Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!

I just want to know why there is 40 pages debating a mythical person from a book full of lies???
Maybe I'll get 100 pages and a million starts and flags if I start a thread on why the Easter Bunny is not a knock off of Judaism or something stupid like that.

reply to post by ldyserenity


LdySerenity, like Jesus or not the fact is that He influences a lot of people and there is a lot to discuss. Also the fact that this thread has to do with whether or not it came from pagan sources. But yeah if you want stars and flags you can create any threads you want No one is stopping you..well except for maybe the moderators

Originally posted by ldyserenity
I just want to know why there is 40 pages debating a mythical person from a book full of lies???

Maybe I'll get 100 pages and a million starts and flags if I start a thread on why the Easter Bunny is not a knock off of Judaism or something stupid like that.

Who is the mythical person? I am probably amongst the least "religious" persons..but i do actually believe that Jesus lived. Whether i believe what is written in the bible by some monks...is a total different story. But there is no reason to assume that Jesus is mythical, IMO.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
I just want to know why there is 40 pages debating a mythical person from a book full of lies???

Maybe I'll get 100 pages and a million starts and flags if I start a thread on why the Easter Bunny is not a knock off of Judaism or something stupid like that.

You have a lot of angst there about the Easter Bunny. Why have so much hatred toward fertility, eggs and chocolate?

What I mean is that, if Jesus shows up but he's inside an easter bunny costume, giving out fertility, food, and candy, just like the Easter Bunny does, then will you see that Jesus is a very cool man from history?

You must understand: When Jesus lived, the Easter Bunny had not yet been born onto Earth. Therefore, it is safe to assume (100% true I assume) that Jesus would have happily dressed up as both the Easter Bunny, and Santa himself, if those myths had existed when Jesus lived. But sadly, they did not.

Therefore, rather than hating Jesus alone, you seem to lump the Easter Bunny in with your hatred. Truly, what is there to hate about rabbits, and breeding, and candy, and gentleness? Jesus and the Easter Bunny are great paradigms for humans, and though there are differences in each of their beings and each of their embodiments (one is animal-humanoid, one is just human) one can surely see that there needs to be an admitting that Jesus loves eggs, candy, and children in their Sunday best. Therefore, I assume there will be churches in the future, where the Easter Bunny is seated at the highest position?

Would you similarly reject the philosophy of the Easter Bunny church as well? Even when they just come outright and give out free eggs, free candy, and fertility (children being born) to the people, and even when the Easter Bunny rules the world, will you still be so obstinate? Because I see Jesus and the Easter Bunny as more of a father-and-son type of relationship, almost like a holy trinity when you bring Mrs. Claus into it. It's way more complex than your simplification. But sure, get the thread page count up to 500 and let's see what develops. Follow through on your idea, it's a good one.

fact:

The pagan "stories" are the copy of Christ
In fact its all the same guy in differant parts of the world = Your Jesus is the prototype for the neverending story

Originally posted by alexagendajones

fact:

The pagan "stories" are the copy of Christ
In fact its all the same guy in differant parts of the world = Your Jesus is the prototype for the neverending story

Um alexagendajones, hi first. That really incorrect because Pagan have been around a lot longer than Christianity. Christianity is only a couple thousand years old. Pagans have been with us since 10,000 BC or 45,000 BC (dates vary, some even go back farther). Its older than Judiasm. Its really pretty much the first spiritual view or close. Its also the term used by Jews and Christians for anyone that doesn't believe in their God. If you have another God you are a Pagan. Its has to be the God of Israel or its labelled Pagan.

reply to post by LunaKat


You have it clear, LunaKat, We are the Power, not some in the sky God figure. That is the BIG SECRET the church is hiding from us. "Have faith in God," they say. "Where is God," you ask, "Out there, in Heaven," (an undefined place) so the poor person is left to think the only one with the power to heal their sick child is to petition an unknown god who lives in an unknown place and time.

We are the Power. I have seen it in Church, (the real reason for mega churches) and I have seen it in Circle, whether a prayer or a spell, the intent and the power is exactly the same thing.

