8 years old boy from Canada says Jesus told him we will hide in caves soon

Originally posted by gabby2011
Christ had many messages.. and to only focus on one..yet deny the others is foolish.

I focus on the one I am given to focus on my friend. I have never denied any of Christ's teachings, but only exemplify the one I have been given to exemplify. Why begrudge me for what I have been given when you could be sharing what you have been given?

Go. Exemplify Christ's other teachings if it has been given to you to do so.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


whatever you choose to focus on is your choice...

I think I will choose to focus on the messages this 8 year old boy has been given to share with us.

I think there may be much truth to them..

Originally posted by jcord
Demons are really infatuated with taking the form of the non-virgin Mary.

Demons are infatuated with taking the form of the virgin Mary because they despise her.. and what she has brought to into this world for the salvation of souls.... Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

whatever you choose to focus on is your choice...

I think I will choose to focus on the messages this 8 year old boy has been given to share with us.

I think there may be much truth to them..

You are right. There may be more realism to an 8 year olds dreams than the reality right in front of our faces that this world is of our own making.

Why do you need an 8 year old to tell you we will soon hide in caves when the evidence is clear that we are hiding in our own caves as we speak.

What a world.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

You are right. There may be more realism to an 8 year olds dreams than the reality right in front of our faces that this world is of our own making. Why do you need an 8 year old to tell you we will soon hide in caves when the evidence is clear that we are hiding in our own caves as we speak. What a world. With Love, Your Brother

Like I said before.. you are free to choose your own path.. with whatever deception you wish to put out there.

My intuition about you tells me this is a facade you put up.. an inside joke.. right down to the picture in your avatar.

But aside of what my intuition tells me.. God will be your judge (the real you).. as He will judge all of us.. through the mercy and sacrifice of His Son..Jesus.

Originally posted by gabby2011
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

You are right. There may be more realism to an 8 year olds dreams than the reality right in front of our faces that this world is of our own making. Why do you need an 8 year old to tell you we will soon hide in caves when the evidence is clear that we are hiding in our own caves as we speak. What a world. With Love, Your Brother

Like I said before.. you are free to choose your own path.. with whatever deception you wish to put out there.

My intuition about you tells me this is a facade you put up.. an inside joke.. right down to the picture in your avatar.

But aside of what my intuition tells me.. God will be your judge (the real you).. as He will judge all of us.. through the mercy and sacrifice of His Son..Jesus.

I can understand, in this day and age, why you would distrust me. I expect it my friend.

All I can tell you is that I have put enough information out here on ATS for anyone to find out that I am who I say I am. It is all there for all to see. I hide from no one and need no one's approval. Approval is the only reason to decieve.

But, if you cannot trust what I say despite me being truthful about myself and my intentions, at least trust the Man you claim is the Lord and Savior.

I ask noone to do anything other than what HE asked that they do.

If you BELIEVE he is Lord, you should do as HE commanded.

If you BELIEVE that he is the Savior, do what he asked you to do.

If you cannot do what he asked, at least be man enough to admit you do not believe HE was the way, the truth, and the light.

Stop lying to yourself and the world.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

I ask noone to do anything other than what HE asked that they do.
If you BELIEVE he is Lord, you should do as HE commanded.
If you BELIEVE that he is the Savior, do what he asked you to do.
If you cannot do what he asked, at least be man enough to admit you do not believe HE was the way, the truth, and the light. Stop lying to yourself and the world.

what do you expect me to do?.. give away the meager possessions I have ? I am not rich.. like the man who came and asked him how to get into heaven.. This man was very rich..which is the reason Christ said these words to him.

Yet you continue to hammer on everyone ..that they need to give all their possessions away to truly follow the way of Christ..which is pure rubbish...if they have little to begin with. This is deception..and I do not need to lie to myself to see it as such.

For someone who takes the position of teacher with so many threads on this board.. I think you really need to understand that passage fully.. and why Christ said those words.

Christ also commanded that you do not commit adultery.... how does that teaching work within your life?

I know Christ does NOT want me to give away what meager possessions I have ..and He also knows I have given many things away in the past that I did not need.

When you can follow EVERYTHING Christ has commanded us to do.. perhaps then you can have some authority as to tell others what Christ demands them to do.

Originally posted by gabby2011
what do you expect me to do?.. give away the meager possessions I have ? I am not rich.. like the man who came and asked him how to get into heaven.. This man was very rich..which is the reason Christ said these words to him.

If the shoe does not fit, then do not wear it. If you are not guilty of being possessed by your possessions, then why disassociate with what I say?

