History of Palestine

Hello there.

As a normal human beeing I also try understand how we came to be in this sad state of affairs.

And of course, history plays an important role in grasping the complexity of the situation as long as it hasn't been altered beyond repair.

Since we have a few people that also seem interested in this, I'm gonna ask a few details if you don't mind.
Sometime ago, I watched a doc on TV about the history of the Exodus ship, 1947. And that doc, if I remember right, stated that the operation was funded by the Rothschilds.
They put the lives of over 4500 people at risk for the potential media benefits. The pictures of course were terrible and left me with the idea that there were two types of jews actually. The poor ones that were used by the more savvy caste. But now, I'm having troubles finding documentation about how the Rothschilds funded this kind of ops, and groups that were considered terrorists at the time like Haganah, and the precursor of the Mossad.

In these searches, I stumbled on this site and ask you if you think the info there is credible enough.
www.bollyn.com...

The first pic from an Einstein letter of course is Golden and I wonder why we don't see more stuff like that coming from such a personality.

Originally posted by ghash
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Hahaha, honestly? I was condemned by the other poster because I'm not arguing against this?
Wait so let me get this correctly the first time, God is a real estate agent which somehow enabled and allowed the Jews to kick out the Palestinians, so they can take what is rightfully theirs, because they are God's chosen people?
So God is a racist? And pro-Zionist?

Cool.

edit on 25/12/11 by ghash because: (no reason given)

No, he is not a racist, but that land is not the palestinians to take. All the earth belongs to him and he may give it to whom he chooses or take it from them if he so wishes. If you don't know History, the Arabs sent 5 nations after the Israelites to drive them out of Israel in 1967 and they got beaten down hardcore and not one Israeli soldier died in that conflict, not only did Israel win that fight against 5 arab nations they won that war and then retook some lost real-estate. God revealed himself in that week. If you try to take that land from them it will be a bloodbath and it will be whoever that goes against them that gets slaughtered.

In the interest of survival, if i were and arab i'd vacate that area because that is one 200 mile stretch of land that has an incredible ability to get people killed and they really do not want to see God when he is pissed off, i can promise you it wouldn't be an enjoyable experience.

reply to post by ghash


This thread is now a microcosm of the entire problem we see in the Middle East.

Much like the current reality of the Palestine/Israel problem, we see both sides adamantly entrenched in their positions and beliefs, without any hope of compromise.

You will all certainly lead the ENTIRE world into war again.

We will ALL suffer for this.

STUPID HUMANS!

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Yes, if God is in this context refers to the British then that is half-correct.
Arab armies amounted 68,000 soldiers while Israeli soldiers amounted to 90,000.
While the Israeli army was British trained, and empowered by foreign aid and weapons by the US and UK, the rest of the armies were not. Except for the Jordanian army, which was also British trained.

"Ben-Gurion made serious efforts, shortly before the
United Nations vote on the Partition proposal, to seek the neutrality of King Abdullah of Transjordan, whose British trained and officered army, the
Arab Legion, was the STRONGEST fighting
force in the Middle East. The king had long been at loggerheads
with Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, for the moral leadership
of the Arabs of the whole region. Abdullah's secret interlocutor was to be
Golda Meir:"' ...... He [King
Abudullah] soon made the heart of the
matter clear: he would not join in any Arab attack on us. He would always
remain our friend, he said, and like us,
he wanted peace more than anything else. After all, we had a common foe, the
Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini.'"(Israel:
A History, p.149-150)

So yeah, and here I'm referring to the 1948 war.
As for the fatalities:

** The number of Israelis killed while fighting the Arab Legion 1,367; the
Palestinians, 1,092; the Egyptians, 910; the Syrians, 238; the Iraqis, 241;
the Lebanese 129; Qawukji' ALA, 336, the British 30.

If you believe in a God that actually advocates for stealing another people's country who have lived there for 1400 years or so, generation upon generation, and also the killing of everyone who stands in the way of the Zionists; then by all means, you are simply a fantastic person and the "God" you seem to have formulated in your mind is one which will lead to the peril of everyone.

