Nato attacks Pakistan army, Pakistan cuts off U.S. supply lines

Originally posted by OneManArmy
I have no doubt that the ISI has been helping them. It plays into the whole creation of a phantom enemy...

Now you are mixing known facts with conspiracy.

Pakistan's ISI is not helping any phantom army. They are helping the Taliban. They want to have greater control over Afghanistan.

But since you brought in a conspiracy angle into the discussion It wouldn't surprise me if the helicopter pilots were either chasing Taliban back across the border into Pakistan from Afghanistan or maybe even Pakistani ISI agents [Who are known to operate in Afghanistan for years] that got caught out in the open who then made a dash for the border for what they thought was a safe zone.

reply to post by MaximosPoena

Ok I plead guilty, but isnt this a conspiracy site? When I bring up conspiracy I try to use words like "Claimed" or "suggests" sometimes I might make a mistake, Im human too, I dont claim to know it all, especially with so much propaganda on the subject clouding the facts.

Originally posted by OneManArmy

I hope you will say you have equal compassion for all of them. For they are all innocent, combatants on both sides blinded by propaganda, and also the innocent men, women and children who are "collateral damage"

I am saying, which nation do I have more compassion for, I am sure each family on both sides were effected by each death. I do have compassion for everyone, from people as misguided as Cheney(probably gonna have many incarnations of karma to pay off), to the kids in Iraq and Palestine...

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Pakistani officials demanded on Saturday that the US vacate an air base suspected of using unmanned droned within 15 days in response to an alleged NATO attack.

Originally posted by CREAM

I do have compassion for everyone, from people as misguided as Cheney(probably gonna have many incarnations of karma to pay off)

LOL, aint that the truth.
Im heartened to see you answered that way.
Of course we have national pride and so are likely to have more compassion for our own losses, I understand that too.
Its to be expected. Its simply national pride and patriotism, nothing wrong with that, except when its used against us in propaganda.

Originally posted by acroagogue
I'm not sure we should be in the region at all but this could turn into WW3.

Let's hope it does soon since we've all been waiting with anticipation to be proven right, then we can gloat over the ignorant fools who responded to our dire prophesies with laughter and ridicule.

Originally posted by milkyway12
I'm tired of people that have not had first hand experience over there that talk about things THEY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. You guys dont know HALF the crap IRAN and PAKISTAN has done against NATO.

You want to know the funny thing?

I have no first hand experience in the Middle East exactly because I have an idea about what is going on there. I signed up and begged the army to send me there, only to be denied entering military service. You see, the powers that be don't want consciously thinking people to see what is really going on there.

So you can talk about killing the enemy all that you want. Do you even question why you, as an American, was in Afghanistan in the first place?

This website is a joke... the motto is deny ignorance yet you have people spouting bible nonsense as if it were the truth.

I fear this act may be the Franz Ferdinand of WWIII

Originally posted by rationalistswagger
This website is a joke... the motto is deny ignorance yet you have people spouting bible nonsense as if it were the truth.

I know, every current event thread gets derailed by the ignorant bible bashers or moronic flag wavers.

It will get 100 times worse if something big does break out.

Originally posted by Kreeger

Watch the video from 24.00

I'm pretty sure the dude eats a fly

nom nom nom nom

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I have no first hand experience in the Middle East exactly because I have an idea about what is going on there. I signed up and begged the army to send me there, only to be denied entering military service. You see, the powers that be don't want consciously thinking people to see what is really going on there.

Right. Because every single Troop in the Middle East, from the Generals to the lowly E-2s, from the pilots, clerk and jerks, comm guys, Special Forces, and everyone in between are simply drones and no way like you, a "consciously thinking person".

Gotta butter your head to get it thru the door, don't you?

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I have no first hand experience in the Middle East exactly because I have an idea about what is going on there. I signed up and begged the army to send me there, only to be denied entering military service. You see, the powers that be don't want consciously thinking people to see what is really going on there.

Right. Because every single Troop in the Middle East, from the Generals to the lowly E-2s, from the pilots, clerk and jerks, comm guys, Special Forces, and everyone in between are simply drones and no way like you, a "consciously thinking person".

Gotta butter your head to get it thru the door, don't you?

Actually special forces are far more in tune with their surroundings in life than what you or who ever feels. To knowingly place yourself in a life and death situation requires an internal silence and acceptance of what you are and what your place is within this dimensional world is. Others have spiritual awakening others have a higher calling, so i would not say they are simple robots. They are far from that and heed the warning when and if ever you cross the path of such a person on a mission or otherwise.

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You are like a da vinci masterpeice. Starting to see the pictures you paint.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I have no first hand experience in the Middle East exactly because I have an idea about what is going on there. I signed up and begged the army to send me there, only to be denied entering military service. You see, the powers that be don't want consciously thinking people to see what is really going on there.

Right. Because every single Troop in the Middle East, from the Generals to the lowly E-2s, from the pilots, clerk and jerks, comm guys, Special Forces, and everyone in between are simply drones and no way like you, a "consciously thinking person".