My son does not see what he can do as a "gift," more like a mission.
He tells me that there is a scientific method at work here, and rearranging of molecules in the human he is touching does the trick. I first noticed this in him when he was about 4 years old. I would come home from work in the garage, with a sore back, he would come up and lay on me, as I laid on the sofa. I noticed that I could feel the pain melt away, and go right up into the little boy on my chest. I encouraged this in him, and he took it and made it a reality.

If Humanity ever wakes up to the fact that it is they who are the real power, look out universe! Even the Gods would get back. We together could shake the very foundations of the universe, and do anything we wanted to.

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by LunaKat

 

You have it clear, LunaKat, We are the Power, not some in the sky God figure. That is the BIG SECRET the church is hiding from us. "Have faith in God," they say. "Where is God," you ask, "Out there, in Heaven," (an undefined place) so the poor person is left to think the only one with the power to heal their sick child is to petition an unknown god who lives in an unknown place and time.

We are the Power. I have seen it in Church, (the real reason for mega churches) and I have seen it in Circle, whether a prayer or a spell, the intent and the power is exactly the same thing.

My son does not see what he can do as a "gift," more like a mission.
He tells me that there is a scientific method at work here, and rearranging of molecules in the human he is touching does the trick. I first noticed this in him when he was about 4 years old. I would come home from work in the garage, with a sore back, he would come up and lay on me, as I laid on the sofa. I noticed that I could feel the pain melt away, and go right up into the little boy on my chest. I encouraged this in him, and he took it and made it a reality.

If Humanity ever wakes up to the fact that it is they who are the real power, look out universe! Even the Gods would get back. We together could shake the very foundations of the universe, and do anything we wanted to.

Healing is really interesting and you are probably right about those mega-churches. Never thought of it that way. But like with your son, you don't even need a mega-church..it can work well in small groups too (?) the kind he does? It was good that you spotted it in him early on so that it could be developed.

I'm with ya on the part that its us that has the power.. but in general what about a transcendent God what do you think? Exists or not? And bringing this back to the topic Jesus did say anyone could what he does..but somehow that went astray into thinking he pretty much was the only one could do it. Or no wait, that our efforts are not nearly equal to His -- we don't have the same confidence in our own abilities. I wonder if thats because what was left out of the Bible was that there were other believers around him focusing too, maybe that He wasn't always acting on his own (?)

reply to post by arpgme

It is true that December 25 is a Pagan thing for the solstice, BUT, Jesus could NOT be born in the winter if you read The Bible...

The bible doesn't even state what day Jesus was born. If you look at the only two gospels that mention the birth of Jesus, then you will see that no one actually knows what year he was born either (presuming he actually was real - but that's a whole different argument)

Only two of the gospels even mention Jesus’ birth. Matthew tells us it happened during the reign of Herod the Great. Luke tells us it was when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Which is a problem, since Herod died c. 4 B.C., and Quirinius wasn’t governor until 6 A.D., so one (or both!) of them can’t be right…

reply to post by LunaKat


Well for one im Agnostic. We dont know how the Universe came to be and we can never know unless a deity makes it self known. But if your trying to get people to accept any theory you have to provide Evidence to back it up or your essentially laughed out the room unless your talking about God which deals with Stories and Fairytales and doesnt need any Evidence to be believed.

reply to post by LunaKat

I read Conversations with God years back. I think after it first came out. What I did like about the book is that it does show we can all talk to God (or Goddess or the Divine) ourselves and get our own answers. And I think he succeeds at showing people everyone can do that.

I read those books too! What a writer! Neale Donald Walsch really laid it on the line in those books. The man also starred in a movie, in case you are interested in these things:
Indigo: A Film Of Faith, Family & An Extraordinary Child

I know there are some in here that damn to hell anyone who says anything about Indigos, it seems the word itself is bad. But the little girl in the film will touch your heart. See it if you can.

Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by LunaKat

 

Well for one im Agnostic. We dont know how the Universe came to be and we can never know unless a deity makes it self known. But if your trying to get people to accept any theory you have to provide Evidence to back it up or your essentially laughed out the room unless your talking about God which deals with Stories and Fairytales and doesnt need any Evidence to be believed.

I'm not disagreeing with you Zeer0. I wish too for some hard evidence, man I wish for that. It would put an end to all this one way or another. Fairytales..interesting. Theres truth in those too. And then there is the question of what constitutes Evidence? Is it the same for you and me or anyone else?

Right now I believe in the God of typos..cause chances are good I will send this and then find I made some

Originally posted by alexagendajones

fact:

The pagan "stories" are the copy of Christ
In fact its all the same guy in differant parts of the world = Your Jesus is the prototype for the neverending story

Excuse me? Are you saying Christianity is older that the Pagan religions? Need I provide a history lesson?
10 Christ Like Figures that Pre-Date Jesus

The Mythology of Christ

The Origins of Christianity

I suppose now you will tell me Earth is only 6000 years old? Even the Bible bespeaks of an older time before Christ.

Originally posted by autowrench

I read those books too! What a writer! Neale Donald Walsch really laid it on the line in those books. The man also starred in a movie, in case you are interested in these things:
Indigo: A Film Of Faith, Family & An Extraordinary Child

I know there are some in here that damn to hell anyone who says anything about Indigos, it seems the word itself is bad. But the little girl in the film will touch your heart. See it if you can.

I haven't seen this movie but I'll keep that in mind. And I will admit I'm one that doesn't buy into the whole Indigo thing. Mostly what I've seen about that comes by way of Doreen Virtue. Some stuff she talks about I'm cool with but the Indigo thing I just don't know. The whole thing about Indigos being rebellious and challenging authority..heck they weren't the first to do that. That alone got me in a fair of trouble and I'm older than Indigos (in fact I think according to her I'm Starseed but I don't identify with that). But I will take your word for it that its a good film and if I get the chance will watch it.

i am not good with english so i read it this way ('bout)

Ye-sve --Is NOT a Total copy from old,, Pagan,, and other kind of religions! Those are all lies!

sve = all
ye
ye and me = we .. so yesve = yes-we are not a total copy - or are we?

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by arpgme

 

It is true that December 25 is a Pagan thing for the solstice, BUT, Jesus could NOT be born in the winter if you read The Bible...

The bible doesn't even state what day Jesus was born. If you look at the only two gospels that mention the birth of Jesus, then you will see that no one actually knows what year he was born either (presuming he actually was real - but that's a whole different argument)

Only two of the gospels even mention Jesus’ birth. Matthew tells us it happened during the reign of Herod the Great. Luke tells us it was when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Which is a problem, since Herod died c. 4 B.C., and Quirinius wasn’t governor until 6 A.D., so one (or both!) of them can’t be right…

I said before in another post that we can about guess the month of His birth. We know He was 33 1/2 years old when He was crucified. We know He was crucified at Passover, so counting back 6 months from then, it would have been at Sept./Oct. as the Jewish months start in the middle of the Gregorian months.

Herod Antipas was ruler at the time of Jesus. He was the son of Herod the Great.

Luke 1:5 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea...

Herod Antipas was the king, not Herod the Great.

Herod Antipater (Greek: Ἡρῴδης Ἀντίπατρος, Hērǭdēs Antipatros; born before 20 BC – died after 39 AD), known by the nickname Antipas, was a 1st-century AD ruler of Galilee and Perea, who bore the title of tetrarch ("ruler of a quarter"). He is best known today for accounts in the New Testament of his role in events that led to the executions of John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazareth. After inheriting his territories when the kingdom of his father Herod the Great was divided upon his death in 4 BC, Antipas ruled them as a client state of the Roman Empire. He was responsible for building projects at Sepphoris and Betharamphtha, and more important for the construction of his capital Tiberias on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee. Named in honor of his patron, the emperor Tiberius, the city later became a center of rabbinic learning. Antipas divorced his first wife Phasaelis, the daughter of King Aretas IV of Nabatea, in favour of Herodias, who had formerly been married to his brother Herod Philip I. According to the New Testament Gospels, it was John the Baptist's condemnation of this arrangement that led Antipas to have him arrested; John was subsequently put to death. Besides provoking his conflict with the Baptizer, the tetrarch's divorce added a personal grievance to previous disputes with Aretas over territory on the border of Perea and Nabatea. The result was a war that proved disastrous for Antipas; a Roman counter-offensive was ordered by Tiberius, but abandoned upon that emperor's death in 37 AD. In 39 AD Antipas was accused by his nephew Agrippa I of conspiracy against the new Roman emperor Caligula, who sent him into exile in Gaul. Accompanied there by Herodias, he died at an unknown date.

Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by randyvs

 

Where do i start??

1. The world is not 6000 years old.

2. Snakes cant talk

3. The first people were born in Africa

4. The story of Noah arc is not even possible because it would be impossible to get every species on the Planet on a boat and if such a feat were possible the animals would have been eating eachother....Simple Logic

5. You cant live in a fish belly for 3 days. You will be dissolved by stomach acids.

Etc, etc..

Please provide me some Evidence that points to a God.

No science says these things are impossible for you and I. I'm quite sure science would consider that God would have to have the kind of power over nature, ( his creation ) to make these things possible where and when he so chooses. Or we wouldn't be talking about God in the first place. Evidence ? Please open your mind ?

Everything is evidence

reply to post by autowrench

If Humanity ever wakes up to the fact that it is they who are the real power, look out universe! Even the Gods would get back. We together could shake the very foundations of the universe, and do anything we wanted to.

This sounds great. I only see one minor detail of concern.... This isn't what is happening !

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by autowrench

 

If Humanity ever wakes up to the fact that it is they who are the real power, look out universe! Even the Gods would get back. We together could shake the very foundations of the universe, and do anything we wanted to.

This sounds great. I only see one minor detail of concern.... This isn't what is happening !

Archimedes once said "Give me a long enough lever and I will move the world". Did he mean it literally or figuratively?
Archimedes and the lever

Do you suppose Archimedes could have indeed been able to move the earth? Why did I put this into a religious forum? People are always attempting to debunk faith with the umbrella term of reason and stating that we should always use reason and logic and that God does not exist because it does not seem reasonably logical. But one of the greatest scientists ever, on which scientists today still look to Archimedes, made a statement that was so reasonably illogical and yet the concept of the possibility is still there and in theory would work because of the laws of physics.

That's the problem with reasonable logic, it works in theory on paper but the truth is it takes a lot of faith to attempt what is illogical.

Another illogical idea is this...deaf people cannot appreciate music, and yet Beethoven was deaf. It seems reasonably logical that deaf people cannot hear the music or people talking and therefore unable to appreciate even the smallest sounds around them, Beethoven defied reason to become one of the greatest composers ever.
Beethoven's deafness

And with music, let me just add this, if it is reasonable that a person must see in order to learn how to play musical instruments, then Jose Feliciano, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Ronnie Milsap have defied that reasonable logic.

I am sorry, but reason and logic only work in theory. There are things that defy logic, and that includes God. When you discount humanity, that has been endued with the desire to transcend this existence and fellowship with a greater transcendent being, then you are illogical. I think all of us in here can appreciate those transcendent things that not only have divine origins (such as music), but take us into divine places. Listen to good music and you will see what I mean. Look at how the sun light changes color as it sinks over water, and you will see what I mean. And look at how babies just melt the hearts of people who love them. Those things are divine because a divine being thought well enough of us to give us those things to look at, appreciate and remember who gave them to us.

reply to post by WarminIndy


WarminIndy most excellent post. I've read it twice now and did a little think on it. Gonna go back in awhile, re-read it and do a bigger think Yeah it is illogical about God but logic has its limitations. And along those lines somewhat I love the quote by Einstein on imagination:

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

Its that willingness to look outside the box. God or Goddess or Universe isn't all wrapped up in neat little packages. Our best discoveries start with a leap into the unknown.