Fountains of Methane 1000m across Erupt From Arctic Ice!

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

1,500 years plus or minus 1,500 years is more accurate.

And the next massive die off could come next year, doesn't change the reality that right now, if reports are accurate, the arctic ocean is boiling methane. If one of these little methane volcanoes gets down a mere 200M, we could be in big trouble.

Ice age does not mean the end of the world.

It's natural. We will adapt. The areas around the equator will actually be quite comfortable.

So much for doom and gloom.

To be honest, i love winter!

Bundle up and head out on the snowmobile. It's a blast! Thank God for the invention
of the parka.

BTW, you and i will be long gone by the time it gets here.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


and Die Off doesn't mean ice age, or the end of the world.

It means a large percentage of life on Earth dies off.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

and Die Off doesn't mean ice age, or the end of the world.

It means a large percentage of life on Earth dies off.

By the time it gets here, we will living on other planets and space stations.

Look how far we have progressed in the last 100 years. 1911 - 2011

Just think how advanced we will be in the year 2100.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


If we are ever going to make out there to try and find some sort of Star Trek universe, we are going to have to become much better stewards of our planet,

The evidence of global warming is clear and extensive, and as long as people keep clinging to that, "everything is going to be alright, we don't, CAN'T do anything" fantasy, we could become another coulda shoulda. Most likely a huge portion of the human population will die off if things are not changed soon.

We could be massively more efficient, the ICBs make sure everything made is disposable to keep the money flowing into their coffers. It really shows how ignorant the people who control the ICBs are. Population trends show that when people reach a 1st world status, their birth rates drop.

All evidence shows more and more that it is no longer an if, but a when, and that when could be within a decade.

"Silly silly silly human race" Yes

The earth has changed just like other planets have in the past and it will do so again.

There are changes to planets around us and I doubt our suvs and co2 is going all the way there.

everyone screaming that our government has to do something about.. what can they really do other than tax you and not let you consume power??? in the meanwhile your leaders will consume power and live off your "carbon" taxes.

seriously?? is our government supposed to tax and fine us for enviromental crime?? that is stupid as heck .. the earth does not care about cash.

we are arrogant to think we can hurt this planet when in reality this planet will just go on its cycle. the continents were not even the same in prehistoric times and severe climate changes happened then.

You people are really retarded mark my words when all ofyou are on your death bed you will realize you were a fool to think that we afffect earth as much.

I am not for pollution or anything like that. I hate pollution as it ruins my quality of life but thinking it will kill the earth is retarded it will kill us.. not the earth.

reply to post by poet1b


Isn't that enrergy useage for a year?

2005 48,891,000,000

sou rce

So equivelant is:

3399300570400 * 24 * 365 = 2.9777873 × 10^16

I mean a 1400 watt drye uses 1400 watts/hour, correct?which is wjere i came up with this:

1400 (watts/hair dryer) * 4 (hair dryers) * 607017959 (people)= 3,399,300,570,400 whch is watts per hour.

BTW: I'm not saying humnas have no envirnomental impact, take a look through myposts andsignature threads and you will see quite a bit regarding envinronmental pollution by people.

I am saying that you need to look at a wider picture and that like anything else, environmentalism and environmental movements can be manipulated...

Please tell the government that I can't be bothered with worrying about methane as I am still busy worrying about terrorists. I can only process one method of destruction of life as I know it at a time.

Originally posted by Epsillion70
Hey OP, so it is my understanding that the Earth just did one big massive fart yeah?
Ha ha lmfao

Hahahaha LOL...I like the way u think!

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I always thaught that an Iceage was cold in the north and much warmer in the south of the equator. Warmer waters from the south are prevented from moving north by the gulfstream and thus the southern hemesphere heats up wi;e the north cools down..

reply to post by jadedANDcynical


The number of the Wattage used for refining oil is expressed in Kilo Watts per hour, or thousands of watts per hour.

No need to convert to annual consumption when both are already presented as Kilo Watts per hour.

The numbers are as I presented, the U.S. oil refineries alone burn enough energy to heat the deep ocean around Antarctica several times over, as per the original source.

reply to post by GoreKiller63


Thinking has nothing to do with it.

Your signature says it all, too much thinking for the sheople.

Who want to pretend global warming isn't happening,

and if it is, we still won't do anything to save the future,

For future generations.

Oh, but they claim to be pro-family.

Originally posted by Ironclad
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I always thaught that an Iceage was cold in the north and much warmer in the south of the equator. Warmer waters from the south are prevented from moving north by the gulfstream and thus the southern hemesphere heats up wi;e the north cools down..

Ice ages aren't that bad. Fresh water for everyone!

We won't be here when it arrives.