Originally posted by gabby2011
Yet you continue to hammer on everyone ..that they need to give all their possessions away to truly follow the way of Christ..which is pure rubbish...if they have little to begin with. This is deception..and I do not need to lie to myself to see it as such.

So did Christ. What is your point? If you hate me for what I say, you must hate Christ for what he said. I only regurgitate what he already said.

Originally posted by gabby2011
For someone who takes the position of teacher with so many threads on this board.. I think you really need to understand that passage fully.. and why Christ said those words.

I am no man's teacher my friend. The teacher is within you. I am merely reiterating what he already taught.

Originally posted by gabby2011
Christ also commanded that you do not commit adultery.... how does that teaching work within your life?

Actually he said if you do not want your wife to commit adultery, do not put her away. In other words, do not give your wife a reason to commit adultery. Love them, and they will not seek love else where.

Originally posted by gabby2011
I know Christ does NOT want me to give away what meager possessions I have ..and He also knows I have given many things away in the past that I did not need.

Then scripture is in error?

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Originally posted by gabby2011
When you can follow EVERYTHING Christ has commanded us to do.. perhaps then you can have some authority as to tell others what Christ demands them to do.

Done.

Now will you join the club?

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I will continue to seek my own wisdom from the Holy Spirit..

and I see it is quite possible that the Holy Spirit is speaking through this 8 year old boy....and that is what I will focus on..

If you choose to focus elsewhere that is your choice.. but concerning this thread.. it will be what I focus on...became that is where I see the nuggets of truth..and not in your "regurgitation" and twistings of Christs words.

I will no longer reply to your "regurgitations".

reply to post by colbe

Are you going to wait until you are lying on your deathbed to believe? God is the source of all goodness and love. Change now, you can. Pray. Talk to God, this is how you begin. He will send you the grace to believe if you ask.

I have been on my deathbed, in fact, I was clinically dead for 18-20 minutes after a major heart attack. I did not see any God, I did not see Jesus, I didn't even see the Goddess. What I did see is the machinery that takes care of Spirits when they pass from life, and all of my dead relatives telling me to go back, I was not yet ready. Since that time I have had a few visits, one from my Grandfather, who "died" in 1952, and believe me he was no Christian! In fact, he loathed Christians and everything they stood for. I do not know why this is. Anyway, he looked to be about 30, in perfect health, and had lost his Black Lung coughing fits and bad back. He told me many things about the Afterlife, and wished me well on my journey there. I know, from a Christian perspective he was a demon in disguise, right? My point is, colbe, there are many things you do not know about.

And very important, Satan doesn't bring about a good. Would He appear as you say with the fruit of bringing a million +, who knows the numbers to conversion? No.

See, you speak like you really know what you are talking about, but what you say is just not true to me, only to you. Can you answer me a question then? Why is it when a Christian says they have seen and spoken to Jesus, it is always taken as truth, but when anyone sees or speaks to anything else, a Goddess, the Virgin Mary, an ET Being, these are always Demons? Who came up with this? I have been seeing the Dead for all of my life. You know, I cannot talk about this with hardly anyone without hearing that my relatives and friends are Demons! On a similar note, how many posts have you seen in this forum claiming all Alien Beings are Demons? Some people are obsessed with Demons.
Why is it Christians think they know it all?

Originally posted by autowrench
Why is it Christians think they know it all?

Because an enemy came and sowed weeds in with the grain my friend. Thus the world sees a garden full of weeds.

The weeding will begin soon enough. Then you will behold the garden as it was intended!



With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by colbe

 

Are you going to wait until you are lying on your deathbed to believe? God is the source of all goodness and love. Change now, you can. Pray. Talk to God, this is how you begin. He will send you the grace to believe if you ask.

I have been on my deathbed, in fact, I was clinically dead for 18-20 minutes after a major heart attack. I did not see any God, I did not see Jesus, I didn't even see the Goddess. What I did see is the machinery that takes care of Spirits when they pass from life, and all of my dead relatives telling me to go back, I was not yet ready. Since that time I have had a few visits, one from my Grandfather, who "died" in 1952, and believe me he was no Christian! In fact, he loathed Christians and everything they stood for. I do not know why this is. Anyway, he looked to be about 30, in perfect health, and had lost his Black Lung coughing fits and bad back. He told me many things about the Afterlife, and wished me well on my journey there. I know, from a Christian perspective he was a demon in disguise, right? My point is, colbe, there are many things you do not know about.

And very important, Satan doesn't bring about a good. Would He appear as you say with the fruit of bringing a million +, who knows the numbers to conversion? No.

