Russian aircraft carrier off coast of scotland - emergency scramble deployed

reply to post by technologicalsingularity


I seriously doubt the Royal Navy lost track of a Russian Aircraft Carrier Group. They plus the USN are probably tracking it all the time.

If my pilots found it, the Navy knew about it.

reply to post by minto


What rig you on there matey?

Im Airside onshore in operations for a helicopter company. Its my role to route flights for the clients, speak to crew, sort out pax etc. For the whole of the Northern north and central north sea. So im in constant contact with rigs/boats/crew.

ww3 is coming

This carrier was reported to be off the coast of Syria weeks ago. Is it returning home??

Impessive the UK has a destroyer, It had to travel 1000km to intercept the aircraft carrier.

I say let the Russians invade Scotland, preferably a major city on a Friday or Saturday night, - good luck to them as they will be in for one hell of a fight.

Originally posted by novuslibertas
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Believe me, since Russia resumed nuclear flights over our countries our militaries started and resumed the biggest training and practice operations since the cold war. Also in UK.

Russian Bear airplanes which are capable of carrying nuclear bombs occasionally fly over and are accompanied by our jet fighters in case something goes wrong,

You are seriously mixed up. What you are posting is an example of the media not comprehending the difference between sovereign airspace and an air defence zone of interest - Flight Information Region. The zone of interest is in international airspace. The Russian aircraft are operating in international airspace. The Russians are operating outside the 12nm limit. NATO chooses to intercept them in international airspace. Exactly the same as NATO aircraft operating off the coast of Russia and being intercepted by Russian fighters.

www.airn.nato.int...

NATO Integrated Air Defence System (NATINADS) is busy working to keep our skies safe. A recent sortie by two Russian Tupolev TU-160 ‘Blackjack’ bombers illustrates the need for constant vigilance. Flying from mainland Russia they were detected as they swept over the northern tip of Norway in international air space and intercepted by NATO’s most northern NATINADS fighters, Norwegian F16s from NAAF Bodo. Subsequently, they were continuously tracked towards the UK and intercepted by two Tornado F3s fighters, part of the UK component of NATINADS, from RAF Leuchars in Scotland.

Wing Commander Mark Gorringe, Officer Commanding 111 Sqn, RAF Leuchars, said:

‘This is not an unusual incident and people may be surprised to know that our crews have successfully scrambled to intercept Russian aircraft on more than 10 occasions since the start of 2009.’

Some Russian missions fly far out into the Atlantic and whilst others journey south towards the coastline of north west Europe, turning short of penetrating sovereign airspace. These incidents concern NATO airmen as the Russian military flights are often not coordinated with civil Air Traffic Control (ATC) and therefore, can pose a real threat to flight safety in what are some of the busiest air-routes in the world. Although NATINADS is not responsible for flight safety across Europe, it contributes by assisting civil ATC by identifying and tracking such incidents.

www.itar-tass.com...

“At some points during the patrolling flight, the long-range aviation planes were escorted by a pair of Norwegian Air Force F-16 fighter planes,” Drik said. “All flights of the Air Force planes were and are made in strict compliance with the international rules of the use of airspace over neural waters without violating the borders of other states,” he said.

www.publications.parliament.uk...

47. The UK press have featured stories that imply that Russia's air tactics are a threat to UK security.[76] We sought information from the MoD to clarify the scale and nature of the issue of military incursions into NATO and UK airspace. We were told that during 2007-2009 no Russian aircraft have entered UK airspace—defined as 12 nautical miles from the UK coastline—without authorisation. However, Russian military aircraft have entered the UK Flight Information Region—outside UK territorial airspace—without permission. This is part of international airspace and, as such, Russia is able to exercise its defence capabilities there.

Unfortunately the media get it all mixed up and the following is reported time and time again.

'Russian nuclear bombers invade UK Airspace'

'Two Russian bombers, capable of carrying nuclear weapons, have been caught flying over British airspace.
The unwelcome guests spent four hours flying over the Isle of Lewis despite being intercepted by two RAF jets.'

news.sky.com...