"Scientists estimate there is 1.7 trillion tons of carbon in soils of the northern regions, about 88 percent of it locked in permafrost. That is about two and a half times the amount of carbon in our atmosphere.

If, in a warmer world, bacteria decompose organic soil matter faster, releasing carbon dioxide; this will set up a positive feedback loop, speeding up global warming.

When organic material comes out of the deep freeze, it is consumed by bacteria. If the material is well-aerated, bacteria that breath oxygen will perform the breakdown, and the carbon will enter the air as carbon dioxide, the primary greenhouse gas. But in areas where oxygen is limited, like the bottom of a lake or wetland, a group of bacteria called methanogens will break down the organic material, and the carbon will emerge as methane.

Scientists are worried about both gases. They believe that most of the carbon will emerge as carbon dioxide, with only a few percent of it being converted to methane. But because methane is such a potent greenhouse gas, the 41 experts in the recent survey predicted it would trap about as much heat as the carbon dioxide would.

Most of the lakes Dr. Walter Anthony studies were formed by a peculiar mechanism. Permafrost that is frozen hard supports the ground surface, almost the way a concrete pillar supports a building. But when thaw begins, the ground sometimes turns to mush and the entire land surface collapses into a low-lying area, known as thermokarst. A lake or wetland can form there, with the dark surface of the water capturing the sun's heat and causing still more permafrost to thaw nearby.

Ancient plants removed carbon from the atmosphere by absorbing carbon dioxide. When the plants died, much of their stored carbon was trapped and frozen in layers of soil and glacial silt.

SOURCE:

nytimes.com/enviroment

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Or maybe.....just a natural process of the Earth's long-term climate?

Ok, denier propaganda troll... here we go:
NO IT'S NOT. All science points to Anthropogenic factors contributing to the VAST MAJORITY of our current global warming. The only natural cycle involved is the Milkanovitch Cycle, and that doesn't come ANYWHERE CLOSE to explaining our rapid rise in warming, concurrent with our rapid rise in atmospheric CO2 concentrations (which are at historical levels).

www.skepticalscience.com...

Yeah, some might be due to human activity, but there is a great deal of science that shows the effects of Global Climate variations, long before Humans were a dominant technological species.

MOST of global warming is due to human activity (and subsequent feedbacks we've triggered). The ENTIRE POINT of our current global warming is that it's anthropogenically induced. Yes... in the past, climate variation was not due to human actions, but NOW IT IS. That's the whole point. Do you have any idea of the MASSIVE SCALE of modern human populations, industrialization, resource consumption, and pollution?? If you did, it would be impossible NOT to imagine that we could easily change the planet's atmosphere, ecosystems, and oceans... and... tragically, we're doing immense harm to ALL THE ABOVE.

www.skepticalscience.com...

Don't get me wrong, I am ALL FOR investigation into Human activities and possible influences on our environment....gosh knows we are doing that, and HAVE done that, in "spades".

Just think about it ("climate alteration") in terms of spans of years that exceed the normal lifespans of people.

We must NOT "over-react" just yet. Much still to be learned....and as I've mentioned elsewhere.....it is usually a centuries-long process anyhow.

Yes, we are destroying the planet and causing the planet's 6th Great Extinction Event.

www.actionbioscience.org...

And global warming is the perfect storm to tip our biosphere into irreversible collapse. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS, and there is NO GUARANTEE OF A HAPPY ENDING (that sounded dirty... but the reality is far far dirtier).

IF ANYTHING, we are UNDER-reacting. Too concerned about short-term economic negotiations and petty international squabbles, tit-for-tats, and industry propaganda/lobbying to ACTUALLY reduce consumption of fossil fuels and seek to reverse various pollutants and CO2-induced global warming.

I have "faith" in only one thing.....technology, and Human inventiveness to achieve, through technology, its goals.

You know what they say about blind faith, right?? WHAT has gotten us into our mess?? OUR TECHNOLOGIES. Yes, many beautiful, wonderful, and intensely fascinating things have been accomplished by humans (and our technologies)... but AT WHAT COST? Keep in mind... our technology, more then ever, is a double-edged sword. With every problem it solves, it tends to create 5 more. We ALREADY HAVE a massive stack of problems caused by our lifestyle (and the technologies/resources it requires) that we still haven't figured out how to manage properly/intelligently... what makes you think that heaping MORE crap onto the pile is gonna magically work? Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is called insanity/idiocy. It's time to live differently, it's time to subtract if we must.

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

I feel like that is the case, but after the turning point anthropogenic global warming will be rendered irrelevant

While it is too late to reverse SOME of our effects upon global climate... it is still our DUTY as humans and occupants of this planet to stop doing terrible things to it, period. It is insane to damn the future of so many humans/species because we prematurely believe it to be futile to end our destructive habits. The time is now to change. Time to be a more mature species.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

Or maybe.....just a natural process of the Earth's long-term climate?

