Worrying Observation about this generations children

Originally posted by muse7
While I do agree that everything should tried to be resolved without war, sometimes people don't understand.

Sometimes they need a good carpet bombing to get the point across to them, if that doesn't work then we bring out the Abrams A1M1 and pay a short visit to their neighborhood.

Seriously, these people will stop at nothing to spread the word of "allah". They want to take over the world, its in their holy books, and anyone who opposes them will be beheaded.

I don't see a problem with the extermination of such pieces of scum.

edit on 11/28/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

I think this is actually a pretty good response. I find that this latest generation has been conditioned to think the opposite. A decade or 2 of secular humanism force fed on students has taught them that everyone is right, truth is relative, "everyone is a winner", and "believe in yourself", despite these being observable lies in the real world. Does anyone else wonder why nothing seems to work anymore (economies, diplomacy, justice etc)? I'll use the justice system for example, in our society, you can murder, be put in jail (where you continue to murder), serve your time, and murder again. Or my favorite, the false belief that pedophiles can be rehabilitated, only to molest more and more kids to the alleged "surprise" to the powers that be. All I can conclude is, there is no hope for the future.

reply to post by Power_Semi


What you said is exactly how it is, but it hasn't just happened, it's been happening for the last 100 years or more. If anything it really speaks volumes about just how insane the older generations are considering the way they are brainwashing and programming children and whoever it is that is pulling their strings is even more sick than they are. Some of these people in the media and positions of power are seriously mentally ill.

The internet has brought what's happening in the world into most people's homes, as well as the media. It's the main medium responsible for most of the lies, propaganda and fear in our lives, but thankfully you can turn it off or even better, you can use it find out the truth, so it works both ways. Probably why the powers that be want to censor everything, especially the internet.

At the end of the day, it's up to the parents to be loving, truthful and honest with their children. Teach them love & compassion, not fear & hatred and regardless of what's going on in the world, they'll turnout to be well balanced caring individuals.

Teenagers today may appear more angry on the surface, but that's simply because like most other people, they are simply sick of the way things are and are crying out for change and I honestly do believe that things will change for the better. The older generation who are responsible for this mess will soon be gone and the younger generations who are smarter and more compassionate will take their place and from there, things can only get better.

Originally posted by wrathchild
my problem is......how many 18yrs males can change a tire...or do an oil change....

I'm 41...a gen-x'er.

I have an 20yrs old son...thankfully i've taught how to fend for himself..and do "manly things"

Still battling with him on the "just suck it up" stuff.

His friends on the other hand...completely useless..all of them.

If there was ever a disaster..or "end of the world type event..." us old guys would rule...this next generation is completely hopeless.

these young men have to get my son to go with them to put air in their tires....not kidding!!!!!!!

I think the role of the male has been diminished.....female roles are moving along fine.

BTW..my 17yrs old daughter can change a tire..light a camp-fire and, and use booster-cables

edit on 28-11-2011 by wrathchild because: sexism

First, doing "manly things" won't save the earth , or anything for that matter, change a tire or do an oil change are just common things you would have to do if you own a car or tractor etc.(and maybe the kids who did not know how to do it did not have a father to teach them.)
for example, fighting a war is not a manly thing, it's something you have been ordered to do from higher up. As you stand there with a gun in hand, bullets flying by your ears I'm sure there are not many males or females thinking about how manly they are at that moment.

I myself am a Norwegian farmer's boy so I know plenty about engines, carpenting, harvesting and boats. But I'm at the moment taking a bachelor degree in video game design, instead of working on a farm or some car workshop. (I love science and art,) I was also the only one in my class who moved away from home, across the country, to follow my dream. Pretty much all the other men from my class took the path into industry/industrial work. I really don't see how you can say that my generation will be completely worthless. I also don't see what "manly things" will make our society any better. There will always be people enjoying working with "manly things" but we need (from your point of view) "softer" people too , for example the ones caring about advancing our technology in all fields.
From what you wrote I got the feeling that doing that kind of (sciencey)stuff was not as manly as changing a tire.