'RAF reports 20 instances of Russian jets flying over Scotland'

www.globalcrisisnews.com...=1499/

'RAF catches Russian bombers in UK airspace'

www.scotsman.com...

'Russian Bombers' Secret Flights over Scotland'

www.express.co.uk...

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Originally posted by mkgandhas
ww3 is coming

Rubbish!

It's just SkyNews as usual, hyping up a non story on a slow news day where the biggest story is the rise in unemployment figures (Yawn!).

The Russian ships were in "International waters"......which means that there was no breach of UK sea space.

End of story really........hardly WW3!

Originally posted by detachedindividual


I am well aware of the change in the agreement for Russian flights over most of Europe. That's why I stated in my last post that this was through the 1990's.

What agreement? There was no agreement for Russian military flights over sovereign territory. I served in the RAF during this period. (1985-2007). It was situation normal with Russian military flights out over the top of Russia (Kola Peninsula) in International Airspace and either out into the Atlantic or North Sea. The Russians in peacetime can't get any military flights out of the Baltic due to Danish and Swedish airspace.

Are you confusing Russian military official visits to the the UK and the rest of Europe during the 1990s? For example the Russians sent Tu-95 and Tu-142 Bear to air shows in the UK. These aircraft were official visitors and were given special permission to use NATO airspace (Denmark) to exit the Baltic.

1994 UK - Russian Air Force Tu-95MS Bear H lands at RAF Fairford.

www.airliners.net...

1994 UK - Russian Navy Tu-142 Bear F at RAF Fairford.

www.airliners.net...

Plus all the other official visits for the international trades shows such as Farnborough.

MiG-31 Foxhound in the UK during 1992.

www.airliners.net...

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its been a whole day since ive checked upon the thread, but im still hearing repeated comments of the same. Im not concerned about the vessel being off the coast of scotland, as mentioned, if it were a concern, we'd for sure know about it, as it would be an act of aggression.

I said i felt it was intimidating, but as we all know here at ats, that russian vessels have been making their way to syria for at least the past 3 weeks, so nothing new there. What is important, is the MSM have only just clocked onto the movements (i.e given consent by the gov to air the knowledge, to inform what was previously not consented), thats serious. The news story on sky, was in its simplicity a warning to the un-aware, to give them an "in your face" heads up, by means of a news story that will cause the un-aware to question why russian warships are heading to the east med and what may happen in the very near future for syria , the end of iraqi war doesnt mean you'll be coming home (for long and more than likely re-deployed shortly and notified of a 2 month window).

Sky was airing a tease story to viewers who only reads "The SUN/Daily sport" newspaper, i.e dont know whats going on in the world and still baffled to what the hell hacking is " is that something to do with horse riding?" LMFAO .

As for WW3, thats firmly in the hands of israel,palestine,iran,syria and turkey and the allied superpowers that back them and or both the entire collapse of global superpower economies.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
This carrier was reported to be off the coast of Syria weeks ago. Is it returning home??

The story was a result of very poor journalism. The incorrect information was originally Cyprus media. It was also reported by Italian media. At the time the Russian aircraft carrier was still in port in Northern Russia.

www.ansamed.info...

Cyprus: Russian navy nears gas drilling zone

(ANSAmed) - NICOSIA, NOVEMBER 25 - The Russian "Admiral Kuznetsov" class aircraft carrier is currently off the coast of Malta and heading for eastern Mediterranean from their base in the Barents Sea...

Where the aircraft carrier actually was.

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Originally posted by technologicalsingularity

.. but as we all know here at ats, that russian vessels have been making their way to syria for at least the past 3 weeks, so nothing new there. What is important, is the MSM have only just clocked onto the movements (i.e given consent by the gov to air the knowledge, to inform what was previously not consented), thats serious.

They haven't been making their way for the past three weeks. The Kuznetsov Battle Group set sail from Russia on the 6th December. What some members on ATS have been doing is believing the likes of Debka in reporting the bogus movements of Russian warships in and around Syria. The movements of the Kuznetsov Carrier Battle Group and their work up prior to departing were available for anyone on the internet to see. The Russians made no secret that the Kuznetsov Battle Group would deploy on one of its routine lengthy deployments as it does every few years.

