Eye witnesses claim 'unusual' movement of Israeli missiles

Originally posted by princeofpeace
LOL-if this guys is on the ineternet posting on ATS then you can be sure he is NOT in Iran!!!!

LOL you believe that bull#? You fell for the propaganda HARD! Iran isn't China einstein.. lol

reply to post by TrueAmerican


if israel nukes iran, then i am all for russia nuking israel. flame on!

There is nothing good to come out of any war? I do not care what the sides are. Anyone want to show me the positive side of a war?Is death a positive aspect?As far as I am concerned, The UN holds no authority over me.
Never will. The U.S. has no security over these countries and should be expelled. along with my country,.
Hell. the U.S. has no right to overrule any state! It would be nice to see just one state stand against the Feds.

I do worry about ObamaCare, it is no different than any other illegal mandate they are pushing onto the Citizens.

Originally posted by letscit
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

if israel nukes iran, then i am all for russia nuking israel. flame on!

Nice to see people so happy to embrace nuclear warfare ...not!

AFAIK Jericho 3 is probably silo based....at least for the moment. it seems highly unlikely Israel would tip their hand by moving them around non-secure locations long before any strike.

there is a lot of imagry of the presumed missile base at Zachariah available.

IMO if they are moving missiles around Jerusalem they are more likely Arrow ABM's

Originally posted by mugger
There is nothing good to come out of any war? I do not care what the sides are. Anyone want to show me the positive side of a war?Is death a positive aspect?As far as I am concerned, The UN holds no authority over me.
Never will. The U.S. has no security over these countries and should be expelled. along with my country,.
Hell. the U.S. has no right to overrule any state! It would be nice to see just one state stand against the Feds.

I do worry about ObamaCare, it is no different than any other illegal mandate they are pushing onto the Citizens.

Its not just the U.S its also NATO. They are pushing and shoving anybody they want, as of late, and eventually its going to lead some shock and awe. Doesn't matter where or who. Its all bad...

Originally posted by letscit
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

if israel nukes iran, then i am all for russia nuking israel. flame on!

Then what would happen? Like I said, Israel is tiny. I really had no idea of the scale until I went there last year. When we hear about them building settlements in the "occupied territories," it's like building a shopping mall across the street. If you were to hit Israel with a nuke, unless it were a teeny tiny thing, you'd also wipe out the West Bank, Gaza, and parts of Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt. The fallout would drift to Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and perhaps as far as Crete and Greece to the west and Iran to the east. Furtherr, Jerusalem is the third holiest site for Islam. Mohammad is supposed to have arisen to Heaven on his horse from the Temple Mount--just like Jesus, except his was better because he had his horse with him. It's just a very stupid place to throw a nuke. It would be like nuking Mecca.

Well how big are the bunker busters they just got from the US? 6 meters or 18 feet. And this would be the choice for attacking Irans nuclear programs.

Or, what about this:

Israel positions nuclear-tipped Jerichos. They send an ultimatum letter to Iran explaining to them the situation. Iran is given the option to let Israel destroy the nuke facilities it wants, or the alternative: face nuclear obliteration if Iran retaliates. All this goes on behind the scenes.

So Iran, faced with facts and outgunned by a lot more nukes than they have- if any- is forced to agree, but only on the condition that they are able to explain away the explosions at bases how they see fit. Might explain the news reports of explosions in Iran? The Iranian rulers are allowed to continue for the time being, as an appeasement and to minimize international blowback and further war, but only under these conditions.

I dunno. There are a few possibilities on how this plays out. If Iran would just simply come clean on the last requests of the IAEA so they give the all clear, the standoff could end peacefully. For now. The manufactured data from the stolen laptop is not enough to overwhelm world opinion. And until complete proof Iran has nukes surfaces, Israel had better wait.

Israel says it has returned fire into Lebanon after several rockets fired from southern Lebanon landed in Israel overnight.

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Skirmishes are starting up again, but I don't think this involves the hardware from the OP.

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brill

reply to post by TrueAmerican


If Israel nukes Iran, it will be over for Israel. Russia will stomp them in the ground and USA will just sit back and cry about it.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Israel's Jericho III missiles can reach Russia - I dont' think ther ewill be any stomping going on.

Yep...ALL of Russia is well within reach of the Jericho III's. Doubt Russia really wants to lose Moscow, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk over Iran........

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

If Israel nukes Iran, it will be over for Israel. Russia will stomp them in the ground and USA will just sit back and cry about it.