Personally I think my generation will be an enlightened one, things will continue advancing, and at some point I don't even think we will have to change tires as we won't need them anymore. You need to have some faith in the younglings.
Got a bit long and ranty but you hit a nerve.

reply to post by Power_Semi


Then ever so slowly as each generation dies recreate history (Wikipedia will ensure this) change the language (get it LOL...omg U dgit? ROFLMAO) to where they do not know how express themselves in larger depth or describe the world around them or even what Freedom means. Then make sure they are too preoccupied to occupy (Kardashians, Lady Gaga, X-Box, Netflix). Control what they see and read to polarize small insignificant political views but keep the same agenda (CNN vs. FOX). Finally keep them drugged up so even if they wanted to fight they cannot…
Yes welcome to 1984…

I think this is a fantastic OP, and an issue that falls in line with current events...

However, I think there are plenty of other things to worry about, first, before we tackle the "state of the world." Childhood obesity, invented diseases and harmful chemicals are a place to start...but that's not going to happen so...

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by muse7

 

Please don't get drafted, Muse,

Do you really believe that killing other people is OK?

Sometimes it's necessary. Maybe not "OK", but necessary.

Originally posted by muse7
While I do agree that everything should tried to be resolved without war, sometimes people don't understand.

Sometimes they need a good carpet bombing to get the point across to them, if that doesn't work then we bring out the Abrams A1M1 and pay a short visit to their neighborhood.

Seriously, these people will stop at nothing to spread the word of "allah". They want to take over the world, its in their holy books, and anyone who opposes them will be beheaded.

I don't see a problem with the extermination of such pieces of scum.

edit on 11/28/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

I'm very, very glad you're not the one making decisions around here. I mean, really. "Hey that guy shot at us!" "Carpet bomb his 'hood, then run him over with a tank. You know, a measured response."

Originally posted by muse7
While I do agree that everything should tried to be resolved without war, sometimes people don't understand.

Sometimes they need a good carpet bombing to get the point across to them, if that doesn't work then we bring out the Abrams A1M1 and pay a short visit to their neighborhood.

Seriously, these people will stop at nothing to spread the word of "allah". They want to take over the world, its in their holy books, and anyone who opposes them will be beheaded.

I don't see a problem with the extermination of such pieces of scum.

edit on 11/28/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

So US do not have any fault in the middle east mess. It is your crapy way of helping dictators stay in power that have started the whole problem. The taliban was first tought by americans to fight the soviet. You are always meddeling because there is oil that your big corparations want. Why attack Irak? He was a dictator that you sold weapons to and your ally before Kuwait. No weapons of mass destruction. All lies by your politicians. I don't mind him being gone but still your actions have nothing to do with Justice or bringing democracy. The united states Karma is crap. US is like a dog barking and biting everybody around the world to show your dominace and always trying to get your intrest thru in other countries. I don't like fundamentalistic wings of religon like Islam or Christianity.

The best thing to happen to the world would probably be US getting a timeout and not be allowed outside your borders for a while until you had become more responsible. And you can keep your corrupted corperations and banks also.

I miss the old days when I thought us where the good guys. Know I only see mercenaries for hire and dollarsigns and you have been that all thru 20-th century. Even the 2nd world war you where taking payment from the british empire for your services.

Above is not against US citizen but against US as a collective. Unfortunatly Europe is not much better. We are the little smaller dog by the side that follows the order from the bigger dog.

Namaste

This is a fantastic thread - very interesting to see the responses so far.

I suspect that similar conversations were being had after the World Wars, Vietnam etc....the idea that the innocence of the next generation may be lost forever...never to return.

In reality, I believe that children will always grow up with an 'us and them' mentality shrouding them - either from their parents, their surroundings or their society.

The internet and growth of technology is probably the best and worst thing innovation we have seen - yes, it may lead to a decline in socialisation - but the resources and information to hand for this generation is staggering. I've seen so many things that I could have accepted at face value, but these resources have allowed me to delve deeper and find a greater understanding - I think we are gonna be OK

Originally posted by Power_Semi
Hello,
It was my sons 8th birthday recently, my daughter is nearly 11, and I was thinking about when they were born, when they were little, etc and made a worrying observation...

