Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

reply to post by yaluk

Does anyone have proof that jesus is from pagan religions??

Really? Seven pages of theological and mythological history, and THAT'S the question you open with?

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

To be honest it is not a topic that interests me greatly. My point was that the church itself doesn't know and I think they chose the 25th to replace an existing festival of pagans or preceding religions. Like I said though, its dead, hidden and or altered history. I've seen various dates/times given for his birth. The real answer is probably "Pick a card, any card"

Peace

ETA I visited your link and scanned it briefly. At least I got the previous festival part right. I do remember some things, sometimes

Winter solstice, the sun (oooh, 'Son') is (re)born while Sirius (Canis Major) - a very bright star - shines above the constellation of Virgo. Virgo is also known as the "House of Bread." The Hebrew for "House of Bread" is Bethlehem. Following the rise of Sirius is the belt of Orion - also known as the 'three wise men.'

Summary:
Three wise men follow a bright star to Bethlehem as the son is born.

Coincidence?
Nope, that story had been around for thousands of years before the Christians got hold of it.

reply to post by arpgme


People who follow 2000 year old books full of stories that defy the mind, physics and reality in much the same way tmost modern works of Fantasy and SF do today...

Your a mormon (without the middle M)...!!

I can't believe that in this modern time, people still believe in Unicorns and fairies (Religion). The story of Jesus and the bible are exactly the same as all the old religions..!! They are all made up by primitive people, who couldn't understand the real world and made gods to explain away that which they didn't understand.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul


Speaking of Easter(Ishtar, Astarte, Isis, Semiramis) and immaculate conceptions, eggs, rabbits, and so on.

Semiramis claimed that she was immaculately conceived.
• She taught that the moon was a goddess that went through a 28 day cycle and ovulated when full.
• She further claimed that she came down from the moon in a giant moon egg that fell into the Euphrates River.
• This was to have happened at the time of the first full moon after the spring equinox.
• Semiramis became known as "Ishtar" which is pronounced "Easter", and her moon egg became known as "Ishtar's" egg."
• Ishtar soon became pregnant and claimed that it was the rays of the sun-god Baal that caused her to conceive. • The son that she brought forth was named Tammuz.
• Tammuz was noted to be especially fond of rabbits, and they became sacred in the ancient religion, because Tammuz was believed to be the son of the sun-god, Baal. Tammuz, like his supposed father, became a hunter.
• The day came when Tammuz was killed by a wild pig.
• Queen Ishtar told the people that Tammuz was now ascended to his father, Baal, and that the two of them would be with the worshippers in the sacred candle or lamp flame as Father, Son and Spirit.

Easter And this is from a "christian" source. There is much more in the pdf.

This is ancient babylonian history from the time of Nimrod. Nope. No similarities here. None at all.

Secret Societies and the ones who rule this planet aren't the brightest folks in 15 galaxies I know of thus far.


Makes me feel bad for them.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by britelite1971
reply to post by dalan.

 

You atheists never cease to amaze me. When someone posts a thread about christianity you are drawn right into it. Nice witnessing to you! Enjoy!

Is that your argument for: Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

You can attack Atheists - - - but where is your proof/research to support Jesus?

(although - unless I read the post you are referring to wrong - - - I didn't see any claim of Atheism)

Pretty obvious isn't it?? Where is your proof that Jesus didn't exist and that He's not the Messiah?

edit on 2-12-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
reply to post by yaluk

 

Does anyone have proof that jesus is from pagan religions??

Really? Seven pages of theological and mythological history, and THAT'S the question you open with?

Of course I have to open with that. Last I checked Jesus was not a copy but the OP is arguing against notions that he is.. so i figured i missed out the latest and greatest theory about him being a knock off.

Originally posted by Ironclad
reply to post by arpgme

 

People who follow 2000 year old books full of stories that defy the mind, physics and reality in much the same way tmost modern works of Fantasy and SF do today...

Your a mormon (without the middle M)...!!

I can't believe that in this modern time, people still believe in Unicorns and fairies (Religion). The story of Jesus and the bible are exactly the same as all the old religions..!! They are all made up by primitive people, who couldn't understand the real world and made gods to explain away that which they didn't understand.

You are the same as the people you are slamming on. You have your own beliefs that you would defend with the same zealot behavior as those who believe in unicorns or whatever other rubbish you said. If you believe in science.. well science changes because we do not know everything. If you cannot see this then you are just as dense as the people you scorn.

All I got to say is "ROMANS 13" The bible is a man made fable that was designed to manipulate and control the weak minded masses. Open your eyes and look at what has been done in the name of religion throughout history...man, wake the heck up.

reply to post by kdog1982


Start with what?
It's a historical fact, and the ancients did not find the concept of the gods having affairs with mortals in their mythology and world-view as unusual at all.
Ironically the Christians were first considered atheists because they refused to accept the divinity of the king (which must have seemed blasphemous back then). In fact, if the Internet existed in ancient times, even sites like this would probably ban you for just saying the king isn't semi-divine, because it would have caused major disruption.

