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Originally posted by MaximosPoena
reply to post by -W1LL

 

Vietnam protesters were out in the millions for a good cause. Ending the war.
OWS protesters are out in the thousands. Ignores the wars and demand Handouts.

Kent State Army National Guards used real Bullets.

OWS get pelted with Rubber bullets from Cops.

I'm sorry, no comparison.

Massive S & F fest for a FAIL

Go figure.

Gosh, you're right! Well, you heard 'im people! SOMEONE HAS TO DIE before this merits any discussion so let's all stop and just remain completely silent! We wouldn't want to do anything foolish and try to prevent it BEFORE it happens. These are just rubber bullets, it only put a Marine in a coma... You know, the toughest fighting machine on the planet... No biggie...

reply to post by Athin

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax. They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy. They want jobs to be handed to them. They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Hmm, maybe you should go tell them that is what they are demanding, because that sure sounds familiar. Almost verbatim what the other people continually post in each and every thread. Yes, we saw that 1 video of that 1 guy demanding a free education, woo hoo for generalizations.

Actually, friend, they are fighting to end corporate fraud, put the bankers who, through fraud, crashed the economy in jail, and making the people at the top, the ones who run those banks and corporations, pay their fair share of taxes instead of playing the tax code like a harp.

And what does that mean for you, my selfish friend? You get lower taxes because instead of taxing the crap out of the bottom 90% so the top 10% don't pay, everyone pays their share and in turn, everyone benefits in lower taxes and better services.

But whatever, you've obviously spent countless hours talking to these people and understanding what they want, ignoring the fact that these protests are happening globally, you are correct, it's all 100% crap paid by soros for lazy bums too lazy to get a job.

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Back to Op.

Seriously, you can't try to compare the 60s to now, and I happen to support OWS, but you still can't do it, specifically because it will turn into THIS THREAD. It's not the same. "They" have already one.

In the 60s you had millions out protesting, and millions more silently supporting them.

Now you have thousands out protesting and millions at home brainwashed into hating freedom. Because that's what these guys who desperately are trying to smear OWS are doing, hating on freedom.

They deny the protests are taking place.
They deny the protests have that many people.
They deny the protestors have demands
They deny the protestors facts
They complain there is no leader.
They attempt to assassinate the character of anyone who might be able to take "the lead"

All they do, is repeat talking points.

Here's a little helpful information to help you ignore those talking from inside their anus:

If they claim OWS are dirty hippies, ignore
If they claim OWS are socialist, ignore
If they claim OWS are paid, by anyone, ignore
If they claim OWS hasn't voiced their demands, ignore
If they claim OWS want handouts, ignore

Which brings me to a problem. I can't grasp this little quirk of logic at all, and I need your help.

The people complaining about OWS wanting socialism and handouts are obviously against socialism and handouts right?

But OWS has set a main goal of punishing the bankers and government for THEIR SOCIALIST HANDOUTS.

I just can't get past this point.

You are either in favor of socialism (support the current system)
Or you are against socialism (support OWS's goal of punishing the crooks who took the bailouts)

So from now on, that's how I'm going to calibrate my douche-ometer. You've got to pick a side. Either for or against socialist handouts.

Ehhh . all Kent State proved is that the Ohio National Guard needed more time at the rifle range.

reply to post by SirMike


and that they should have been using themselves as target practice.

reply to post by Acidtastic


No, they had the right targets. You lose the privilege to be treated like a civilized person when you decide its time to riot and burn down the local ROTC building.

Originally posted by MaximosPoena
reply to post by -W1LL

 

Vietnam protesters were out in the millions for a good cause. Ending the war.
OWS protesters are out in the thousands. Ignores the wars and demand Handouts.

Kent State Army National Guards used real Bullets.

OWS get pelted with Rubber bullets from Cops.

I'm sorry, no comparison.

Massive S & F fest for a FAIL

Go figure.

Well said. If OWS isn't off comparing itself to Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement, it's off trying to make comparisons to the Anti-War movement of the 1960's.

I'm thinking if OWS were really growing, becoming more widely accepted and finding success, we wouldn't have so many OWS members making statements about what a success they are having with it. Such things would be self evident and un-necessary to yell and brag on for the basic idea that it isn't outright failing. lol.... Oh well.

Wake up people is time to take leadership not by One leader but by the THOUSANDS OF LEADERS.

protest against the wealthy scum, look at your surroundings and see thousands of job being demolished because of high interest, low income.

How many people I know who are unemployed receiving, unemployment checks , and they tell me I rather be working.

Also companies who rather spend millions of dollars on advertisements and not even one cent on improving the environment Now we have to pay for bags, bottles and our waste management.

Our government is just supporting them, Republicans or Democrats no difference

STOP THE MADNESS

Originally posted by -W1LL
we are all the 99% (anyone who pays thier taxes honestly) and we want our freedom our founding fathers fought and died for.

Which is a noble sentiment however dont you think people should at the very least know and understand what their rights are, how they work and when they dont apply?