Ben Gurion:
"The Arab people have been beaten by us. Will they forget
it quickly? Seven hundred thousand people beat 30 million. Will they forget this
offense? It can be assumed that they have a sense of honor. We will make peace
efforts, but two sides are necessary for peace. Is there any security that
they will not want to take revenge? Let us recognize the truth: we won not
because we performed wonders, but because the Arab army is rotten. Must this
rottenness persist forever? The situation in the world beckons towards revenge:
there are two blocs; there is fear of world war. This tempts anyone with a grievance. We will always require a superior defensive capability." (Simha
Flapan, p. 238)

reply to post by tvtexan


You are correct in regards to how humanity has panned out to be.
But you are extremely incorrect in regards to if you expect the Palestinians to simply give up THEIR land (97% of that land was theirs in 1947), to an aggressor and enemy of humanity (not the Jews, the Modern State of Israel).
You can liken it to a new neighbour who has just moved in, kicked out everyone and killed most of the people living there, and then crying out wolf whenever the inhabitants try to get their neighbourhood back.

here is an answer I read in yahoo about early jewish expulsion...

In the year 135 CE, the Romans decided to evict the vast majority of Jews living in the province of Judea, after the Bar Kochba Revolt. The province had seen many insurrections ever since the Romans took over. First with the Sicarii Zealots assassinating many Romans and Roman collaborators, which then built up to the Jewish War form 66 CE to 70CE, and then the Bar Kochba Revolt 65 years later. Rome decided they had enough, so they kicked out most of the Jewish population, and then renamed the province "Syria Palestina" from which we get the word "Palestine" The Romans got the name form the ancient and long extinct enemy of the Jews, the Philistines. They also changed the name of Jerusalem to "Aelia Capitolina"

Some Jews were allowed to remain, but they were in the minority.

there was an earlier expulsion of Jews from Israel in the 6th Century BCE when the Babylonians conquered the region. Most were allowed to return shortly after the Persians conquered the Babylonians. Some did remain in Mesopatamia and Persia, and a few remain there today.

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If this is truly the case then genetic and historical experts should invest some time in finding lineages to israel to see exactly what a real jew consists of.... genetically. there is a good chance that many of them simply absorbed into surrounded regions and the minority who was allowed to remain mingled in with new inhabitants perhaps... perhaps true jews are actually within Palestinian family lines. It may not be important to some but it would establish wether or not modern day jews and jews who in the last century immigrated to israel were really related to the early jews who were thrown out under the romans. are they connected a all or not??? that is a question many want to know because the conspiracy illustrates that these new jews were not jews at all but were sent in and with them those interested in territorial control.... a guise among the refugees. Of all places why send refugees there.... unless they were ABSOLUTELY proven jews with some early entitlement within their lineage?

that is the conspiracy that geneticists could solve for us!

It would show the true intention of invading this area for what it has to offer anyone involved.

This question can't be avoided.... if it is answered it will show a true crime in history.... a true LARGE conspiracy that brought much bloodshed to the whole world. They did terrible things to the people they called the jews in order to make victims out of them.... to exile them, to have a cover to infiltrate and express control.

If it can be proven the other way... that these people were genetically connected to early exiles, then perhaps some entitlement should be observed.... but Palestine and Israel are just names. early jews may indeed have lines among modern Palestinians.

How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

A fool and his words are soon departed.

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Not really. Jesus said "if you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword", he was an advocate for peace, he'd condemn the stuff that goes on nowadays.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by ghash
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Hahaha, honestly? I was condemned by the other poster because I'm not arguing against this?
Wait so let me get this correctly the first time, God is a real estate agent which somehow enabled and allowed the Jews to kick out the Palestinians, so they can take what is rightfully theirs, because they are God's chosen people?
So God is a racist? And pro-Zionist?

