8 years old boy from Canada says Jesus told him we will hide in caves soon

547000, hi,

I wish you wouldn't take a negative stance on the messages from Heaven. The yet to be approved. God hasn't been silent since Akita.

The world is a mess, it's getting darker and it's not because we hear about evil much faster with the Internet. It's the end times. There is
a lot of prophecy, Heaven is helping the faithful to persevere.

About the refuges...

Spoiled American that I am, I can't see myself at refuge and/or cave
for very long. A weekend, a week, two, okay?

I think of my mother, I said to her once, hospitals are scary, no privacy, they won't leave you alone. And she replied. "Colbe, when you're very sick, you are happy to be in a hospital."

This is how it will be wherever the places of refuge are in the Great
Tribulation. We will be happy to be there, no matter how rustic.

And the prophetic states, there will be martyrs, as in the early Church so not everyone will make it to the refuges. Whatever God's Will.

547000, I was praying a novena recently. The prayer I said
every day spoke of Jesus' birth place. It said the stable was actually
a cave. I knew this but had forgotten. That fact really helped me.



take care and blessings,


colbe

reply to post by Gliese581


I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

Originally posted by colbe
547000, hi,

I wish you wouldn't take a negative stance on the messages from Heaven. The yet to be approved. God hasn't been silent since Akita.

The world is a mess, it's getting darker and it's not because we hear about evil much faster with the Internet. It's the end times. There is
a lot of prophecy, Heaven is helping the faithful to persevere.

About the refuges...

Spoiled American that I am, I can't see myself at refuge and/or cave
for very long. A weekend, a week, two, okay?

I think of my mother, I said to her once, hospitals are scary, no privacy, they won't leave you alone. And she replied. "Colbe, when you're very sick, you are happy to be in a hospital."

This is how it will be wherever the places of refuge are in the Great
Tribulation. We will be happy to be there, no matter how rustic.

And the prophetic states, there will be martyrs, as in the early Church so not everyone will make it to the refuges. Whatever God's Will.

547000, I was praying a novena recently. The prayer I said
every day spoke of Jesus' birth place. It said the stable was actually
a cave. I knew this but had forgotten. That fact really helped me.



take care and blessings,


colbe

I take a very skeptical stance. I once went to a charismatic church and the pastor told me the cross was a vain idol and he cut off someone's rosary beads. Whatever spirit moved him, I don't think it was the Holy Spirit.

The cave bit is in the joyful mysteries of the rosary. I pray it twice a day. I think it's a really helpful prayer to learn more about the Lord and Mary. Many people blaspheme her, the Lord's mother by denying her virginity and disregarding her immaculate conception.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

To be fair Revelation talks about people hiding in caves to hide from the Lord.

Also, before the protestant reformers, every Christian believed Mary was assumed bodily into heaven. She is the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, with a crown of twelve stars. Because protestants discount sacred tradition, they do not know of her assumption into heaven.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

I have a hard time believing anything that comes from people who worship idols and the Queen of Heaven Astarte.

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

To be fair Revelation talks about people hiding in caves to hide from the Lord.

Also, before the protestant reformers, every Christian believed Mary was assumed bodily into heaven. She is the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, with a crown of twelve stars. Because protestants discount sacred tradition, they do not know of her assumption into heaven.

Thats the constellation virgo and it's a part of the prophecy of the star gospel. It's a prophecy about the birth of Jesus it does not mean she is the literal Queen of Heaven which would make her a goddess and is pagan worship. Catholics take Mary way too far and give her far too much credit for what God has done. They give her his glory and thats just one of their many mistakes.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Did/does Jesus establish a Davidic kingdom or not? If so Mary would be the queen of heaven. I recommend you read writings of the early church fathers, who were educated by the apostles. In reality there were things not written in the bible directly.

Double post

reply to post by 547000

Did/does Jesus establish a Davidic kingdom or not?

The obvious answer would be no, unless you were take themes from the kingly biblical literature and spiritualize it, meaning to take things described in a physical way and to understand then metaphorically.

Hi 547000 and everyone replying this evening,

Mary is from the line of David and she is the Queen of Heaven. Remember,
it is the mother who is queen in the Old Testament.

Scripture itself, says not all of God's revelation is "written" in the Bible.
First came "oral" tradition, the Apostles and their succesors passing down Jesus' teachings before the "written" Word in the 4th century, 383 A.D.

You will never find the verse in Scripture to confirm "Sola Scriptura." It's not there. It came from Martin Luther. You gotta change on this or you'll lose a lot spiritually.

