Fountains of Methane 1000m across Erupt From Arctic Ice!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Signals
Who will Gore send the carbon tax bill to?

Sounds like trillions of dollars to be made...

The Earth is following its own geological clock and laughing hysterically at Al Gore
and his minions.

Eventually Peace & Tranquility will replace the Deception & Fear spread by Al Gore.

Erm, this actually proves that global warming is happening and that Al was right.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


It could also mean Hillary Clinton just got involved with the Arctic Council.

green.blogs.nytimes.com...

Members of the Arctic Council — the United States, Russia, Canada, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden — plan to sign an agreement on Thursday to coordinate search-and-rescue operations across 13 million square miles of ocean that are becoming more navigable as Arctic sea ice decreases. In a sign of the council’s new prominence in American foreign policy, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first secretary of state to attend one of its biannual meetings.

www.arctic-council.org...

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

It could also mean Hillary Clinton just got involved with the Arctic Council.

green.blogs.nytimes.com...

Members of the Arctic Council — the United States, Russia, Canada, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Finland and Sweden — plan to sign an agreement on Thursday to coordinate search-and-rescue operations across 13 million square miles of ocean that are becoming more navigable as Arctic sea ice decreases. In a sign of the council’s new prominence in American foreign policy, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first secretary of state to attend one of its biannual meetings.

www.arctic-council.org...

Interesting. However, I think it's a bit late to go looking for Sir John Franklin. That said, it would be cool to find out where his ships ended up. I've always had a certain morbid fascination with that expedition.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

I'm sure those vents are producing in a week way way way more greenhouse gases than all of humanity has produced in the last thousand years.

Is that right?

Just cause you don't like taxes doesn't mean you should turn off your brain.


All this natural smog and stuff...

This story popped up on yahoo now, but all I have seen so far, references Igor Semiletov of the Russian Academy of Science

Read more: www.digitaljournal.com...

Here is a little more information on Dr Semiletov.

www.iarc.uaf.edu...

It looks like this is news, a recent discovery, and there isn't much information. We don't know if this is something that had been going on undetected, or a new development. I wonder what kind of effort is being made to look at the extent of these methane plumes, and identify how long this has been going on.

If this is a recent development, it should be taken very seriously.

The counter argument is that this melting of the permafrost will take more than a century to become a much bigger problem.

The NY Times just released an article yesterday telling everyone not to worry.

dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com...

A very important research effort has been under way during recent summers in the warming, increasingly ice-free shallows off Russia’s Siberian coast. There, an international array of scientists has been investigating widening areas of open water that are disgorging millions of tons of methane each year.

To review, the authors confirm “drastic bottom layer heating over the coastal zone” that they attribute to warming of the Arctic atmosphere, but conclude that “recent climate change cannot produce an immediate response in sub-sea permafrost.” That’s the understatement of the year considering their conclusion that even under sustained heating, the brunt of the sub-sea methane won’t be affected in this millennium.

This is essentially a summary of what the American Geophysical Union is saying, but how involved are they with the International Arctic Research Center is not clear.

This is their home page research.iarc.uaf.edu...

Which is the group Dr Semiletov works for.

If this is a new development, then things could get very bad, very soon.

The American Geophysical Union states that the bulk of the methane is roughly 200 meters below the sea floor, but they don't speculate what will happen when the bulk of this methane is hit. Will that be the game changer?

Now we have these methane volcanoes erupting. What happens if these volcanoes dig holes that reach 200 M depth? Are we going to see a huge surge in methane emissions? This claim that it will take at least over a century for the bulk of the methane to be tapped, does it consider methane volcanoes drilling down into the sea bed? How much risk does this add to the equation of drilling for oil in the Arctic? 200 meters is pretty shallow. The recent gulf incident clearly demonstrated that the people in charge of these operations don't know what they are doing, and don't seem to care.

My guess is that nobody has a clue about what is going to happen.

It could be game over folks.

I don't trust them at all. TPTB ,who built all those dumbs. While they might be willing to harm many humans, don't know if they are willing to harm their own futures.

For example Fukushima. There is so much weirdness going on with that. Have they blacked out the news from Japan to make it bigger than it is to North America? Do they gain by amping things up? No one is dying there, though there is some damage at the time of the original accident. We have a lot of leaks ones that threaten underwater systems here, and who knows what is really going on with those readings taken here.