Blocking public right of ways, throwing rocks, glass bottle, items, destroying private as well as public property is not protesting - its rioting.

If people are going to take action, they should know how things work.

Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

No, they had the right targets. You lose the privilege to be treated like a civilized person when you decide its time to riot and burn down the local ROTC building.

No, the military loose any rights, infact any human looses any rights when they kill people. In war or in protest. If you kill, then you loose, and I hope that also you'll have to answer to it upon death. I hope that their god forgives them, becasue I do not, and I never will. They are scum, anyone who can use lethal force against another human becasue they've been told to, is scum. In self defence is different, but just becasue someone tells you to kill, it doesn't make it right. If tbhey were told to rape a 3 year old child I have absolutley no doubt in my mind that they would do it. becasue these people are minldess robots who are unable to think for themsevles. That goes for these cops today, the cops back then, and militaries who kill for political reason.

The Viet-Nam war protesters had a clearly stated goal and a single message. The OWS goals are diffuse and not clearly stated. The hangers-on are not helping by bringing laundry lists of demands and getting themselves interviewed, further confusing the public as to the goals of OWS. Many claim leadership and even try to copyright OWS and other such terms, showing that capitalism and free markets still reign while others are claiming a more socialistic state is needed.
OWS needs a restart with a single goal and possible solutions that can be negotiated with lawmakers. If the goal is market and banking reform, OWS should start proposing legislation. We should rethink antitrust laws [no one is too big to fail] undo the combination of commercial and investment banks, relegate derivatives and futures trading to separate casino companies, and tighten the reins on insider trading.
Petitions should be well thought out with reasonable regulations and unintended consequences should be carefully considered. Until the public understands what is desired, the Occupy folks will be just another traffic jam on the way to work.

Originally posted by -W1LL


60's police and military brutality on unarmed citizens for speaking their mind...

today - police brutality only sugar coated as you put it with rubber bullets the reasoning citizens protesting and speaking their mind...

it is the same now if not worse than it was back then for the simple fact that we have not learned from those 4 deaths of innocent civilians so many years ago.

I'm curious which you have hoped we would have learned:

:1) Just let destructive mobs tear things up - after all, kids will be kids!

OR

2) Don't throw rocks and bottles at people with guns.

Originally posted by MaximosPoena
reply to post by -W1LL

 

Vietnam protesters were out in the millions for a good cause. Ending the war.
OWS protesters are out in the thousands. Ignores the wars and demand Handouts.

Kent State Army National Guards used real Bullets.

OWS get pelted with Rubber bullets from Cops.

I'm sorry, no comparison.

Massive S & F fest for a FAIL

Go figure.

Wasn't it Democratic Politicians in charge at the time as well?

Ho-hum.

As long as you state "Filthy Pigs" or some other Hippie retread or militant black panther mantra, you will be showered with affection by these people.



Comparing it to OWS is an atrocity on its own.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by -W1LL
we are all the 99% (anyone who pays thier taxes honestly) and we want our freedom our founding fathers fought and died for.

Which is a noble sentiment however dont you think people should at the very least know and understand what their rights are, how they work and when they dont apply?

Blocking public right of ways, throwing rocks, glass bottle, items, destroying private as well as public property is not protesting - its rioting.

If people are going to take action, they should know how things work.

I agree but these are not the protests and not what OWS stands for... we are NOT black hooded rebels destroying the public and its property.
I must ask why are the protesters being beaten maced bloodied and cuffed when all the while all the black hoods are destroying property raping and pillaging with not a cop in sight? not until the camera is on that is.

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Athin

Originally posted by Hillarie
Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!

They do know what they're there for

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax.
They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy.
They want jobs to be handed to them.
They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams
They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Shame on you for thinking there is no reason to protest

wow, my 9 year old nephew knows more about the occupy movement than you do

And your proud of that?
There is the issue.
Lose of priorities.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by -W1LL


60's police and military brutality on unarmed citizens for speaking their mind...

today - police brutality only sugar coated as you put it with rubber bullets the reasoning citizens protesting and speaking their mind...

it is the same now if not worse than it was back then for the simple fact that we have not learned from those 4 deaths of innocent civilians so many years ago.

I'm curious which you have hoped we would have learned:

:1) Just let destructive mobs tear things up - after all, kids will be kids!

OR

2) Don't throw rocks and bottles at people with guns.

:pus:

I would hope that you would not be so dense to see that UNARMED CITIZENS are being bloodied by our very own people that we pay to protect us. we are not in control never have been.
protesting is not Illegal it is our right im sorry if you're mad about traffic of litter on the street get out there and stop it address you grievance to OWS maybe youll get heard. but if you're not out there nothing will change.

OWS does not have any one goal there are many and they are always changing.


For all those of you who think they know what OWS is about and their goals.

Occupy Wall Street

Goals While the Demands Working Group favored a fairly concrete set of national policy proposals, others within the movement prefer a looser, more localized set of goals and they have put together a competing document, the Liberty Square Blueprint,

a wiki page edited by some 250 occupiers and still undergoing changes. The introduction to the draft document read: "Demands cannot reflect inevitable success. Demands imply condition, and we will never stop. Demands cannot reflect the time scale that we are working with."