One suspects that some were in on the schemes, and that the belief in semi-divinity was used to cover-up inconvenient pregnancies, or to mythologize aspects of state power. Under Christianity kings were no longer semi-divine, but they still ruled by divine right. Theorists like David Icke could argue that the "gods" were indeed aliens, especially when one considers the myths of women impregnated by divine "serpents" (see my link above). Whatever the case, they probably had clear characteristics that made a person semi-divine, such as extraordinary wisdom, or powers of conquest, while others just assumed those characteristics by claiming to be of semi-divine birth.

Unfortunately Christianity eventually banned the pagan beliefs, and destroyed or stole their temples, so if you really want to know how they saw it, you would need a time machine. They also suppressed all the rival narratives of Christ's birth. So the only faith from that region that still has a central God who was born both human and divine is Christianity (following the typical divine father/human mother pattern). They would be the best people to ask on a being that is both human and divine.

look...none ever said Jesus was of pagan origins...only the trappings of modern Christianity. It is well documented, all you have to do is search with an intelligent mind to see the truth. Damn such ignorance abounds.

I am highly religious and can see the truth, don't be clouded by some faith that you have been given, it is not the "whole" truth...Christmas, Easter, can all be traced to Pagan roots. The Sun God and the Goddess Astarte the goddess of fertility...give me a break... If you want to observe true Christian rituals...go to the Hebrew celebrations, that is what Christ observed...Passover,is where it starts...don't be fooled by the deceiver.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Show me in the bible where the date "December 25th" is mentioned.

reply to post by yaluk


So by "checking", you mean you researched the claims yourself from nonbiased sources, reviewing the history and translations, the etymology of those translations and found zero overlap in comparing the two religions?

There are no "new claims" that prove that Christianity borrowed from Mithraism, because they aren't needed. The old claims haven't been disproven yet. The point I was making in my previous posts was that it doesn't matter if Christianity borrowed its story from older stories, as Mithraism itself borrowed from older religions and myths, all that matters is that people gain something from these stories if they feel they need to.
For many people religion isn't necessary, for many many more it is; and there is a religion out there to suit just about anyone who needs that extra guidance or support, that belief system to keep them going. My only problem with religion is that it is often times used as a tool of thievery and war against other humans, when it should be used as a tool of education and guidance for those who are lost.

Originally posted by Andronian
look...none ever said Jesus was of pagan origins...only the trappings of modern Christianity. It is well documented, all you have to do is search with an intelligent mind to see the truth. Damn such ignorance abounds.

I am highly religious and can see the truth, don't be clouded by some faith that you have been given, it is not the "whole" truth...Christmas, Easter, can all be traced to Pagan roots. The Sun God and the Goddess Astarte the goddess of fertility...give me a break... If you want to observe true Christian rituals...go to the Hebrew celebrations, that is what Christ observed...Passover,is where it starts...don't be fooled by the deceiver.

Well said.

reply to post by GmoS719


that is not entirely true either. We know that Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem during the Census by Ceasar Augustus. He had 2 census' one in and around 1 B.C. and around 4 B.C., the bible never specifies which exact one this was. On top of that.....I believe it is in Luke..but I could be totally wrong...one of the books of the apostles states that when Jesus was going to Jerusalem for the passover (the one in which he would be arrested and crucified) that he was at about his 30th or 33rd year...so...we know for certain that he was born around 1-4 B.C. and that his birth year would be in fact around the time of the Passover.

reply to post by Beamish


your arguing just for argument sake..which is both childish and immature and gives nothing to this thread. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that what he meant was.....Jesus' story does not in any way mimic Mithra..as many try to claim. Anyone with a sense of common sense would know that what he was saying is that the story of Mithra claims..Mithra was born from a rock...not a virgin girl as Jesus was. Grow up.

Is there any real proof that Jesus existed? I did a little research and the scholars of the time never mentioned anything about Jesus. If there was a son of God wandering around it would have been big news.

do people just not get it? ALL religion is astrological and please dont say "research it" i have been for about 15 years, and everything in religion is a symbolic representation of the oldest religion, astrology. Why do christians care what other people believe? And why do they not practice what the Christ Being taught about, forgiveness, compassion, basically just being a good person (like not judging others for what they believe). Not once does the bible (or christ) say worship me, he say "do what i do, follow my ways" the ways of a good human. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE, IT MATTER WHAT YOU DO!

Why is that so hard to understand?

John 14:12
"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

Im not even christian and im more christian then most...

reply to post by Alchemysenior

well said
orion returns
the second coming he is now settling lower on the horizon

Originally posted by britelite1971
Pretty obvious isn't it?? Where is your proof that Jesus didn't exist and that He's not the Messiah?

Real - legitimate - historical fact.

But that is NOT the subject of this thread. Perhaps you should try addressing the title.