...their generation have never known anything other than a world where we are in a perpetual "war" on "terrorists" who supposedly want to kill us at the first opportunity.

I find it worrying because we who were adults prior to 9-11 can remember what the world was like before the supposed "war on terror," but their generation know nothing else, cannot conceive of anything else, but a world full of conflict.

It totally reminds me of Orwells 1984 and the never ending war, and I'm amazed at how quickly we have arrived in this situation, where an entire generation will believe that this is the normal state of affairs.

If you believe that a New World Order is being ushered in, then this would be the way to do it - not to try and change/force the opinions of people who have seen a less turbulent world, but to start with a new generation and make sure they know of nothing else...

...terrorists, man made global warming, economic collapse, etc, etc - all could be used to mould the behaviour of a society formed from the next generation.

Just a thought.

I think you have to go pre 2001, to the Presidential election between the warmongers, ahem and the Pacifists, in 2000, to understand the artificial aspects your describing.. Yes We are being or have been ushered into a dark and very unpredictable time in the near future..

Intutitly when I saw Bush win in 2000, after the BULLCRAP, recounts I knew something was up... He had the people he needed to brainwash the citizen of America, a war hero, a VP who had defense dept, experience etc. etc. It was a warmonger cabinet, is what I am saying..

Just think about it..

Yeah pre 9-11 life was great, no worries of phone taps, no getting felt up at the airports, I biggest news stories were about how great our economy was and a President under investigation over a intern...

Those were the golden years, oh and they played movies like the Matrix, and Armageddon..


Ya I feel bad for the kids of this generation.... Really bad... The stars will never align the same again as they did pre 9-11... EVER...

Firstly OP,thanks for posting but you must have either a short memory or have had a very sheltered childhood.50 years ago Sister Marguerite continually informed us of the dire consequences of communism and the hoardes of evil communists to the north of Australia were creeping ever closer.. At the age of 8 I found it more than troubling.

The sad fact of the matter is that all of this social demise is manufactured. A friend was an NCO appx. 28 years ago in the German army . During his service another nco in what could only be construed as a recruitment drive for "The Powers That Would like to be". informed him of many things, but the biggy was that they were in the process of totally destroying the fabric of society and it's economy ,when destitution reigned they were then to introduce their man and their One world govt. To confirm his stature to my friend he rang 2 people and informed them where and when they were to have a meeting with him, no ifs or buts.The first was a very big man in germany, the second person was the German chancellor. FACT. This all happened over about 2 weeks,the call to the chancellor chilled my friend and he quickly distanced himself from this chap. He has since never voted,never put money into the stock exchange,will not believe the media and who could blame him? He has watched the whole thing unfold!

Be awake to all of this with a positive attitude and LOVE in your heart,inform those not as fortunate to have this knowledge but only in as much as they can ingest, don't freak them out,always come with love in your heart.
I have 3 children, 17,22 and 28. Difficult for them to see the forest these days for all the cut down trees.
This world will wake up to these evil doers,FACT. Be here now,enjoy this moment,fear nothing !
Love Norry.



















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You make a vary good point OP. I'm not disagreing with you here... But I was born in 1980 and my generation has known nothing other than perpetual war and conflict as well. One of my first memories is of my parents talking about the cold war in the mid 80's. Then it was the gulf war, semolia, etc, etc, etc... Every generation has grown up in a world full of war and killing not just the current one. Now the real question is can they learn to accept that fact like the rest of us?.... We need to worry about humanity as a whole not just the kids. Would really hate for us to end up being the first species on this planet to commit self extinction...

reply to post by muse7

Yeah we should leave them alone, after all they are just a bunch of misunderstood individuals who want nothing but the best for everyone.

They don't sound so different to yourself.

Why don't you tell that to the people that were in the world trade center on the morning of September 11, 2001? Oh wait you can't because they are dead as a result of these sick and twisted beings who want to force everyone to submit to their beliefs.