Journalists such as Shannon Bond for the Financial Times have said it was hard to discern a unified aim for the movement.
However, other commentators have said that although the movement is not in complete agreement on its message and goals, it does have a message which is fairly coherent. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, protesters want more and better jobs, more equal distribution of income, bank reform, and a reduction of the influence of corporations on politics.

Adbusters co-founder Kalle Lasn has compared the protests to the Situationists and the Protests of 1968 movements.

as it says the goals are ever changing so why not add you're grievance you are the 99%

reply to post by macman


Nixon was in the president's chair, but locally, the guy who ordered the guard out was Jim Rhodes, governor of Ohio at the time, who was also a Republican.

The "hippie retread" comment made me laugh, though. it appears that OWS isn't racking up martyrs as fast as they'd like to, and so have to "borrow" martyrs from us old folks that other wise they hold in derision.

40 year old martyrs.... had to reach out hard to hug them and claim them for their own, didn't they?

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Athin

 

Back to Op.

Seriously, you can't try to compare the 60s to now, and I happen to support OWS, but you still can't do it, specifically because it will turn into THIS THREAD. It's not the same. "They" have already one.

In the 60s you had millions out protesting, and millions more silently supporting them.

Now you have thousands out protesting and millions at home brainwashed into hating freedom. Because that's what these guys who desperately are trying to smear OWS are doing, hating on freedom.

They deny the protests are taking place.
They deny the protests have that many people.
They deny the protestors have demands
They deny the protestors facts
They complain there is no leader.
They attempt to assassinate the character of anyone who might be able to take "the lead"

All they do, is repeat talking points.

Here's a little helpful information to help you ignore those talking from inside their anus:

If they claim OWS are dirty hippies, ignore
If they claim OWS are socialist, ignore
If they claim OWS are paid, by anyone, ignore
If they claim OWS hasn't voiced their demands, ignore
If they claim OWS want handouts, ignore

Which brings me to a problem. I can't grasp this little quirk of logic at all, and I need your help.

The people complaining about OWS wanting socialism and handouts are obviously against socialism and handouts right?

But OWS has set a main goal of punishing the bankers and government for THEIR SOCIALIST HANDOUTS.

I just can't get past this point.

You are either in favor of socialism (support the current system)
Or you are against socialism (support OWS's goal of punishing the crooks who took the bailouts)

So from now on, that's how I'm going to calibrate my douche-ometer. You've got to pick a side. Either for or against socialist handouts.

I see what you mean but you must see that the word in your list Ignore is why we are here today it all started in the 60's 4 people died we thought we had change and the end to the war... but like in Egypt now as I point out in this thread
Extreme violence as Egypt cracks down on protests
it was all just Talk and propaganda to get the people out of the streets and back into their jobs schools and tax paying lives Ignoring what is really going on.

I do agree we should not play their game we should try to educate them with knowledge not anger or arguments that is why i linked the OWS wiki page in my last post so now hopefully there will be no more posts with ignorant statements such as the ones you pointed out.

my goal is to make people stop IGNORING deny the IGNORance and wake up to the fact that we are all the 99%

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Athin

Originally posted by Hillarie
Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!

They do know what they're there for

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax.
They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy.
They want jobs to be handed to them.
They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams
They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Shame on you for thinking there is no reason to protest

wow, my 9 year old nephew knows more about the occupy movement than you do

And your proud of that?

There is the issue.
Lose of priorities.

Actually yes i am. he asked why I had "occupy everything" written down the plaster cast on my leg, and I told him. He's a bright lad and when I said about companies and their power in goverments, swaying decisions to go to war killing people for money ect, he knew that it is a bad thing. and seemed pleased that people were trying to stop it. I will be proud if he grows up with these kinds of priorities, as i know his mum will.

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by macman

 

Nixon was in the president's chair, but locally, the guy who ordered the guard out was Jim Rhodes, governor of Ohio at the time, who was also a Republican.

The "hippie retread" comment made me laugh, though. it appears that OWS isn't racking up martyrs as fast as they'd like to, and so have to "borrow" martyrs from us old folks that other wise they hold in derision.

40 year old martyrs.... had to reach out hard to hug them and claim them for their own, didn't they?

edit on 2011/11/21 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

What was the Govt offices held locally?
The Pres has nothing to do with deployment of the national guard.
The Gov does.
But, who was in charge locally that allowed the crap to grow to what it became?

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by macman

 

Nixon was in the president's chair, but locally, the guy who ordered the guard out was Jim Rhodes, governor of Ohio at the time, who was also a Republican.

The "hippie retread" comment made me laugh, though. it appears that OWS isn't racking up martyrs as fast as they'd like to, and so have to "borrow" martyrs from us old folks that other wise they hold in derision.

40 year old martyrs.... had to reach out hard to hug them and claim them for their own, didn't they?

edit on 2011/11/21 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

can we please stay on topic?

NO one is claiming anything I asked in my OP for you to observe...