Ann and Joachim are the parents of Mary. I know from reading,
Heli is another name for Joachim. Read a brief Catholic apologist's
explaining... From Catholic Treasure Chest ~

+ + +

Saint Luke has quite a different account of the genealogy of Jesus Christ. He wrote his Gospel to address the Gentiles who were not under the Mosaic Law, and for the most part were unfamiliar with it. He was also a physician, (Col 4:14). His interest, no doubt, was not in the legal aspect of the Genealogy of Jesus Christ, but of the human or natural bloodline, by depicting Jesus as the "Son of Man". Luke's Genealogy begins with Jesus Christ and goes backward in time, just the opposite of Matthew who started back and came forward. Luke's genealogy follows the custom of Private Records as explained above. Notice in Luke 3:23-38, that Luke's genealogy does go from Jesus Christ, through David, and back to Judah, continuing all the way to Adam, and then to GOD. By doing this he shows a tie between the "New Adam" (1Cor 15:45) and the first Adam. However, Luke shows the descendant of David to be Nathan (31), and not Solomon, as does Matthew. This alludes to the possibility that Luke's genealogy is for a different person other than Joseph. Let us have a closer look at verse 23 with three different Bibles.

"And Jesus Himself, when He began His work, was about thirty years of age, -being as was supposed- the Son of Joseph, the Son of Heli, the Son of Matthat."
Challoner-Rheims-Confraternity

"When Jesus began His ministry he was about thirty years of age. He was the Son, as was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat..."
New American Bible

"And Jesus Himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the Son of Joseph, which was the Son of Heli, which was the son of Matthat..."
King James

This verse at first reading might seem to say that we have something amiss:

1. This verse appears to say that the father of Joseph is Heli, yet in Matthew we just saw that it was Jacob. How can Joseph have two fathers?
In many places in Holy Scripture we must revert to the underlying Greek text in order to fully understand the verse. The Greek word used for "as was supposed, or, as was thought" is "Nomizo", which means:
1. To hold by custom or usage.
2. To follow by custom or usage.
3. It is the custom.
4. It is the received usage.
5. To deem, to think, to suppose.

This matter can be made clearer by interpreting the verse as:
"When Jesus began His ministry he was about thirty years of age. He was the Son (so it was thought, of Joseph) of Heli."

The underlying Greek text supports this interpretation as, "...Joseph son of Heli", in the English translation, simply reads, "...Joseph of Eli". The word 'son' before Heli, is not in the Greek text.
So in order to trace the bloodline of Jesus through Heli, we would first have to go through Mary, His mother. This shows that Heli would be the blood father of Mary, and the father in law of Joseph. Even though the name of Mary is not listed, in order to comply with Jewish custom, it is certainly implied.

Matthew 1:15, shows that Matthan is the father of Jacob, and Luke 3:23-24, show that Matthat was the father of Heli. It is not known if Matthan and Matthat are the same person. If they are the same person, that would indicate that Jacob and Heli could be brothers if they had the same mother, or half brothers if they had different mothers, or one of them could have even been adopted from the tribe of Judah. Julius Africanus (160-240) wrote in his Epistle to Aristides that Jacob and Heli were half brothers. The Bible makes no distinction between genetic birth and adoption. See 2Sam 6:23, where Michol the daughter of Saul and the wife of David (1Sam 18:27) had no children. Yet in 2Sam 21:8, it says Michol had five sons. In reality, they were adopted sons of Merob. Jacob was the genetic father of Joseph. Heli, the father of Mary, was Joseph's father in law, his legal father.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

Hi RevelationGeneration,


Hi, forget all the anti-Marian stuff you've read or heard. You believe
God grants charisms to holy people throughout Christian history,
well, the mother of Jesus, she would be one of them. She especially!
At the Great Warning, you may see her, I wish. After the Great Warning,
all Christians, non-Christians joining believers, converted atheists, we will all believe the same, no more division. When God reveals personally
to all who Mary is, you'll say...I understand!

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.


I wish, if you can, forget all the anti-Marian stuff you've read or heard. You believe God grants charisms (special gifts) to holy people throughout Christian history, well, the mother of Jesus, she would be one of them. She especially! At the Great Warning, you may see her, (MO). After the Great Warning, all Christians, non-Christians joining believers, converted atheists, the faithful, the Remnant will all believe the same, no more division. When God reveals personally to each of us who Mary is, you'll say...I see, I understand now.

Jesus' mother knew the Gospel writers personally. She told them not to write of her, the Gospel is about her Son. The Church would reveal later, through time about Mary.

Prophecy states some will but not everybody will be sheltered in literal "caves"...you will be guided to a place of refuge, prophecy mentions holy sites which include places of Mary's apparitions also. Have faith. To get there, you will be guided by your guardian angel. Ask him in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ to lead you and your family to the nearest refuge.

