*BREAKING* Russia Arms Syria With "Ship Killers": Missiles Threaten U.S. Navy Carrier

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Originally posted by jude11
In the back room, they might be thinking that it isn't worth it but as National pride, Russia knows that it is being viewed by the entire World right now and if there is no way to back out with their pride intact...?

They will only back down so many times and that point is getting very close IMO.

I agree. You have to give the Russians a way to save face in this situation. It is stupid of them to back a dictator like Assad in face of how the Arab Spring has played out, but that is a moot point. You have to give them a way to back down and out without looking like they did either.

Perhaps getting them involved with the Arab League initiatives would be a way for them to save face. Russia could be the facilitator, perhaps the only one, who can get Assad to step down and avoid major bloodshed. Without Russia's support, Assad is checking out which country will offer him the best exile deal.

Sometimes real diplomacy is letting someone else play hero to get your end objective done. Putin doesn't seem too much the diplomat though, but neither was Khrushchev.

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arab spring is essentially establishing the muslim brotherhood for saudi arabia.

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Not good enough.


They are aiming at a engine of a inflatable boat that is barely moving. A missile moves much quicker. In addition, it takes quite a while to make it explode, even with the gasoline running through the engine.

off topic sorry.

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Shift to chat.

This is merely opinion and based on no facts. It's just my gut feeling. Russia and the US are playing good cop bad cop on these countries to increase power and territory. Perhaps to be divided up at a later date under another guise. The US takes the role of the bad cop, and the Russia this time plays good cop. They lead the countries in question into some type of false security by false promises and so much propaganda from all sides that it overwhelms the country. When the lead starts flying and Russia is nowhere to be found that's all she wrote. It's an easy win.

Originally posted by malcr

Originally posted by princeofpeace
LOL!!!!! Yeah i was on Skype earlier with mahmoud ahmadinejad and he told me some stuff but im not gonna say it on here.

My thoughts exactly. Why on earth would the leader of a revolution give an interview to somebody on a conspiracy website. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people around the world with far more influence on syrian politics. Why waste what little opportunity you have on conspiracies.........nah sorry. My suspicions are getting every more confirmed about "The truth is viral".

I have already uploaded the interview portion of the show to AboveTopSecret and saved it on other media just in case. This particular individual watched my episode on Libya and liked what he saw before granting me the interview. He's a known personality, his identity is readily identifiable, and the things he had to say will make for a great show.

I don't normally like to make people eat their words, but in this case I'll make an exception since you guys are being so rude about it. When the episode airs an apology is due from several users because you are basically calling me a liar (of course I don't expect to receive one.)

I don't lie. Period.

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Yeah, I know I've seen the video and the idea is far-fetched... but do you really think that is the most advanced one they have?

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Well no, they had one they attached to a 747 a while back. Even still, I believe that if Syria were to fire these missiles on our ships they will have to resort to bullets for protection.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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I was speaking to one of the leaders of a Syrian opposition group via Skype earlier tonight (no I won't say who it is, you'll have to wait for the next episode of The Truth Is Viral)

Forgive me for stating the obvious but you just admitted to associating with a terrorist in an open chat forum.

I'm not surprised if this news is true though. It would make sense for Russia to arm Syria with various weapon systems to help protect their interests in the region, especially with certain countries playing their usual role as he regional bully.

I'm stuck waiting until the next episode of your show to get the remainder of the details about your terrorist friend you're chatting with on Skype. I hope an alphabet agency doesn't kick your door down before that

ROTFLMAO!

He's not a terrorist. He's a legit dude, and a very gracious individual, living in the West after having fled Syria with his family fearing for their lives.

I've been trading emails back and forth with the Iranian Mission to the U.N. as well. Brother, my head is on a constant swivel looking for Predators in the skies.

I'm just kidding of course, but unreleased email conversations were all the Prez had on al-Awlaki so who knows. I'm hardly worth the cost of a Hellfire missile though. Small fish and all. I don't expect to have an easy time boarding a plane - especially after the shellacking I gave Aunt Janet in the current episode - but I don't think anything more serious than that will come about.

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Russia threatening the USA is much like Argentina threatening the USA. Or if you would like to draw another comparison. A little Chihuahua barking at the mail man.


Fact: USA has 43% of all the globes military expenditures. Russia has 3.6%

Russia is much like Iran, all bark, no bite. Russia isn’t stupid, they won’t do anything. This is a non issue. Their technology is lacking. Their morale is lacking. Their numbers are lacking. Their unified support is lacking. Their training is lacking. Their spending is lacking.





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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by jude11
In the back room, they might be thinking that it isn't worth it but as National pride, Russia knows that it is being viewed by the entire World right now and if there is no way to back out with their pride intact...?

They will only back down so many times and that point is getting very close IMO.

I agree. You have to give the Russians a way to save face in this situation. It is stupid of them to back a dictator like Assad in face of how the Arab Spring has played out, but that is a moot point. You have to give them a way to back down and out without looking like they did either.

Perhaps getting them involved with the Arab League initiatives would be a way for them to save face. Russia could be the facilitator, perhaps the only one, who can get Assad to step down and avoid major bloodshed. Without Russia's support, Assad is checking out which country will offer him the best exile deal.

Sometimes real diplomacy is letting someone else play hero to get your end objective done. Putin doesn't seem too much the diplomat though, but neither was Khrushchev.

You've struck upon a salient point. Ultimately ALL the Russians care about are their ability to roam the Med at will from their port at Tartus and looking like they are still players. Of course they are still players - anybody with thousands of ICBMs is a player - but world perception of their power is key as well. They took a significant hit to their national pride when the Soviet Union collapsed, and Putin has never taken that very well. It's taken them some time to recover, but Putin - the man behind Medvedev, and most likely the next President (again) - has it in his mind that he is going to restore some of the prestige lost.

If they can strike a deal with the opposition that allows their continued use of the ports in Syria, maybe with a prominent mediation role as a bonus, they will let Assad go by the wayside just as they did Gadaffi.

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The U.S. wouldn't be mullying around the seven seas with only bullets to protect their carrier strike groups. Is a laser defense system fully operational and powerful enough to take out multiple Soviet "ship killer" missiles? I have no idea and doubt it too. But once they admit they have a new technology they are normally much further along than what is shown. They hid the B-2 and F-117 for quite a few years before they were acutally used in service.

Honestly, I think the term "ship killers" is meant to scare us into keeping our defense budget through the roof and off the page. Could they sink a ship? Definitely. Would that act give the commander-in-chief enough reason to send in a full-scale effort to destory that entire area with some new technology? Well what do you think?

Originally posted by jude11
I've seen a lot of posts stating that Russia will back down and that this is just saber rattling.

I don't think so. Russia is getting sick & tired of the US trying to dictate how the World should run and many other Countries are feeling the same way.

Still got a bad feeling about all this. Russia is NOT the Country to Pi$$ off.

edit on 24-11-2011 by jude11 because: (no reason given)

Although not a fan of US foreign policy, when it comes to other nations, at least their governments -especially Russia- it's less a matter of being tired of American domination than of desiring their nation to be the dominating one.
Don't mistake opposing a tyrannical entity with being pro-freedom. Rarely the case. A Russia dominated world is a lot less desirable, IMO, than a U.S. dominated one.

And if Russia messes with us, we can destroy them about 10,000 times over. Not scared of peeing them off. More worried about the incursion of homeland "security" on American citizens than I am about any foreign attack.