See, you speak like you really know what you are talking about, but what you say is just not true to me, only to you. Can you answer me a question then? Why is it when a Christian says they have seen and spoken to Jesus, it is always taken as truth, but when anyone sees or speaks to anything else, a Goddess, the Virgin Mary, an ET Being, these are always Demons? Who came up with this? I have been seeing the Dead for all of my life. You know, I cannot talk about this with hardly anyone without hearing that my relatives and friends are Demons! On a similar note, how many posts have you seen in this forum claiming all Alien Beings are Demons? Some people are obsessed with Demons.
Why is it Christians think they know it all?

autowrench, hi, kind reply,

I don't know much, I think about Christ a lot and worry about others who don't and
wish they would realize the "times."

Sounds like you have a charism of seeing souls from over the veil. Why do you
call your "Grandfather" a demon, oh yeah, that's what you hear from others.

I'll reply to your question ~

a Goddess - never in all my years have I ever heard of anyone hearing from a
pagan goddess. They're not true/real, the reason why.

the Virgin Mary - partly, people, Christian and non-Christian deny prophecy and another, Catholic prejudice. Very soon, Protestants will see Mary too. Right now, she can't appear to them because of their beliefs. So, that's pride and why they (not all non-Catholic Christians) call her apparitions demonic. Pretty soon, it won't be that way, they too will have a devotion to Our Lord's mother. Everyone in the world will. Devotion is not worship,

an ET being - it's a mystery, maybe we will know soon. If there are beings on another planet, did Christ's death on the cross redeem them too? Important
theologically, redemption is not the same as justification, our salvation. One thing, look at their fruit. There is no good from whoever...aliens. I have read, i think one prophetic, UFOs, aliens are demonic.

I don't see souls from over the veil like you but sometimes I dream of them and
then I pray. They need prayer, not in Heaven yet but in Purgatory.

Search the mystic...Maria Simma. She was given the charism of being visited
by souls in Purgatory.

A good thing, since you've experienced a NDE type of mystical. The Great
Warning coming soon involves an NDE like revelation given to every person
on the earth. We will see our lives in review and the state of our souls.


colbe

the Ukrainian catholic bishop Danylak is said to hold Josephat's message received on Dec 1 for some kind of approval. I don't know anything more than that. Here is the link
translate.google.com... m%2Ft5950-un-grand-message-sera-donne-par-jesus-a-josephat-le-premier-decembre-2011-a-marmora

sorry g-trans don't work, you can copy and paste viens-seigneur-jesus.forumactif.com...

reply to post by colbe

an ET being - it's a mystery, maybe we will know soon. If there are beings on another planet, did Christ's death on the cross redeem them too? Important theologically, redemption is not the same as justification, our salvation. One thing, look at their fruit. There is no good from whoever...aliens. I have read, i think one prophetic, UFOs, aliens are demonic.

I was wondering about aliens as well colbe.. and I searched to see what saint pio.(padre pio for those who know him better by that name) had to say about them. I have so much respect for that man , and really wanted to know what he thought.. here were some words I found on the topic...quotes by padre pio.

“The Lord certainly did not limit His glory to this small Earth. On other planets other beings exist who did not sin and fall as we did." - St. Padre Pio of Pietrelcina (1887-1968), canonized June 16, 2002

I found that interesting.. it was taken from this link
www.ufoevidence.org...

here is another quote from the link made by Msgr Balducci ..but there is much more in the link..which is very interesting.

1. It is very well possible that other inhabited planets exist. We do not find any direct reference to extraterrestrial life in the Bible, but it neither excludes their existence. Since God's wisdom and omnipotence has no limits and is infinite indeed, this possibility doubtlessly exists.

indeed, why should we deny aliens? (or better say extraterrestrials because aliens means something else in USA). Only because we are Christians? Isn't the Bible full of account of angels with human and non-human form, and even flying devices? (Ezechiel, Elijah). How about the day when the sun stood still? How about the (evil) Nephilim in Genesis 6?

The "either -or" question imposed on the mass conscience of the faithful: "if you are catholic/christian therefore you must not believe aliens, because even if they exist they are devils incarnate" , smells like the time of Galileo. And to inquisition style of denial the truth from the position of power, and also self-proclaimed "God's position". Now we know how wrong they have been, how deadly wrong in many cases. Jane d'Arc is one of the few who were first burned and later honorably restored, even a saint. How many burnt people were not restored later??? I bet the catholics would call the heretics even today, and while not supporting the actual burning, they would support those people should be banned somehow. Thanks God we are not in the dark ages anymore! And if today there is not burning of people for their beliefs and their talks, still some "very devote catholics" would do everything to burn you psychologically and socially for a word said about ...in this case about extraterrestrials. Unfortunately some clergy follows that step, especially some that come from certain countries recently liberated from communism, that think they are the best of the best, and try to impose on the rest of catholics some medieval understanding of the scriptures that is not acceptable even in their own countries anymore. Perhaps those people would be glad to take a time machine with one way ticket.