Nuke is a relative term nowadays. Low yield tacticals, although still devastating, are not on the same order as strategic nukes. I question whether Russia would even militarily respond if a few nuke facilities went bye bye in Iran, and then firing ceased. On the other hand, with Putin back at the helm, you never know. I'd say his action in Georgia was resolute, immediate and steadfast. Still, that's not necessarily the best gauge, as that was on his turf. Iran is a foreign interest, and there's a difference. But escalation might happen quicker than anyone expects. And I suppose that might be one reason the Persian Gulf Fleet is keeping an eye on things. Somehow I doubt those boys, armed to teeth, are gonna do much crying. At all.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Low yield tactical - 10-20kt - same size as Hiroshima and Nagasaki......Israel is thought to be able to load 6 x 100kt or 1 x 1Mt warheads onto Jericho II each missile.....

I could envision Israel using nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities (first strike) for several reasons:

1. Iran's nuclear facilities may be so well protected that they can't be destroyed with conventional weapons.
2. A first strike on Iran using Jericho nuclear missiles doesn't risk any pilots or aircraft and doesn't require any refueling or complicated logistics.
3. A surprise missile attack would give Iran very little time to react or try to defend their nuclear facilities. With long range strike aircraft there is the risk of detection while still hours away from the target.
4. Even if a nuclear strike doesn't destroy any certain facility outright it will make the area a "no man's land" effectively rendering the site and everything in it useless.
5. If Israel uses only long range missiles for it's strike on Iran, all of their military will be at home and available to respond to any inevitable retaliation.
6. By recently testing (demonstrating) their Jericho III missile, Israel effectively said to Russia, China and everyone else that they are not out of range and could suffer the loss of their major cities if they attack Israel.
7. Israel has long stated that Iran is an existential threat to them. By going to the limit (nuclear) they will demonstrate that they really believe that and will deal with any other threat in the same way.
8. It's sad to say, but everyone hates Israel anyway so staying with conventional weapons isn't going to make them any less hated.

I absolutely do not encourage, recommend or condone any of these actions by Israel. But I can see these ideas as reasons they may choose this course of action.

reply to post by itguysrule


Israel has allways jumped up and down about Iran. Funny thing is they were buying oil from them at the same time. Just like Bush saying no one could sale to Iran as Koch and even Haliburton was saleing things to Iran.

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.msnbc.msn.com...

www.bloomberg.com...

I understand your rationale and it all makes sense except for one thing. NO WAY, NO HOW does Israel launch a pre-emptive nuclear attack on Iran. Israel would become an international Paraiah and would cease to exist if they did that. Conventional attack yes, nuclear no way. Just dont see it. Not when the US has those new bunker busters...all Israel would have to do is blackmail the US: "Look we dont have those new bunker busters but we arent waiting for sanctions. SO, you either give us the bunker busters or use them yourselves, or we attack with nukes".

Originally posted by itguysrule
I could envision Israel using nuclear weapons to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities (first strike) for several reasons:

1. Iran's nuclear facilities may be so well protected that they can't be destroyed with conventional weapons.
2. A first strike on Iran using Jericho nuclear missiles doesn't risk any pilots or aircraft and doesn't require any refueling or complicated logistics.
3. A surprise missile attack would give Iran very little time to react or try to defend their nuclear facilities. With long range strike aircraft there is the risk of detection while still hours away from the target.
4. Even if a nuclear strike doesn't destroy any certain facility outright it will make the area a "no man's land" effectively rendering the site and everything in it useless.
5. If Israel uses only long range missiles for it's strike on Iran, all of their military will be at home and available to respond to any inevitable retaliation.
6. By recently testing (demonstrating) their Jericho III missile, Israel effectively said to Russia, China and everyone else that they are not out of range and could suffer the loss of their major cities if they attack Israel.
7. Israel has long stated that Iran is an existential threat to them. By going to the limit (nuclear) they will demonstrate that they really believe that and will deal with any other threat in the same way.
8. It's sad to say, but everyone hates Israel anyway so staying with conventional weapons isn't going to make them any less hated.

I absolutely do not encourage, recommend or condone any of these actions by Israel. But I can see these ideas as reasons they may choose this course of action.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


LOL you really think Israel stands a chance against Russia just because they have nukes? That right there is funny as hell.

5 Nukes and Israel is back in the stoneage, and how will those jericho missiles reach moscow if Russia strikes first and completely wipes out their capabilities?

reply to post by Evanzsayz


If Russia bombed Israel they would have destoryed the religious center of most of the worlds religions.
Muslim, Christians and so on.

reply to post by princeofpeace


Oh yeah I forgot to mention China since they get most of their oil from them and they are basically allies with Russia...Israel is digging their own grave.