Why don't you tell that to the hundreds of thousands of murdered Iraqi citizens as a result of your war? (Oh wait you can't because they are dead as a result of these sick and twisted beings who want to force everyone to submit to their beliefs). And I almost forgot, the lives of 3000 Americans are of far greater value to you.

By the way, Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and Osama is dead. When will your lust for revenge be satisfied?

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by muse7

 

I am 21, and I have to say I agree with your posts, at least when it comes to war in Afghanistan.

As for whoever called you racist, that is false, religion is not a race.

Okay, well he referred to an entire demographic as 'scum' worthy of death based on what? Forgive us for presuming he meant muslims, or middle easterns or arabs or whatever. Racist, prejudiced, bigot... Not a whole heap of difference.

Namaste.

Wow, just Wow.

Some of you are SO naive its downright frightening. I mean have you really listened to yourselves? "everything would be just spiffy if wars were just not fought and everyone looked out for their fellow man." Ummmm...duh!

Reality check!

1. The human race is violent. Always has been, always will be. Deal with it.

2. Humans are greedy, vain, and venal. Always have been, always will be. Deal with it.

3. War is a natural condition for the human animal. Always has been, always will be. Deal with it.

4. We as a species will always find a reason to fight. Always have, always will. Deal with it.

5. It is OUR responsibility as parents to...
counter the propaganda with truth.
Engage in interpersonal relationships with them to counter the effects of technological relationships
Teach them the difference between right and wrong.
Instil the love of learning and the search for knowledge.

The progressives got one thing right, start young. Instead of indoctrination we should be instructing our children in things like morals and virtues. Never hide the fact that there really are people out there who will kill us both at home and abroad. Yes war is a great evil and regrettably necessary, but no the kids of today are not being programed for war. They are no more desensitized to it than I was or you were. Trust me a video game cant desensitize you to the real horror of violent death. Enough rambling, I hope I got my point across anyway.

Peace.

reply to post by apushforenlightment

So US do not have any fault in the middle east mess. It is your crapy way of helping dictators stay in power that have started the whole problem.

This line of thought actually supports US military intervention. Clean up the mess they created.

reply to post by muse7

Yeah dude, keep calling me ignorant because I don't agree with you.
Why do you keep dismissing the terrorists attacks of 9-11, 2004 in Madrid and 2005 in London and all of those countless others?

I have done nothing of the sort, my previous post was my first on this thread. I am not, therefore, doing anything repetitively. There was nothing for you to agree with me on. I pointed out your ignorance because it is glaringly apparent in your posts and your views are extremely misinformed, to the detriment of this thread.

Please show me a post of mine that dismisses any terrorist attack - or save the melodrama.

That said, those attacks had nothing to do with Iran. Saudi, maybe.. But if so then your government was complicit. You think Iraq had anything to do with 9/11? That's what the whole occupation was allegedly based on, before that 'freedom' and 'liberating the Iraqi people' rhetoric and propaganda. Answer is - no.

Just to make it clear, I do not hate Muslims and I tolerate every religion but I do have a problem with fanatics and radicals which are the ones that carry out most terrorists attacks and behead people.

Could have fooled me. If you seriously think there is a legitimate reason to invade Iran, then I can't accept this statement.

And those people are the ones we are at war with, they pose a threat to everyone in the world.

And the US don't? Look at the Middle East man. The US has messed around with the region so much that most the governments obsessively appease them - to the detriment of their neighbours and themselves. They're the big bad bully of the world. But that still wouldn't justify starting a war with the US and its citizens, so why is the situation any different for a Muslim country?

While I do agree with you that the region has been destabilized since we got involved there, I think something had to be done about these radicals that were running Afghanistan.

'Destroyed' would be a much more appropriate term. Destabilised is more political rhetoric - the fact that you're using it indicates you are indoctrinated.