Evil men who will be rounding up the faithful to take them to the camps
They won't see you enroute or at these places of refuge. When things are badbefore they come to "chip" you and when you refuse, haul you off to the camps, have your to-go bag to leave for the Refuges. Like in the Old Testament, God protects believers, the faithful.

There's Scripture verses...I'll have to look...referring to "On Eagle's Wings."

colbe

Oops, sorry, I rewrote what I wanted to say about Mary and then
forgot to delete my first writing. Stupida....

I meant both from the heart RevelationGeneration.

the focus on cavern homes seems to increasing, and this is no coincidence.
finance.yahoo.com...

Revelation 6:15-17
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

i personally think its this prophecy being fulfilled. May God bless and protect those that seek Him through His Son, our Lord, Jesus Christ, during these times. God is always knocking, but it's you that chooses to close the door; I beg you to open the doors to your heart.

Originally posted by 547000
I take a very skeptical stance. I once went to a charismatic church and the pastor told me the cross was a vain idol and he cut off someone's rosary beads. Whatever spirit moved him, I don't think it was the Holy Spirit.

The cave bit is in the joyful mysteries of the rosary. I pray it twice a day. I think it's a really helpful prayer to learn more about the Lord and Mary. Many people blaspheme her, the Lord's mother by denying her virginity and disregarding her immaculate conception.

edit on 18-1-2012 by 547000 because: (no reason given)

547000,

The underlined, I understand, thanks. I am biased about the prophetic, my conversion came about because of Mary's appearance at Conyers.


I love the Rosary too. I wish everyone did, you receive much "grace"
in praying the Rosary. I keep repeating. You don't have to be Catholic to pray it.

It changes you for the good. You might begin by praying 1 decade a day
instead of five decades if it seems to much at first. A five decade rosary takes about 17 minutes to pray. It's a prayer of meditation. You think about Our Lord's life mainly and Mary's too. The joyful, sorrowful and glorious events we are all familiar with.

You can walk, if you are one to take a daily walk...and pray the Rosary.

Here's a how to...link: www.rosary-center.org...

If you don't have a rosary at first, don't be intimidated, count the
10 Hail Marys using your fingers.


love,

colbe

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 547000

 

Did/does Jesus establish a Davidic kingdom or not?

The obvious answer would be no, unless you were take themes from the kingly biblical literature and spiritualize it, meaning to take things described in a physical way and to understand then metaphorically.

You subscribe to a form of Marcionism so of course you don't see it.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I am a Christian but I have a hard time believing this was a true prophetic vision because I do not believe the Virgin Mary can appear to people, she was not an angel and only angels and God can appear to people and give prophecy.

There is also nothing in the bible that says we will hide in caves which further discredits this story.

To be fair Revelation talks about people hiding in caves to hide from the Lord.

Also, before the protestant reformers, every Christian believed Mary was assumed bodily into heaven. She is the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, with a crown of twelve stars. Because protestants discount sacred tradition, they do not know of her assumption into heaven.

Thats the constellation virgo and it's a part of the prophecy of the star gospel. It's a prophecy about the birth of Jesus it does not mean she is the literal Queen of Heaven which would make her a goddess and is pagan worship. Catholics take Mary way too far and give her far too much credit for what God has done. They give her his glory and thats just one of their many mistakes.

Oh and look up Ivory Coast. Mary is the women clothed with the sun.

reply to post by colbe


"Anti-Marian" - is that another Catholic Invention? Because we protestants are certainly not against Mary. We simply do not exalt her above Jesus like catholics do, to do so would be unbiblical and idolatry. Mary is not a diety and should not be treated like one. I bet that she will be displeased with the way catholics worship her. Mary is Jesus' mother, we know perfectly well who she is. I do not consider those who worship Mary above Jesus to be true Christians it is not necessary to keep the sacraments for salvation. When Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED" I believe what he said.

I would ask what happens to those people who are not geographically near any caves during the tribulation period.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Yet another "prediction" that fails to pass, so we get back to haggling over bible interpretations in the hope of discovering the date of our annihilation, when everybody knows that nobody knows when it's gonna come. Seriously folks, don;t ya ever get tired of all the false starts and dashed hopes? Just be alive and stop worrying about it.

whoops wrong reply button, didnt mean to respond to anyone in particular!

reply to post by Gigatronix


Exactly!

The Bible says this:

Matthew 24:36 - "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only"

reply to post by Gigatronix

. . . when everybody knows that nobody knows when it's gonna come.

Jesus was speaking in a metaphorical sense which he fully explained, that we are to be prepared for judgment at all times and not to think that we have time, later, to set things right before there is an accounting.
The Apocalypse happened and Revelation explains how the Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in the events surrounding the life and death and resurrection and the coming to power of the Kingdom of God.