What if this is being reported so they could come up with a way to market this at gasoline prices to the world, to save earth? We'd all be required to buy this stuff. And what if, in order to do it they really mess around by tapping into those wells, giving them one extra ultimate doom power if they want to use it?

I'm not saying Fukushima isn't real. And I'm not saying this isn't. I am merely exploring all sides of the coin.

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Ya, that stuff will induce a global fever of the Earth itself. I wonder if we can filter or trap quantities
once it gets into the atmosphere, if not... eesh...

Here is another interesting article I found while doing research.

www.scientificamerican.com...

Himalayan glaciers are melting and retreating at their edges because of global warming. But they also conceal a more ominous effect of climate change: they are deflating. They are losing internal ice mass to melting, which can substantially hasten their disappearance. Scientists have recently captured real-time video showing a glacier purging its own meltwater, and at rates far faster than the experts had imagined.

This is from work done by a dedicated young woman, Ulyana Horodyskyj, a geologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

All evidence show that global warming is accelerating faster than scientist imagined.

Maybe global warming is a natural cycle that we can not do anything about, but all the evidence points to this being a result of our current wasteful use of energy our disposable society is hooked on to keep the money pouring into the ICBs.

It is extremely stupid for our species to not do anything, when most of the evidence shows that we can, when this could be the end of our species.

To not do anything, when we might be able to prevent, or at least minimize, such a looming global disaster is extremely foolish.

reply to post by Unity_99


If it is not real, then maybe we wind up getting scammed out of some money.

If it is real, we, or our children, or grandchildren, or great grandchildren, may live to see the end of most of the life on our planet because we were too greedy and too stupid to act while we can.

What is the intelligent thing to do here?

reply to post by mastahunta


I don't think we have the technical capabilities to tap this methane. These plumes are probably a good indicator that the region is unstable.

And the gulf oil spill pretty much proved that idiots are in charge of the oil industry.

I think this new discovery is a bigger threat than Fukushima.

This is some pretty crazy stuff.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Signals
Who will Gore send the carbon tax bill to?

Sounds like trillions of dollars to be made...

The Earth is following its own geological clock and laughing hysterically at Al Gore
and his minions.

Eventually Peace & Tranquility will replace the Deception & Fear spread by Al Gore.

Erm, this actually proves that global warming is happening and that Al was right.

No, Al Gore says Global Warming is caused by MAN MADE CO2 gases.

The fountains of methane up there have nothing to do with mankind.
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There is - nothing - Al Gore can do to slow it down or stop it.
He is a spectator.

The sun also contributes to global warming/cooling.

He can't slap a tax on the sun and slow that down either.
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The ONLY thing he may be able to effect is CO2 emissions. That's why they chose it.

The truth shall set us free.

Maybe this is God's timing, it is said that nations that rebel against his promised people, land and home of his return who are conspiring that includes Russia selling arms to Iran who in turn hates Israel will be brought judgement on them. The timing will be right and this could mean earthquakes, chaotic weather and even fire raining down from the sky and hailstones. Then of course all nations will rebel like some conspiracy that was Israel's fault so prophecy seems to narrate in this direction of events.

If this is wrong then better for these people and nations and if large scale world events take shape through nature, but all I am saying look out for the timing so you can escape judgment, that is the whole point of prophecy.

Last note: Bible prophecy was written at least 3000 years ago along with the more modern New Testament 2000 years ago, suggesting that the nations who will rebel and be judged are the very ones that ban the Bible and treats its followers as second class, these nations are deliberately putting a blind eye to God for other gods and this will backfire on them because they refused to listen and made it law to ban those who could have helped.

God Says:

You are my creation, I have tried to get you to listen to me. Instead you have chosen not heed my repeated, desperate, warnings to you. Instead of listening to Me, you created false religions in My name, false systems by which you enslave and feed on others to satisfy selfish desires to become as a living god. You have abused the gift of life, and you will now be tested. You will either acknowledge I exist, surrender to My will, and learn to share with one another in the spirit of thanksgiving and Love, OR you will choose of your own free will to reject the grace that gave you life itself, continuing to live in fear and competitive adaption that is fit for creatures of no self awareness, and die eternally. For upon this day, I pronounce the beginning of my judgment and condemnation upon the delusion that you yourselves are greater than Me. You will LOVE one another, Or you will DIE!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Signals
Who will Gore send the carbon tax bill to?

