Nato attacks Pakistan army, Pakistan cuts off U.S. supply lines

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This isn't a God conversation stop your #, thanks

Originally posted by TechniXcality
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This isn't a God conversation stop your #, thanks

I didnt make it a god conversation, and at the end of what I said I said about getting it back on topic.
Do you have anything constructive for the thread or are you just going to tell others what to talk about?

and so the next custom picked foe for the west has been officially announced, i guess a former member was right on the money regarding Pakistan. Sadly that member is no longer a member/

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I'd like to make sure I don't miss any of your points, because I'm not sure of your position on the opening post. I did get that you are clearly not pleased with MilkyWay12 and Technixcality, but on the issue of the thread I'm a little unclear where you stand.

Is your position that NATO fired on Pakistan intentionally, or accidentally? I gather you don't think Pakistan fired on NATO, but I could be wrong.

Do you think that hostility between NATO and Pakistan is a good thing?

I have many more questions, but can we start here?

Originally posted by charles1952
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I'd like to make sure I don't miss any of your points, because I'm not sure of your position on the opening post. I did get that you are clearly not pleased with MilkyWay12 and Technixcality, but on the issue of the thread I'm a little unclear where you stand.

Is your position that NATO fired on Pakistan intentionally, or accidentally? I gather you don't think Pakistan fired on NATO, but I could be wrong.

Do you think that hostility between NATO and Pakistan is a good thing?

I have many more questions, but can we start here?

Indeed, I dont think NATO fired on Pakistani troops intentionally, I think it was indeed an error. It brings up the question why is NATO operating inside Pakistan anyway. It could be possible that someone fired on NATO troops but until its been investigated, the facts are unclear, so on that front its not a good idea to jump to conclusions.
Hostilities between NATO and Pakistan are certainly NOT a good thing, the Pakistani supply lines into Afghanistan are essential to the safety of NATO forces in Afghanistan. I dont think any hostilities are a good thing, especially while the world is on such a knife edge, with the economy in serious crisis and with the tensions rising between the east and west with regards to Syria, and the rhetoric building up over it.
Since the supposed assassination of Osama, with Pakistan being left out of the loop, tensions between the US and Pakistan have risen and Pakistan is becoming more distrustful of NATO as a result, this just adds fuel to the flames.

I wouldnt be surprised if the dead were members of the Frontier Corps,essentially a tribal militia.

They want to shut down supply routes and an air base we use, well, how about we shut down the aid money we give them every year? I'm pretty sick of the Pak's playing both sides for cash.

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Since the supposed assassination of Obama, with Pakistan being left out of the loop, tensions between the US and Pakistan have risen and Pakistan is becoming more distrustful of NATO as a result, this just adds fuel to the flames.

I guess I missed that one, when did this happen ?

Originally posted by taws6

Originally posted by OneManArmy

Since the supposed assassination of Obama, with Pakistan being left out of the loop, tensions between the US and Pakistan have risen and Pakistan is becoming more distrustful of NATO as a result, this just adds fuel to the flames.

I guess I missed that one, when did this happen ?

LMAO!!, what a typo. I meant Osama of course. I will have to correct that right away.

did pak troops fire first and if they did then we need to realize they are a enemy country with nukes

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Where in the Bible does it say the Earth is 6000 years old? The Bible doesnt say this. I do not believe the Earth is 6000 years old. I believe the Earth is older. I may be wrong , i may not. It doesnt affect my belief that Jesus Christ is my only way to God the farther. You are WRONG. Sorry. Its not in the bible. NEXT


Science does show HUGE evidence of a great flood , you can see this on the history channel or simply google the issue.

I have seen not one single contradiction you have showed me in the Bible ........ actually non of the contradictions you posted had anything to really do with a contradiction. Sorry

(You can't just attack my faith and expect me not to reply sorry.)


I would like you to know , i could careless about the "Rant" contradictions on that website you linked to me. I read the first 12 contradictions and they compared the OLD TESTAMENT to the NEW TESTAMENT. Which are totally TWO different lifes. I stopped reading them. They make no valid argument on contradiction what so ever.

