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Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
reply to post by autowrench
Place the mother back on the throne?
She should've never been taken off.
You've got my vote on that I'd prefer to see a Doni than a cross.
I once asked my Art History Professor that if I look like the Venus of Willendorf, does that make me a goddess?
I look just like the Venus of Willendorf. And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses. Yes, fertility goddesses always implied sex. It makes me believe there were women like me back then, our ancestors were not all skinny and thin as historians want us to believe. Venus of Willendorf, the sex symbol....(but not so much me, life is more than fertility rites).
ETA: I am not exactly as fat as the Venus of Willendorf, she has quite a few pounds more than me, but you know what I mean..edit on 12/7/2011 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by StormingHeaven
reply to post by WarminIndy
You completely missed the point: Love! You cannot hate, be impatient, unkind, cruel, disrespectful. Anything not of love is not of God. And you would be happy with an eternity in darkness??? You will see the "light", the true love of God, at which point your sin/guilt will cause you to be cast from his presence. For in His presence no darkness will exist. I say no pleasure/pain because those are human emotions. You will have an emptiness. You will be in utter darkness that you could taste and feel if you had a body. The darkness alone would be torture, then you add the eternity part. Christian for years have abused His name for their own gain. That's why out of the whole world only EIGHT people were saved in Noahs day. Why only 144,000 saved in our day. Love. Such a simple concept. Love Him, love others.
Originally posted by dalan.
Originally posted by britelite1971
reply to post by dalan.
You atheists never cease to amaze me. When someone posts a thread about christianity you are drawn right into it. Nice witnessing to you! Enjoy!
So? Its the same reason why a person would be drawn to a freak show, they want to witness the retardation first-hand. There is not much of a difference between a Christian and a cow. Christians are just talking cows. Hence the freak show.
The threads just remind me of my childhood and all of the years I spent in the church. I didn't realize as a child that 90% of the adults that were in my life suffered from down syndrome. Most of the people I remember being born again could barely count to potato. But its impressive for a cow to get that far.
Its easy to use a prod to direct cattle.
I wish I had the option to choose between 100% beef or 100% fundamentalist, whenever I order a Big Mac from McDonalds.
Its going to be super funny when you die and can't find Jesus in the astral plane.
In fact, I am going to go project for fun and lol at your impending anguish when you realize your entire identity is a lie. You should probably pray we never meet in the astral plane. There are no Cops in the astral plane, and the rules for reality are a little different.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Re: The historical Jesus. I presume that all the other characters must have been made up also, from Paul (Saul of Tarsus), to his elder contemporary Peter (desciple of Jesus), to Cephias the high priest, Pontias Pilate, John the Baptist, Mother Mary and Joseph, the whole lot of them, but for starters, isn't there historical evidence of Peter having been crucified upside down..?
Re: Jesus' Divinity: If the human being may be thought of, spiritually or in terms of consciousness, as not unlike a sphere within a sphere (research holographic mind/universe and monistic idealism ie: consciousness is primary) then is it outside the realm of concievable that Jesus could have been "reborn from above" or from the outer sphere, to the inner, with perfection, wholeness and integrity?
Re: Sphere within a sphere with perfection, wholeness and integrity..
what do we see at the Vatican but this..
"The Broken Sphere"
Looks to me like their motto is "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". How pathetic and disgraceful, and cowardly.
Out of fairness and giving them the "benefit of the doubt" that could symbolize the power of the spirit of the all-good father of love breaking through creation to reach Jesus, but to me it looks like an image of a type of theft or hijacking, although I could be wrong.
Originally posted by StormingHeaven
reply to post by WarminIndy
Yes I do believe there will be multitudes in Heaven. In the end times however, after the death, destruction, plague, persecution, and the great apostasy I believe we'll be down to 144,000 true believers.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by colbe
I am past looking to my parents for answeres I grew up a long time ago. My children understand this very well though. They are not bound to a corrupt decietfull organization like a church and they are better for it.
I never said anything about a devil why would I? Such a thing does not exist except in the minds of men who claim to serve god but only corrupt any teachings there may have been.
I am afraid in this lifetime you will never understand mostly because you chose not to.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by autowrench
Do you think that Jesus was a real historical figure? Just curious.
source
Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!
The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua) bin Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’).
Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.
Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, (Emphasis mine) about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus:
Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes: Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover.
Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.
Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely: "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."– Josephus, Wars 6.3.
Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult. Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66).
When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee. Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds. Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.
But was there a crucified Jesus? Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.
Place the mother back on the throne? She should've never been taken off.
Given the fact that some of them did believe in His divinity, what's your point?
I am very aware of history. Obviously you may have read a few lines of a Wikipedia entry, but understand what you are spouting off before posting it.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by autowrench
You are the one with a vision of your own mother in hell who still hasn't done the work of forgiveness. Just say'n.
And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by WarminIndy
And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.
Excuse me? I will agree some men think like that. But not I. My wife is a 220 pound goddess in her own right. To me she is most beautiful, and these skinny girls? Like Corvettes, like to see them roll by, but would not have one in my garage.
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by autowrench
Do you think that Jesus was a real historical figure? Just curious.
Why yes, I am quite aware of the many Jesus men of the time:
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by WarminIndy
And what is funny is that today we look at skinny women as the sex goddesses.
Excuse me? I will agree some men think like that. But not I. My wife is a 220 pound goddess in her own right. To me she is most beautiful, and these skinny girls? Like Corvettes, like to see them roll by, but would not have one in my garage.
That's funny, I have not seen one playmate of the year who weighed that much and Playboy magazine is holding steady in sales. I never see a heavy woman in any Victoria's Secret commercial. It's easy for men to say they love their overweight wives or girlfriends, but men still buy Playboy, so there is still something to this culture's panting over skinny girls.
OK, maybe you don't, but the biggest percentage of straight men in this country still worship skinny women. Even those men who have overweight wives and girlfriends.edit on 12/8/2011 by WarminIndy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by autowrench
You are the one with a vision of your own mother in hell who still hasn't done the work of forgiveness. Just say'n.
Well, anyone who lives in such a world, and believe so strongly in it's principles would surely travel to the place they have heard so much about during their times in Church? Knowing what to expect is the key, friend. And no matter where you end up, you can leave anytime you wish, you just have to want to leave. And be sure to ask questions of the Light.
Originally posted by colbe
Disbelievers, agnostics, atheists are like little children in a way. They object,
they protest and never add anything loving or positive themselves. Don't be
that way. They're like Christmas Scrooges.
colbe
Originally posted by LunaKat
Originally posted by colbe
Disbelievers, agnostics, atheists are like little children in a way. They object,
they protest and never add anything loving or positive themselves. Don't be
that way. They're like Christmas Scrooges.
colbe
Nothing positive? Nothing loving? Hmmm beg to differ. They make you think. They make you look at your conclusions in new ways to see how sound they are. They also sometimes help us lighten up a bit. I personally admire the atheist. They take what is usually viewed as a unpopular stand and stick by it, are willing to discuss it and unlike many in the various religions they aren't just paying lip service. We grow by being willing to talk with people not always like ourselves. Its all good.