Cool.

edit on 25/12/11 by ghash because: (no reason given)

No, he is not a racist, but that land is not the palestinians to take. All the earth belongs to him and he may give it to whom he chooses or take it from them if he so wishes. If you don't know History, the Arabs sent 5 nations after the Israelites to drive them out of Israel in 1967 and they got beaten down hardcore and not one Israeli soldier died in that conflict, not only did Israel win that fight against 5 arab nations they won that war and then retook some lost real-estate. God revealed himself in that week. If you try to take that land from them it will be a bloodbath and it will be whoever that goes against them that gets slaughtered.

In the interest of survival, if i were and arab i'd vacate that area because that is one 200 mile stretch of land that has an incredible ability to get people killed and they really do not want to see God when he is pissed off, i can promise you it wouldn't be an enjoyable experience.

These white Caucasian people called jews are not. They are Ashkenazi jews from Kazaria ,modern day Georgia. Converted to judaism in 700ad. By the 13 century The mongols pushed these new jews to europe. The new-white-european jews started WWI to acquire palestine and created WWII with hitler to ignite a mass exodus of european jews to palestine. And the 6million dead jews is a massive exaggeration...(Note ,,there were very few sephardic jews in europe to begin with. Most left to the americas,mainly south, during late 15th century, thank you Spain).
Ashkenazi jews are not descendants of Abraham's seed.


You being tricked.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Not really. Jesus said "if you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword", he was an advocate for peace, he'd condemn the stuff that goes on nowadays.

Didnt he also say 'You shall not murder.' ?

"If you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword"

So according to that, it would be allright if Iran nuked Israel ?

You cant apply religious crap into todays politics.

Holy SNIP I just figured out how to solve this whole problem!

America should just bomb everyone in the middle east. Then they own everything.
Problem solved.

I think this is as good of a solution that anyone in this thread has offered.

Good job posters!
Your hatred has made the world a better place!
Good for you!

reply to post by BlackSatinDancer

If this is truly the case then genetic and historical experts should invest some time in finding lineages to israel to see exactly what a real jew consists of.... genetically. there is a good chance that many of them simply absorbed into surrounded regions and the minority who was allowed to remain mingled in with new inhabitants perhaps... perhaps true jews are actually within Palestinian family lines. It may not be important to some but it would establish wether or not modern day jews and jews who in the last century immigrated to israel were really related to the early jews who were thrown out under the romans. are they connected a all or not??? that is a question many want to know because the conspiracy illustrates that these new jews were not jews at all but were sent in and with them those interested in territorial control.... a guise among the refugees. Of all places why send refugees there.... unless they were ABSOLUTELY proven jews with some early entitlement within their lineage?

I suggested a similar idea back here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think maybe the Roman and Babylonian "invasions" and "expulsions" may have been economic.

We need to establish the accurate religious timelines, without prejudice.

The ancient merchant elites were present also.

reply to post by dilly1


I never said the ashkenazi were abraham's seed, i don't like the zionists anymore than you do.

Like i said above. That land is a blessing and a curse and it has an incredible ability to get people killed. Yeah i'd like to visit Jerusalem someday but it ain't happening, that ground is soaked in the blood of millions of people over the last 4000 years.

I'm not tied to that land, i'm not a hebrew or an arab, but if it was me? That land wouldn't be worth dying over.

Originally posted by Intrud3r

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Not really. Jesus said "if you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword", he was an advocate for peace, he'd condemn the stuff that goes on nowadays.

Didnt he also say 'You shall not murder.' ?

"If you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword"

So according to that, it would be allright if Iran nuked Israel ?

You cant apply religious crap into todays politics.

Yes you can and you should. If the entire world lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ there would be no war nor misery nor crime. The people who say his teachings are crap are the people ruling the world right now and look at the mess it is in. Look at the evil running rampant across this world, the murder, greed,avarice, lust, sexual immorality, pornography, hate, thievery, rape, abortion. See all of this godlessness? To hell with politics, politics is part of the problem not the solution.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by dilly1

 

I never said the ashkenazi were abraham's seed, i don't like the zionists anymore than you do.