I asked YOU what contradictions you SAW in the Bible. Have you even read it ? I doubt it. You know of no contradiction.
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Without Money , you arnt going to have very much food to import , your wrong on that situtaion , we have plans to restart agriculture if a major war starts , it is common sense. We can supply the basic needs for the economy and then some unless we are obliterated by Nukes , which would be rather hard , but could happen. You should do research on War Economy / Economic Mobilizaiton youll learn some things.

The Middle East doesnt need a false flag attack if you havnt noticed. You're so hyped up on your conspiracy ideas that you are missing reality. We dont need a false flag for operations to start. The Arab League will be joined by NATO if they attack , its that simple. We will support the Arab league and should. At least they arnt on a whole scale slaughter atm , and threatening to blow up the entire middle east.

You make NO VALID arguments what so ever , maybe in your next post you can make some.

What a convenient story.

NATO attacked Pakistan soldiers in Pakistan territory, right?

But NATO did it in "self-defense"

By NATO's account, logic would dictate that if the NATO aircraft would have just left the Pakistani territory after being fired upon, then there wouldn't be 20+ dead Pakistani soldiers and a mess of diplomacy.

But I guess NATO owns Pakistan now too, right? Hence why they call it "self-defense" to fire upon Pakistan soldiers who are actually defending their own country.

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It doesnt matter who owns what. Just because you have a border to shoot across doesnt mean we cant SEE you ... i mean HELLOOO. You shoot at us ... hell yeah we will return fire and retaliate.

How .... nice for pakistan to be attacked first by NATO forces. Isnt that nice? NATO just randomly shoots at border patrols .... which is laughable. Pakistan has fired on us several times on the moutain sides and we did not retaliate.

That ended when the whole damn garrison was lit up. Dont shoot at us when you give us limited access to your border (to conduct patrols and raids in the moutains in which we have permission).

DONT SHOOT , we will do our best to kill you. Which we should.

Hell the men i killed , i pumped 5 to 6 more rounds in them before i got close to the body to make sure no explosives would go off and to make sure he was dead which you can do before you step over the body. Its legal. I could care less , ill die one day. Those that live by the sword die by the sword. O well.

Originally posted by milkyway12

Without Money , you arnt going to have very much food to import , your wrong on that situtaion ,

If the USA was self sufficient then it wouldnt need to worry about food imports.

As for the rest of your argument, it doesnt belong in this thread, maybe you should start a thread in religion about it.
That aside, the proof could be in front of your face and you would deny it so what is the point of arguing over it, I will waste no more time on it.

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You are right it does not belong in this thread. If you would have posted without attacking my belief i wouldnt be posting it.


The reason we import foods now is because Americans do not want to do Agriculture or do not have the propery to do. When a WAR starts , the government has set as side a substantial amount of Land for Agriculture. Americans life will change dramatically. A lot of the industry will change to production , which the government has substantial facilities for this as well to produce most of our war materials and surplus.



People do not realize the AMount of Planning and thinking you have to prepare for and HAS been prepared for and is being reviewed quaterly.



It would take me weeks to explain the things that have been planned for and prepared that took me 2 years to learn , and as well as to HOW to prepare for it.

Originally posted by milkyway12

What are you talking about?

Are you trying to tell me that the Pakistan soldiers are not justified in defending their country from American assaults? That they should just let US aircraft bomb Pakistanis?

Do you not understand that Pakistan is a nuclear-armed country that the US is conducting terrorism in by drone attacks, and by clashing with their military?

Yeah, real bloody smart.

And people complain about how the ISI help out the Taliban and possibly Al Qaeda (not like most people are able to make the distinction anyways)... so they must assume that the US government is so stupid that they still continue to provide billions of dollars to the very same people who the Americans are fighting... Of course, anyone with half a brain realizes that this is intentional in order to perpetuate the war effort.

PS Don't forget that you won't forget your actions on your deathbed, even worse when you realize the things that you do which you consider morally wrong. Shooting somebody in combat is one thing, but mutilation is another.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


What are YOU talking about?

No they are not justified in defending their country against NATO because THEY ARE HARBORING terrorist and supply them with information to ATTACK US Armed forces with and OTHER Arab nations , as well as Irsrael. They let them LAUNCH attacks on the Afghanistan NATION through Pakistan. They are Harboring Armed Forces that are HOSTILE. If you notice they refuse to attack the Terrorist that KILL their civilians.