Gotta butter your head to get it thru the door, don't you?

If your soldiers are involved in a war of lies and exploitation, then the key to maintain the war effort is to minimalize dissidence.

You can be damned sure that the officer class knows what is going on, hence why they lead. They are in this position because they wish to reap the benefits of their war.

If the common soldier, the workhorse of the entire war effort, realized that their war has nothing about democracy and everything about exploitation, then they would not fight to win.

Trust me, I've met currently enlisted people and I must say, I've never met sure ignorant and arrogant people. They are the epitome of capitalism, and conservatism. They believe that by serving orders without question, that they will get their education and pension. My own nation's military specifically avoids recruiting anyone who is there for the sake of nationalism, because such notions are dangerous when the fight is not true and when we are fighting not for the defense of our nation, but for the interest of our current leaders.

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NATO and USA need to get out of there and stop killing innocents. They have done so for long enough, time to admit mistakes and get the hell out already. What are they trying to prove by being there? That Pakistan can't protect itself? That Pakistan needs the USA?

They don't and the USA should stop holding their hand, it makes them look bad anyways. If foreign policy experts in washington were smart this would already be done. They obviously have other plans in the region besides fighting terrorists.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I have no first hand experience in the Middle East exactly because I have an idea about what is going on there. I signed up and begged the army to send me there, only to be denied entering military service. You see, the powers that be don't want consciously thinking people to see what is really going on there.

Right. Because every single Troop in the Middle East, from the Generals to the lowly E-2s, from the pilots, clerk and jerks, comm guys, Special Forces, and everyone in between are simply drones and no way like you, a "consciously thinking person".

Gotta butter your head to get it thru the door, don't you?

Troops do a job their paid to do, period the end. If they dont they get to go to Military Courts. Sure they think, but not on a grand scale. More on a scale of "holy crap im gonna kill guys so I dont die". I've met plenty of soldiers, they are great at survival but very little else. Then add on the trauma of wars, it makes them far more closeminded.

War is a disease no man should take part in.

reply to post by acroagogue


NATO's attack was preceded by a Pakistani military attack ISAF forces from the territory of Pakistan -
Reuterrs

reply to post by OneManArmy

I have to seriously wonder where your head is at? Now you are making assumptions of what happened without even waiting for such a thing as FACTS. But dont let such a simple thing as facts get in the way. By your avatar Id guess youre used to denying facts.

Facts are going to be difficult to come by.

I'll give you an example of how this could have gone down.

You are not the 'first' person to be engaged in combat, but are responding because you hear gunfire. You're not sure what started it, but you're going in to protect your buddy and extract him (or the small team). You get there just in time for the people shooting at you to have reinforcements on their side, and find yourself pinned down. You call for reinforcements, they get there, say "# these guys" and call in an airstrike.

By the time the dust settles, you find out it was a blue-on-blue incident and the two original parties at the scene are KIA. You've no idea why you started fighting each other - but you did, and now it's turned into an international incident.

But remember one thing "Thou Shalt Not Kill". What problem does Iran have? They wont bow down to US imperialism?

Yay for forum derailing.

If you want to have a theological debate (or a religious history debate) - we can have one, but this is the wrong forum.

If you really need someone to explain to you the issues with Iran, then you are either new to this thing called "life" - or have been living under some kind of rock.

Thats not a problem, thats honourable.

Sorry, paying families of people who blow themselves up in a market place full of people is not honorable.

So Im open to be corrected.

No, you aren't. Don't lie.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

If the common soldier, the workhorse of the entire war effort, realized that their war has nothing about democracy and everything about exploitation, then they would not fight to win.

Perhaps you could explain this allegation of exploitation.

I've never, once, seen any argument for there being exploitation... just the assumption that, because we are in some other country, it is automatically about exploitation and anyone who believes otherwise is a dimwit.

Trust me,

HA

I've met currently enlisted people and I must say, I've never met sure ignorant and arrogant people. They are the epitome of capitalism, and conservatism. They believe that by serving orders without question, that they will get their education and pension.

You've... obviously never had much interaction with the military.

I cannot repeat, publicly, the things that get said and done in spite of E-7 and above direction. The E-6 and below crowd can, and will, chew up and spit out senior enlisted and officers. If they have the E-7 mess on-board, then the officers are really at the mercy of the command.

My own nation's military specifically avoids recruiting anyone who is there for the sake of nationalism, because such notions are dangerous when the fight is not true and when we are fighting not for the defense of our nation, but for the interest of our current leaders.

More baseless allegations. "You are all mindless slaves to serve the dogs in office!"

But, I like how you spin the age-old ploy: "Anyone who disagrees with me is a complete and total idiot, incapable of thinking on their own!"

Come on, be honest, like me - and just let people know you think they are only slightly above pond-scum in terms of intelligence. By comparison to me, almost all human beings are woefully inadequate. You should take comfort in the fact you have people you can at least come to accept as your equal - those who accept what you say as truth.

Now, I shall go fetch you some Leninade while you rant about how retarded soldiers must be due to their participation in something you have never been a part of or witnessed, but presume to know all about.