Sounds like trillions of dollars to be made...

The Earth is following its own geological clock and laughing hysterically at Al Gore
and his minions.

Eventually Peace & Tranquility will replace the Deception & Fear spread by Al Gore.

Erm, this actually proves that global warming is happening and that Al was right.

No, Al Gore says Global Warming is caused by MAN MADE CO2 gases.

The fountains of methane up there have nothing to do with mankind.
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The truth shall set us free.

I don't give a $#@$@ about AL GORE, but I do think it is arrogant to think that mankind can not
impact the environment. The fact of the matter is, this world did not have melting ice and Methane
plumes before we started our industrialization and the burning of fossil fuels in the last couple
centuries.

Thousands and thousands of years, no melting ice (which then releases the methane), coincidence?
You betting the entire existence of humanity, based upon some sense of duty to free market ideology
is a bad bet.

I wish you'd set yourself free. Or take a vacation and enjoy some fresh, "naturally" produced
air.

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
Water vapor in the atmosphere plays a much larger role than CO2.

1. Only around 380 parts per million of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide.

2. Only 3% of the CO2 results from human activity.
...

7. Water in the air is a greenhouse gas which swamps the others. It is about a hundred times more prevalent than CO2 in clear air, and millions of times more significant on a cloudy day. Yet moisture only changes temperatures about 10-20 degrees on a cloudy day. This means CO2 must be changing temperatures less than 0.000001 degrees all of the time.

8. When el Nino heats the Pacific, CO2 increases in the atmosphere; and after El Nino, it normalizes. It wouldn’t normalize if oceans were not reabsorbing the CO2. And if oceans can reabsorb that CO2, they can absorb any other CO2.

Furthermore:

Compare the numbers to water vapor. There’s less than 1% as many molecules of CO2; it absorbs less than 1% of the radiation; and it sends less than 10% back to earth. That’s 100 x 100 x 10 times less effective than water vapor, which totals one million times less effective. If a cloudy day changes the temperature by 10 degrees, carbon dioxide would be a millionth as effective, which would be 0.00001 degrees. The quantities are absurd.

Additionally:

The cause of the oceans warming cannot be the atmosphere, which has very low heat capacity, but must be due to heat from within the earth’s core, as described on other pages dealing with climate and the earth’s core.

The globe is heating, but the cause is hot spots rotating in the earth’s core and heating the oceans, not greenhouse gases. This can be known from the fact that the past ten ice ages have cycled at 100 thousand year intervals. Environmental factors would not be so cyclic.

There are numerous indications of the oceans heating up. One is increased rainfall in the upper plains, where the moisture originates in the Pacific Ocean. A few years ago, Chicago was flooding due to a rise in Lake Michigan; and another canal had to be built around Niagara Falls to drain it.

Blog entry @ world-mysteries.com

For those who may scoff at the above referenced work, here are some other sources for deep ocean warming you may prefer:

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
Ok, you got me thinking and after a few minutes of looking around I have found some very interesting results.

Warming waters in the deepest parts of the ocean surrounding Antarctica have contributed to sea-level rise over the past two decades, scientists report today (Sept. 20).

In an attempt to pinpoint all culprits for the rising oceans, scientists analzyed warming trends in the abyssal ocean — below about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters), said study team member and oceanographer Sarah Purkey of the University of Washington in Seattle.

The scientists found that the strongest deep warming occurred in the water around Antarctica, and the warming lessens as it spreads around the globe. The temperature increases are small — about 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit (0.03 degrees Celsius) per decade in the deep Southern Ocean, and less elsewhere. But the large volume of the ocean over which they are found and the high capacity of water to absorb heat means that this warming accounts for a huge amount of energy storage.

Well what do you know? I wonder where all of that energy is coming from and what does that mean in terms we can grasp?

This amount of energy would be the equivalent of giving every person on Earth five 1,400-Watt hair dryers, and running them constantly during the 20-year study period, said study team member and oceanographer Gregory Johnson of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Wow, I think that might have a noticeable effect, don't you?