And, Al Qaeda became a much bigger problem since the US empowered them through exaggerating their capabilities. Western expansionism and human rights abuses also radicalised many Iraqi and Afghani citizens into joining AQ and affiliated groups. It's possible this is a welcome consequence to those behind the scenes - gives them a boogie man they can use to get people like you to support wars against Muslim countries.

reply to post by Power_Semi


"As He sat on The Mount Of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the close of the age?" And Jesus answered them, "Take heed that no one leads you astray. For many will come in My Name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places: all this is but the beginning of the birth-pangs." (Matthew 24:3-8 RSV)

...and some people STILL think the Bible is a fictitious story written by loonies. I'll tell you one thing, if you worry and stress, you'll only cause harm to yourself. Jesus said "...see that you are not alarmed, for this must take place..."

Even if you don't believe, you should have a certain 'feeling' in your bones, namely in your lower jaw, just below your tongue...it's a tingling sensation, akin to nerves. I've explained this to myself as this feelings link to a new age of understanding, a new energy.

Regardless of who or what Jesus was, He was real and He had abilities far beyond those of normal human being. I am convinced that Jesus was a hybrid, of sorts. However, He was a special one; seeing as how other's who were hybrids were "...the sons of Gods..." similar to the Spartans, Saint Christopher, or Goliath..."...giants among men..." who were "...born from the nephilim as they "...saw human women as fare, so they came down from the heavens and came into them..."

The Bible's a record of what occurred in our human past...spanning the time between the Babylonians and the 1st coming of Jesus Christ. It's also a guide book between Jesus and the next return of God. If you look at the BIG picture, without bias, and take into account the Bible's linear stories that span hundreds of other civilizations all over the world, then take into consideration the existence of artifacts belonging to one or more ancient civilizations, you will too come to this conclusion.

Read the Bible good sir, as your children, and my own, will need those guiding words more than anyone else in the past. It was written for them and theirs...unfortunately, it is you and I's generation who will be fighting for our position among the survivors. Pick up a good knife, learn snares, and invest in some good charcoal to filter water through your socks...it's going to get rougher before it smooths out.

Everyone else who thinks it's bologna, or are too 'proud' of their own humanity to think the Bible is worth a second look...I suggest Buddhism, Hinduism, any of the "isms" as they'll give you hope and understanding during the forthcoming times you'll need to endure. I'll keep you in my prayers and sleep with a smile on my face, as I know my savior approaches...and "...not a soul on earth will be able to hide form His judgment; not those hiding under the mountains, or under the seas...for only those who have heeded His word, will find comfort in Him."

Originally posted by Power_Semi
Hello,
It was my sons 8th birthday recently, my daughter is nearly 11, and I was thinking about when they were born, when they were little, etc and made a worrying observation...

...their generation have never known anything other than a world where we are in a perpetual "war" on "terrorists" who supposedly want to kill us at the first opportunity.

I find it worrying because we who were adults prior to 9-11 can remember what the world was like before the supposed "war on terror," but their generation know nothing else, cannot conceive of anything else, but a world full of conflict.

It totally reminds me of Orwells 1984 and the never ending war, and I'm amazed at how quickly we have arrived in this situation, where an entire generation will believe that this is the normal state of affairs.

If you believe that a New World Order is being ushered in, then this would be the way to do it - not to try and change/force the opinions of people who have seen a less turbulent world, but to start with a new generation and make sure they know of nothing else...

...terrorists, man made global warming, economic collapse, etc, etc - all could be used to mould the behaviour of a society formed from the next generation.

Just a thought.

This is something I've thought about as well. My oldest son is 19 and we've been at war pretty much since he was born.

Originally posted by 74Templar
I often wonder if the generation of today is being deliberately de-sensitized to violence and horror, you only have to look to hollywood and the latest PS3/Xbox game to see that.

Recently my wife was taking part in a meeting in a schoolroom that isn't often used. The door opened and the Headmistress walked in with her hands over her face and began to cry. Realising there were people in the room she said, "I see I have to explain myself. Our children are being destroyed by video games. I spend half my time on their education and half my time dealing with the effects of these games."

The people who make profit from or excuse these games may change their tune if they were left at the mercy of these children.