Yeah, some might be due to human activity, but there is a great deal of science that shows the effects of Global Climate variations, long before Humans were a dominant technological species.

Don't get me wrong, I am ALL FOR investigation into Human activities and possible influences on our environment....gosh knows we are doing that, and HAVE done that, in "spades".

Just think about it ("climate alteration") in terms of spans of years that exceed the normal lifespans of people.

We must NOT "over-react" just yet. Much still to be learned....and as I've mentioned elsewhere.....it is usually a centuries-long process anyhow.

I have "faith" in only one thing.....technology, and Human inventiveness to achieve, through technology, its goals.

The hippies fail to realize the earth enabled us to live. That one little fact always evades them. They don't accept the foundation of that fact and they never take it to a logical conlusion. Because, well, logic evades them like Rosie Odonnel evades lettuce.

edit on 14-12-2011 by tangonine because: (no reason given)

Well... I'm not a hippie. And that's EXACTLY MY POINT- the Earth ALLOWS us to live... and we're destroying the support systems that keep us (and other species) alive. WE CANNOT DO THAT. That fact doesn't EVADE "us", it ENGULFS "us". And by "us", I mean those who are intelligent/scientific/compassionate/wise enough to value the environment and seek its protection for now and for the indefinite future.

Logic and education also engulfs us... unlike you "rednecks". See, I can play that stupid game too.

Originally posted by quedup

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

THESE PLUMES ARE THE RESULT OF ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING.

WHY DON'T PEOPLE GET THIS.... WHY DON'T THEY READ.

People do read Hierarchy but I'm afraid people being people do tend to have differing opinions. The Scientist themselves also differ - some of them very strongly.

Why don't you read - the other side of the argument!

It's the causes of Global Warming thats the Hot Issue.

While bombs and industry are wreaking havoc and making enormous profits to feed the lifestyles of the already rich - the poor are being expected to pay the price and are.

edit on 14-12-2011 by quedup because: (no reason given)

WRONG. The vast majority of scientists agree that Anthropogenic global warming is very real. The scientific debate virtually ended in the 70's. The ONLY scientists who detract from AGW now have PROVEN financial/ideological ties to industry and right-wing think-tanks. Not only that, but the majority of propaganda in our media/politics which portrays a false debate over AGW has been DIRECTLY FUNDED BY COMPANIES LIKE EXXON, WESTERN FUELS, ETC. and think-tanks like Americans for Prosperity, Free Enterprise Institute, FreedomWorks, Cato Institute, and so on. IT'S SICK and yet another example of corporate control of OUR government and OUR airwaves.

I HAVE READ THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. I've researched every single denier claim and given each one a chance to be correct, and know what I found?? NONE of them are based on anything but lies, exaggerations, cherry-picking, propaganda, disinformation, misinterpretation, bad science, bad logic, and pseudo-science. I've come out of my research more convinced than EVER that AGW is both real and a serious problem that we must tackle globally and immediately. And NO, not with some kind of tyrannical global government like industry conspiracy theorists like to trick people into thinking. There are plenty of NON-tyrannical solutions that we haven't even had the balls, intelligence, or diligence to implement.

What industry do you think LITERALLY FUELS our global economy and the war machine?? What industry do you think is the most profitable, dirty, and despicable EVER to exist?? THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY. And THEY are responsible for manufacturing this false debate over global warming. Meanwhile, THE ACTUAL SCIENTISTS are pulling out their hair dealing with unscientific skepticism. Even SKEPTIC SOCIETIES have called AGW skepticism a load of crap.

Originally posted by Pervius
This Finnish Nuclear Scientists said the Fukushima Nuclear Reactor criticality sent Neutron beams down into Earth and there's a "methane clutter" (layer of methane) surrounding the entire planet. Remember when we saw the Neutron Beams from Fukushima shooting up? Apparently it went down as well.

They expected the methane clutter to go boom around the entire planet....blowing every other nuclear reactor on Earth.

www.youtube.com...

Dude!

This almost warrants its own topic!

Good job!

reply to post by IrVulture


Methane has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear reactors blowing up. There methane surrounding the continents on the continental shelves, though, and I don't know how a neutron beam shooting into the earth's crust in japan would set off methane hydrates in Siberia without heating the insides of the earth to a very large degree.

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by IrVulture

 

Methane has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear reactors blowing up. There methane surrounding the continents on the continental shelves, though, and I don't know how a neutron beam shooting into the earth's crust in japan would set off methane hydrates in Siberia without heating the insides of the earth to a very large degree.

As quoted earlier in this thread,I think,methane needs oxygen to become combustible,and vice verse .