Sea level has been rising at around one-eighth of an inch (3 millimeters) per year on average since 1993, with about half of that caused by the ocean expanding as it's heated, and the other half due to additional water added to the ocean, mostly from melting continental ice.

The oceanographers note that deep warming of the Southern Ocean accounts for about one-twentieth of an inch (1.2 mm) per year of the sea-level rise around Antarctica in the past two decades.

So we have empirical evidence that there is heating going on in the deep oceans, and a substantial amount of it indeed. That heating is causing almost fully half of the rise in global sea levels.

For everyone who missed this the first time. It's nice to see Al Gore's publicists have earned their keep because he's hauled into every Climate conversation, relevant or not. Equally pictures of China's smog aren't making your argument because they refuse to reduce emmissions or even attend the sumits. I refuse to feel guilty over what another country does. They may polute shamelessly, but suffer no sanctions.

sorry, continued from above quote.

Al Gore's publicist must be thrilled they have forever linked his name to any and all climate discussions. Despite his irrelevance to it. Equally showing smoggy pics of China is a straw man. We have no influence over the polluting they persist in and attempting to make people feel guilty using those pics is a cheap shot. The Chinese refuse to use more common technologies for their factories and poison their own workforce. Feeling bad about it changes nothing.

NOT looking at how magma circulates under the mantle and factoring it in is just plain bad science. Geo folks feel free to chime in. The person who posted this did us a huge favor in bringing it to light.

Originally posted by The time lord
Maybe this is God's timing, it is said that nations that rebel against his promised people, land and home of his return who are conspiring that includes Russia selling arms to Iran who in turn hates Israel will be brought judgement on them. The timing will be right and this could mean earthquakes, chaotic weather and even fire raining down from the sky and hailstones. Then of course all nations will rebel like some conspiracy that was Israel's fault so prophecy seems to narrate in this direction of events.

If this is wrong then better for these people and nations and if large scale world events take shape through nature, but all I am saying look out for the timing so you can escape judgment, that is the whole point of prophecy.

Last note: Bible prophecy was written at least 3000 years ago along with the more modern New Testament 2000 years ago, suggesting that the nations who will rebel and be judged are the very ones that ban the Bible and treats its followers as second class, these nations are deliberately putting a blind eye to God for other gods and this will backfire on them because they refused to listen and made it law to ban those who could have helped.

No doubt other nations have their own natural time bombs, if places like Italy and America ever become evil in their conspiracy to align with the devil to fight off the followers of Christ in the endtimes I am sure a few volcanoes are still yet to erupt when the time is right so its not all plain saling. This might even include the UK with the recent ash clouds from Iceland so I guess all bases are covered if man decides to wipe out the Jews and Christians off the map and physically want to destroy God's plan and return if we reject him once more, plenty of tsunami's can reach places that are a romote threat too. The upper hand is, going by theory here is that God will hold back the plagues our prayers will keep each other safe.

A time is coming when man and earth will reach a fever pitch, everything will start to crumble and people will faint at such events, we saw Japan this year and looking at the tsunami makes your stomach churn, we saw uprising all over the Middle East, while technology is seeking 'faster than light' and 'the god particle' as a way to maybe save us somehow we wonder who will take control of it all.

Originally posted by Epsillion70
Hey OP, so it is my understanding that the Earth just did one big massive fart yeah?
Ha ha lmfao

It amazes me how many stars one can get for posting such a childish comment. I guess fart jokes never go out of style, for the immature...

reply to post by Caver78


Thank you, I thought I may have been talking to myself for a while there.

Not that I've minded, it's been a pretty good conversation...

Did you see the post I made regarding Space Dust?

I think that there are MUCH larger processes at work than we are capable of affecting as much as we are being asked to beleive we are doing..

reply to post by Vitchilo


Econ-nazi's .....indeed - just another way for larger power and sustaining greed. Solyndra???

Maybe this is why Canada pulled out of Kyoto. They stated it was due to the fact that US and China were the major violators and would not come to an agreement to substantially reduce greenhouse emmissions by 2020. I wonder what details have been edited out of the report for the gen popullation.