Like i said above. That land is a blessing and a curse and it has an incredible ability to get people killed. Yeah i'd like to visit Jerusalem someday but it ain't happening, that ground is soaked in the blood of millions of people over the last 4000 years.

I'm not tied to that land, i'm not a hebrew or an arab, but if it was me? That land wouldn't be worth dying over.

So what your saying is Palestine is cursed because its the gate way for europe and asia? There are dozens of other regions that are soaked in blood much more than Palestine. Are those cursed too?

Its not the land, its the people. Its the fake european jews.

And most white jews are in the same boat as us. Its the 1% elite that do all the damage. There are many jews that hate the Zionist movement.

I just think your strong religious POV clouds your perception of the core problem in the " peaceful city".

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Not really. Jesus said "if you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword", he was an advocate for peace, he'd condemn the stuff that goes on nowadays.

Didnt he also say 'You shall not murder.' ?

"If you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword"

So according to that, it would be allright if Iran nuked Israel ?

You cant apply religious crap into todays politics.

Yes you can and you should. If the entire world lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ there would be no war nor misery nor crime. The people who say his teachings are crap are the people ruling the world right now and look at the mess it is in. Look at the evil running rampant across this world, the murder, greed,avarice, lust, sexual immorality, pornography, hate, thievery, rape, abortion. See all of this godlessness? To hell with politics, politics is part of the problem not the solution.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Intrud3r
How can anyone believe in a God that creates so much death,havoc and suffering ? Yeh, JC must be really proud of israelis using white phosphor.

Not really. Jesus said "if you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword", he was an advocate for peace, he'd condemn the stuff that goes on nowadays.

Didnt he also say 'You shall not murder.' ?

"If you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword"

So according to that, it would be allright if Iran nuked Israel ?

You cant apply religious crap into todays politics.

Yes you can and you should. If the entire world lived by the teachings of Jesus Christ there would be no war nor misery nor crime. The people who say his teachings are crap are the people ruling the world right now and look at the mess it is in. Look at the evil running rampant across this world, the murder, greed,avarice, lust, sexual immorality, pornography, hate, thievery, rape, abortion. See all of this godlessness? To hell with politics, politics is part of the problem not the solution.

Who are the people running this world saying jesus's teachings is crap?

Greed is mostly condoned by the Ashkenazi elite

Lust,sexual and pornography are mostly injected by Ashkenazi jews

But I do agree, politics is a massive problem

reply to post by HeavenWolf


What's really odd is that the Qur'an says the holy land belongs to the Jews; not to Muslims - i.e. followers of Mohammad, and not to Christians, but specifically to the Yehudim.

And yet here we are today, with very few Muslim theologians (barring a few Sadiqs, such as Sheik Abdul Hadi Palazzi) interpreting that Quranic narrative in a positive light for the Jews. Nope. They want to deny them everything; they want the complete extirpation of the "Jew", whether that be through assimilation or extermination.

This debate will go on ad infinitum, I'm sure of it, because at root, this issue is religious, and theological, despite the secular veneer of it all. The Muslims, like the Christians (and Hindus, Buddhists) on one side, with the Jews on the other, as Balaam poetically expresses in Numbers 23:9

The emotions on each side are much too great, and the history and tradition on both sides, too intense, for either side to capitulate, barring a miraculous display of loving-kindness, sparked by God knows what; but this is a pipe dream entertained by the politically ignorant. I would love for that to happen, but unfortunately, my head is twisted on right, I am in tune with reality, and I know how both sides think, and how the world as it is functions.

The only Zionists left are the eligious Jews in Israel today. Those supposed "extremists", attacked by posters like Vatchilo...Secular Zionism, conversely, is in its death throes, and those who survive it - those Jews who care to defend their right to Israel, for whatever inexplicable feeling, will necessarily draw closer to their Hebrew Torah, and to Israel's Rabbis, and so to a religious Zionism, as it was created to be, and meant to be, and paradoxically, despite it's secular political beginnings in the 1870''s, will one day become again. This is the only force powerful enough to fan the flames of Hebrew nationalism in defense against those who seek to destroy it - both from within and without the state of Israel (for instance, the liberal elite, 'post-zionist' secular-humanistic-socialist thinkers, who follow the drum beat of world opinion, especially the statements of the UN).

