war, it's been back building for long time, and the US government wont like it when 309 million people are beating at your door armed to the core! If there are militia states start forming spread the word to join, Lay down your Xbox controller and open your eyes to reality.

I was reading a brilliant thread which had hardly no attention at all called Terrorist - The Word - The meaning, and the thread states that the word terrorist was, in its original meaning, a Jacobin leader who ruled France during la Terreur.

The Jacobins shared a defining ideological feature. They divided the world between pro- and anti-Revolutionaries — the defenders of liberty versus its enemies. The French Revolution, as they understood it, was the great event that would determine whether liberty was to prevail on the planet or whether the world would fall back into tyranny and despotism.

Source

Basically the word terrorist was used to describe those who hate freedom. But now it's used all over and in different context for means that don't make sense, unless your the person calling the victim a 'terrorist'

In his televised "Meet the Press" interview Feb. 8, President George W. Bush was never asked a question about "terrorism." Yet he used the word (or a variant) 22 times. The word explained, and justified, everything - past, present and future. Few American politicians or commentators dare to question the conventional wisdom that "terrorism" is the greatest threat facing America and the world. If so, the real threat lies not in the behavior to which this word is applied but in the word itself. It is no accident that there is no agreed definition of terrorism, since the word is so subjective as to be devoid of any inherent meaning. At the same time, the word is extremely dangerous, because people tend to believe that it does have meaning, and they use and abuse it by applying it to whatever they hate as a way of avoiding rational thought and discussion and, frequently, excusing their own illegal and immoral behavior.

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I think our leaders, especially the Americans are trying to adapt this word into every crime that exists, not just your stereotype terrorist wearing a back pack and a dressing gown - they are taking the word so far our of context that it will adapt to every thing they think goes against what they want. . You stock up food? TERRORIST You oppose what we're teaching you? TERRORIST. You download illegally? TERRORIST. You dont pay your tax? TERRORIST.

White House Calls Use of the Word ‘Terrorists’ to Describe Tea Partyers ‘Inappropriate’ and ‘the Product of An Emotional Discussion’

You TERRORIST'S!!!! And you dont even know it. .But now:

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past.

We do something they dont want, then thats classed as participating in terrorism, and we will get sent to prison without trial.

We're on a very very fkd up path at the moment. American citizens need to stand up and set an example, once you change - you start the foundations of revolution.

The only reason this is happening, is because you'r letting it happen. Stand back up from the bent over position, take the dildo out ur ass and stop letting them fk you.