Currently the only Russian warship in the Mediterranean is the Black Sea Frigate Ladny.

turkishnavy.net...

rusnavy.com...

The conspiracy people who were falling over Syrian News Agencies and the likes of Debka were not really thinking outside the box. See the Turkish Navy net website. Where were all these reported Russian warships in Syrian waters coming from? The numbers a few weeks ago got up to 6 all in support of Syria. The Russians are under treaty with Turkey in order to get their warships through the Bosphorus.

Even the Frigate Ladny is making ports of calls in NATO ports while it waits to meet up with the Northern Fleet Kuznetsov Battle Group and elements from the Baltic Fleet.

The preparations for the Kuznetsov deployment to the Mediterranean have been available on the web for months. It was originally planned for November.

See Norwegian (NATO) media.

www.barentsobserver.com...

Originally posted by technologicalsingularity
Just in on SKY News UK, the british royal navy has deployed an emergency scramble of warships and fighter jets due to a russian aircraft carrier carrying a dozen or more fighter jets in british waters off the coast of scotland, they claim they are on route to syria, where they do indeed have a base on the coast, but i feel this is pure intimidation as they could have navigated away from british waters to avoid conflict.

also there are whispers that US forces are arriving in Jordan, syria's neighbour. Russia has already made it clear that if a US/NATO led attack is fired upon syria , that russia will attack.

HERE WE GO FOLKS, FASTEN YOUR SEAT BELT!

According to SKY it was 30 miles off the coast so it's not in british waters, why is it on here people seem to exaggerate things when possible?

AGAIN i ask. How is this possible when just a few weeks ago there were threads on here left and right about the aircraft carrier off the coast of Syria?

Russia, dont be stupid, if you mess with United States allies you are going to go down fast... and China, if you decide to join the party, the same outcome will be delivered to you....and we arent paying you back

Originally posted by wmd_2008

According to SKY it was 30 miles off the coast so it's not in british waters, why is it on here people seem to exaggerate things when possible?

This thread is almost as silly as the one just posted a week or so ago.......where someone posted that they had seen a SkyNews rolling banner headline that troops may be used to protect British borders........the poster said he/she had no further details, as it was only appearing as a banner headline and SkyNews were showing another news story.
Had the poster actually waited a few minutes, then he/she would have realised that it was merely referring to the one day national strike where speculation arose that the millitary might send troops to help the borders agency to cover for the striking employees!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The big clue though, that this story wasn't the big millitary event that the poster assumed it was, was quite simply the fact that Sky News wasn't talking about it at the time he/she saw the headline.

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I'm not exactly sure, but whatever the reason for their being Russian flights over the UK during that period required an alert to be issued to several research and development sites across the UK to be shut down.

As I understand it, it was radar testing and development systems primarily affected by these shut-downs.

By the time I was working there the system was defunct, so I never saw it in operation. But I was assured that, if required, we would receive a communication and then all departments would have to be notified to shut down any units they were testing/running/repairing until notification arrived to give an all-clear.

meh... wake me when the war begins.

oh wait lol it started about 10 years ago.

Go Russia! Go Russia! *Waves some flags*

Alright to be a little more serious, they sailed near Scotland in that Hurricane? Brave men and wome... oh wait I believe there are very few women on the 'Kuznecov' So I'd say it was natural to anchor up near some land to out-wait the hurricane with the strong winds and waves. And if we are to begin throwing rocks in glasshouses I'd love to present a video report. (On Russian keep in mind.)

One Norwegian Air Force Falcon 20 ELINT recon plane, and one P-3 Orion is overflying Kuznecov's deck. The incident happened in international waters where overflying an aircraft carrier without permission is strictly frowned upon. (Maybe even forbidden.) You can see them on this video from 02:30 and onward. And it also shows an insight into Kuznecov's operations as well. The clip is in Russian, but I assure you the aircraft carrier is deployed for much needed training. After all we only have one of them, we need to safeguard it with utmost care. I believe Russia wants to train up aircraft carrier operations in all climates and possible locations. I have no personal opinion of Russia-Syria-US relationship, neither do I wish to engage in any discussions around that relation. I hope i didn't miss any typos there, stay safe.