And a few posters here, bravo, corruptionexposed, regardless of what they say, are here to spread propaganda against Israel. I do not believe for a second - despite their clever tactics (and I will say corruption is more clever, and less overt, than bravo, who is lazy, and repetitive) that they are just average people; they are way too mechanical in their approach. They write like people who read activist literature, Saul Alinsky's 'rules for radicals' being their holy bible....And often, you will see corruption appealing to my own way of thinking, speaking just as I would speak, and this is exactly what Alinsky prescribes, and indeed, whats logically effective; if you want to change people's opinions, you have to camouflage yourself among them; be like them, talk like them, but subtly introduce ideas to sway their opinion in the direction you want.

A Palestinian people doesn't exist, as a real, and authentic nationality. It is a scheme by the Arabs to dispossess Israel from the Zionists. And an even further proof, of the ridiculous dogma of anti-zionism is, calling it racism. How come Zionism is racist - but not Palestinian nationalism? Even better; what the # is meaningful about Palestinian nationalism, verses Zionism - the movement by the Jewish people for a Jewish state? The objective - the land of Israel, united with the subjective, the Jewish people. Do we even consider the merit of the words we speak, or do we just experienced the emotionalism of public opinion? Palestinians are Arabs. Before 1947, they didn't exist, which is why Musa Alami famously said: "The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination" - the myth being nationalism. What were the people of Palestine fighting before? For ARAB nationalism....but not now - today they have their minds filled with a fictitious drama called a "palestinian people", and a "palestinian cause", supported by rejected liberals and socialists - leftists, and other crooked people with political agendas. Now, calmly compare this flimsy history with that of the Jews - 2000 years of wandering, nationless, and forced to live as second citizens in nations not their own. Herzl wrote the Jewish state because the myth of the 18th century was, after the Jews were 'emancipated' from the Ghetto, anti-semitism would disappear. But it didn't. It reappeared throughout the 18th and 19th century, from Russia to France. The Dreyfus affair tilt the table, and forced Herzl to acknowledge what needed to be acknowledged: the Jew can only survive if he lives in his own land. The only other alternative was conversion to Christianity - or dropping the title "Jew" altogether.

reply to post by dontreally


Its not about religion...jews want to make it about religion... It has to do with white europeans disguised as jews with a "grandfathered" hall pass to steel someone else's land. Never has any jew (referring to sephardic jews not fake ashkenazi jews) demanded palestine as there own lands before the 1800's. It wasn't Until the white zionist jews from europe(who came from Khazaria) started infesting europe. You people betrayed and stabbed the backs of the German people. You stole thousands of German patents and orchestrated mass starvation to all Germans and your own kind(during WWII). Says a lot about you people.


On this particular topic, Muslims could care less what the Quran states about jews and there land. Palestine(and the rest of middle east/arabian peninsula) is solely based on traditional "middle eastern" fundamentalist view. Israel is injecting western modernism by stealing the indigenous host's sovereign land.. Which modernism is slowly sucking the blood of fundamentalism bone dry.

That's the core problem.

Your totally disconnected about your jewish ashkenazi people(jewish or not they are your people)... Palestine is for no one , but for everyone... You nor any jew can claim any such thing as yours. Your post is arrogance at its best.


You don't know what it feels like for your home , your own land to be taken away,, ripped away. You jews took advantage of some fabricated jewish history , just so you could rape and pillage innocent people. All for a so called jewish state.


Pathetic

Originally posted by ghash
reply to post by tvtexan

 

I'm sorry but do I have to go back thousands of years? How about to the Stone Age? Or beginning of the universe?
It was under Byzantine control in 628 CE, joined the Islamic Empire in 636 CE and kept changing until it was under the Ottoman Empire in 1516.

"Joined"? "Joined" the Islamic Empire?

What a quaint way of expressing a hostile conquest!