Perhaps God didn't think like that when creating the literally billions upon billions of other worlds.

for the Catholics: pope Paul VI removed the two relevant paragraphs from the then canon law and allowed the faithful to spread supernatural private revelations (all these messages) without prior approval by the church. The new canon law from 1983 does not have any paragraphs to forbid that.

Here in the case of 8 y old Josephat we meet some action in opposite direction. A bishop (ukrainian catholic) hlds a message for approval. As I understand, only 10 people or so have been given the words of Josephat. Are the words so important, let say underground cities or may be extraterrestrials, that they are kept hidden for already a third week since Dec 1, 2011? I do not know the words, in first place. But if they were something common like convert from your sins to avoid coming punishment...etc talk that is pretty usual for apparitions, then they should have been released. There would be nothing dangerous for the status quo.

While we cannot make the mind of bishop change, we can make the difference by presenting the clear picture, so those faithful who are in contact with this seer, or with another one, to do what is right to do. And that is to inform the 1 billion catholics and not only them, of what allegedly Jesus has said. We are not so stupid as not to be able to discern by ourselves, should we believe those words, or are they something like a sect cult, as there were many cases, to move into the wilderness and even suicides. The denial of the bishop to the right of faithful to read in first place, speaks of how low intellectually we are considered by some of the clergy. Thanks God those are not at the top of the church. The church - that are we all who believe in Jesus Christ. Let not go back to the Middle ages, as I just have talked about (what a heresy!!!)

reply to post by Gliese581


I don't think that you understands God's promises to the Church or that some messages are deception.

Demons love turning people against authority. Let us see what Christ said regarding authority, even authority you may feel is corrupt: ‘The Scribes and Pharisees have seated themselves in the Seat of Moses(1). Therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds for they say things and do not do them.’

God appointed the apostles who have successors. God also promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. By whose authority do non-Catholics feed the sheep, their own authority or the authority that has been handed down by the apostles?

In 1882, Christ revealed to the stigmatist, Marie Julie Jahenny of La Fraudais, France that:

"In the last days, a seemingly unlimited amount of FALSE REVELATIONS will arise from hell like a swarm of flies; a last attempt of Satan to choke and to destroy the efficacy of the TRUE REVELATIONS by false ones."

www.newjerusalem.com...

How, then, do we tell which we should believe and which not? Christ promised the Church would not be prevailed against.

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I don't think that you understands God's promises to the Church or that some messages are deception.

thank you for teaching me basic catechisis.

Here we are discussing a message from a young seer that concerns rescue of God's people in a year that we are pretty much assured by secular sources of widespread destruction. And of open efforts of certain ecclesiastical people to stop that message - successful by now.

We know of all the wrangling about the real Fatima 3 secret. Let me not go into that here. The people who believe Fatima-3 authentic secret (Neues Europa text) cannot be accused of being against the HOLY Church (and I stress the word holy in opposite to what we see now). Rather the opposite - they are the most fervent Christians.

God bless

Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Gliese581

 

I don't think that you understands God's promises to the Church or that some messages are deception.

Demons love turning people against authority...

God appointed the apostles who have successors. ...

then a mystic is quoted (I have no opinion on her), that also fails into the category of unproven by the church, but is used to contradict other unproven seers. Classical trick used many times in nowadays apparitions or claims for such.

So, because the demons love turning people against authority, and because the authority in some cases turns against apparitions, that means what?

Isn't it better to say that certain religious authority serve the demons? As the ecclesiastical masonry for example? How about the black masses? How did John Paul 1 die? It wasn't Mehmed Ali Agca who killed him. It is pretty much enough isn't it?

Now we go to 2012 events, and we are denied as simple messages as that of 8y old practically unknown to the world, because someone has decided so?

Who is from God and who is from the devil - the one who offers a way out, or the one who will be glad to see us die under the roof of St Peter's as seen in the movie "2012"?

reply to post by Gliese581


Well, I'm sticking with authority because Christ taught obedience. As we are not hiding in caves yet I'm glad I chose this.

It's really a question of wondering "hath God said"? Hath God said the Church is the pillar of truth? Hath God said even the gates of hell will not overcome it? Does the scripture warn us that demons can deceive?