You do not want to see an American Assualt on Pakistan. We havnt assualted anything yet. We would massacre their military like we did Iraq's .. twice. See what happens when you leave jobs unfinished? We went straight back to Iraq in 10 years , and 3000 people payed the price , so you make sure you finish the job.

DRONE attacks are TERRORISM?? LOL , Mistakes happen , but you need to cast the stones out of the Muslim terrorist you are protecting before you call us TERRORIST. We simply trying to get the job done that PAKISTAN REFUSES TO HELP ON , we have ASKED THEM several times to conduct operations to push them out , they refuse.

I HAVE EXPERIENCED pakistan RELAYING information to terrorist myself on an AMBUSH of an AMBUSH. We were briefed on a situtaion dealing with a suspicious ISI backslide , and we Ambushed our Ambush point and killed 13 *MOD EDIT: HUMAN BEINGS*. Pakistan were the only ones that knew of the operation and now SPECIAL FORCES have taken over those patrols. Thats all i have heard about it. So im not going to say what i want to say. This was confirmed on several other operations done with other units on the border. That Pakistan communication was fluked.


I'm tired of people that have not had first hand experience over there that talk about things THEY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. You guys dont know HALF the crap IRAN and PAKISTAN has done against NATO.



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Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by milkyway12

What are you talking about?

Are you trying to tell me that the Pakistan soldiers are not justified in defending their country from American assaults? That they should just let US aircraft bomb Pakistanis?

There was no American assault. Pakistan assaulted American forces which had permission to be where they were doing what they were doing. It was also NATO, not America.

Do you not understand that Pakistan is a nuclear-armed country that the US is conducting terrorism in by drone attacks, and by clashing with their military?

Yeah, real bloody smart.

Does Pakistan have the capability to launch on American Soil? I honestly do not know, but I imagine not as their nukes are for India.

And people complain about how the ISI help out the Taliban and possibly Al Qaeda (not like most people are able to make the distinction anyways)... so they must assume that the US government is so stupid that they still continue to provide billions of dollars to the very same people who the Americans are fighting... Of course, anyone with half a brain realizes that this is intentional in order to perpetuate the war effort.

Or it's a case of the devil we know. We do not like Pakistan, but we know what we are dealing with and believe we can help them become more civilized. Pakistan supporting peace will go a long way. If they do not support peace it most likely does not happen in the region, at all, ever.

PS Don't forget that you won't forget your actions on your deathbed, even worse when you realize the things that you do which you consider morally wrong. Shooting somebody in combat is one thing, but mutilation is another.

edit on 27-11-2011 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)

Where was mutilation done? He was making sure he finished the job, what every soldier that wants to stay alive should do. Or you can think you got the job done without making sure and one day the guy you "killed" will stop playing and put a round in your head, or set off an explosive device that kills you or your friends.

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One thing I will say, I am sure you will agree, God commands us to love our enemies. "Rag head" is not a term of endearment, and should not be used by a Christian. God said to love, so kill them when they need to be killed, but love every one of them, never kill with hate.

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Also , they use drugs that give them some what of an advantage when they are hit. We use 5.62 which kills you eventually , however , you can still fight for a few more minutes. Some of them would take hits passout , wake up and shoot back.


Some of them faked being dead or in the process, by faking dead man gasps , or by trying to hold their breath. Its hard to notice in the middle of combat if he is breathing or not if you have to advanced past him. You have a million other things on your mind.

5 to 6 rounds pepper the length of his body punctured area where explosives could be hid and ensured he was dead so he couldnt shoot at us if he woke up , or was faking it.

Its simply easier to pepper him.

He did not surrender , i did not kill a POW. I killed a Hostile target.


And you are correct , and i fight with this constantly. I do not hate the People as much as the religion.I do sometimes let my hate for their religion which is disgusting bleed to the people which i try not to do , but is rather hard. Islam is not Hindus or Buddas , which is peaceful and easy to get along with and speak with from what i have read. I just know the Muslim radicals are fostering my desire to rid us of them.

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Thanks.