OWS Protester: …in a few days you’re going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy’s.

Originally posted by DerekJR321
I love you people. You crack me up.

I see constant bitching and complaining on here about our government. About corporations and everything else. I see complaints about bail outs, complaints about gas prices, wall street, etc etc etc.

But people go out and actually protest??? HA! Stupid hippies with no jobs. I hope they get shot in the face. I hope their kids lose their parents. How dare they stand up to a corrupt government.

To everyone who is against OWS... and who thinks this country is screwed up. What do you propose we do? Honestly.

There is something called an escalation process
You can't turn a park into a tent city and then say you tried everything
I mean come on, very little thinking is required to understand what i'm saying

You can't take the most stupidest approach possible and then say you have tried various options

First you occupy Washington, for those who can't drive/fly that far you occupy the office of your local representative.

You first and foremost educate yourself, and then go out and try to educate others
You have a list of demands so everyone knows what your goals are and so others can't hijack your movement

Most of these protestors will be voting for Obama, meanwhile they are occupying his biggest campaign donors, does that make any sense to you?
No, that's why you educate yourself first.

Now if these approaches don't work then we can see how to escalate.

And don't say people already tried this.
If I have walked a mile in broken shoes it doesn't mean you don't walk because I already did for you
no I didn't
Your movement has to do it's own work

reply to post by Kryties


"Shunning" certain people is a non-issue. If they support violence, they need to go. Your goals are more important than a few people's feelings. Plus, you can deter anymore of the same behavior by making an example of them and removing them. That's all there is to it. The how is easier, if you hear them, or see them, advocating or practicing aggressive or violent behavior tell them to kick rocks. Time to go home.

And yes, leadership and goals are essential, as is non-violence. In fact, the title of the thread I linked is "Protests: The case for Non-Violence, Leadership, and Clear Goals." It has gone completely ignored by OWS supporters, which I find odd, as everything it details can onloy help OWS.

When they roll out the NON-Lethal Sonic Crowd Control weapons them OWS protestors will be glad they cleaned up the area .. as they are wiggling in TEMPORARY pain on the ground where the feces and vomit was....not saying it is right - but reality is reality.

The OP shows the sad state of American Education.

It shows a whole generation of "our young people" who have no freaking clue as to how lasting consequences follow you when you decide to use violence; almost like a kind of Karma.

It's fixing to get real, alright. Real for the protesters I mean.

See, for the NYPD it has been real all along. And since the flower of our nation's youth have no education about the way the real world works, they are about to get "schooled" by the cops.

Remedial classes begin on Friday. Advanced placement students will ave watched Chris Rock's presentation

So let me see if I got this right.. your painting the entire movement as violent because of individual doing things outside the movement?

Even your own source says the same thing...

While the official movement is planning its day of action, other individuals seem to be making plans of their own.

Did you see the words "other individuals"? So even your article clearly states that this claim of committing violence has nothing to do with the OWS movement itself. It is the actions of an Individual.

This is the same as saying that since Republican Dick Cheney went hunting and shot his friend in the face, that all hunting Republicans will do the same thing so do not go hunting with a Republican.

If Macy's is indeed a target then I think there is misplaced anger and I would be against this action.

Now, if the cocktail went through Chase's window, by all means burn the F#@$ER down.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

So we have one protestor threatening molotov cocktails.

Okay.

Then this means that all the tea party posters we have on this thread are murderers, since once of their own gunned down a nine year old girl - and five other people - in an attempt to murder a Democratic senator?

Sorry--that guy has been shown NOT to be from the tea party:

The Tucson Tea Party quickly searched its email list and membership rolls and found no record of any participation in the group by Jared Loughner, the suspect in the shootings, which left six people dead and 14 wounded, including Giffords, who was fighting for her life on Sunday afternoon.
“I know our people and there’s nobody that would fit the profile that would do something like this, especially since we knew right away that many people had been shot,” Trent Humphries, co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party and a frequent critic of Giffords, told POLITICO. “This was obviously somebody who was crazy. To shoot someone anyway is crazy, but to do it indiscriminately like that, you knew that there was something else attached to this.”

Nonetheless, accusations of political motivation quickly dominated a rancorous national debate about the shootings, with liberalspointing the finger at the tea party movement and its heroes, including Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, and conservatives accusing liberals and the media of irresponsibly politicizing the shootings while ignoring evidence they said proved the shooter was not one of them and may, in fact, have had more in common with left-wing extremists.


Read more: www.politico.com...

If you research that guy, he was a nut. He was an independently acting nut. He never claimed that he was doing this for the tea party, unless I missed it.

reply to post by Resinveins


I'm let down by the "protests" because I think they had an incredible opportunity and, due to the aforementioned lack of focus or leadership, they blew it.

The majority of the reporting in the NYC papers last week seemed to center on the division of the protestors. The park was, apparently, split between actual protestors and the hangers on, homeless and whatnot. There was reporting about OS justice against a rising number of molestation cases (folks took to groping and worse during the night).

A disorganized gathering of people, for an extended period of time, with music is, in my eyes, not much different from a rave but I didn't mean to insult you or anyone else. I think the folks who were trying to make a statement, somehow, wound up attracting a lot of people who were there for other reasons and that made the protest seem more party like and less protest like.

Maybe it's the theme protests that seem to lend a bachanialial air to the protests.

Yep OWS protesters and their defenders once upon a time on this site went around quoting Ghandi and calling the Founders a bunch of rich white slave owners and now.

Yeah i sit back here in amazement at them not a single one of them ever wanted to give the TPM movement a fair shake and still won't.

Arson is violence and it is the destruction of private property hence that is why people go to jail for it and if someone gets caught up in the fire which has happened so many times before that is murder.

The Founders are rollling over in their graves right now.

Meh molotov cocktails the preferred weapon of "marxist revolutionists"

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
...Then this means that all the tea party posters we have on this thread are murderers, since once of their own gunned down a nine year old girl - and five other people - in an attempt to murder a Democratic senator?

The only comparison OWS's lunatics have to the Tea Party is a left-leaning bonafide crazy person? Jared Lee Loughner was not Tea Party at all. He was a "right wing" fringer according to the media as soon as the tragedy happened and the more they learned about his leftism the quieter the media got about his political orientation.

You consistently post the most ridiculous stuff sweety. I'm sure your Momma told you you're special though.

reply to post by TreadUpon


Don't be jelly dear.. I'm not your Momma...

But you're special too


Big hugs

Of course, things like this could never happen, in the USA, and especially NYC....

www.google.com

www.boston.com...

Right?

All of that anger and violence was supposedly ignited by police killing a man.

That is why some key anonymous players in the OWS movement badly want martyrs here.

If they get one what could happen here?

If no one saw this coming, then no one really used their minds. NON-violent protests only stay non-violent for so long.
Regardless of whether these OWS protests are legit or not, (not staged, or choreographed), once they turn violent, they will lose ALL credibility.
Just imagine how the Illuminati controlled media will spin it? The next thing you know, you'll have the military involved... Shooting protesters, bringing in Martial Law.... Then we will be living in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR!

The powers that be are the ones wanting it to become violent. They know that all they have to do is ignore the protesters demands, and overemphasize the fact the protesters are being ignored by the MSM while getting the MSM to "suggest" violent options. The protesters seem to also be people protesting the wrong cause, not justice to the greedy pigs, but some twisted vision of "fairness" as in "where is MY bailout?" never mind the whole idea of big bank bailouts and corporate welfare is flat out wrong. Chairman Mao would have been proud. Once it starts it will spread to every major city and allowed to grow out of control of local police, then the "normal law abiding citizens" will demand safety from the powers that be. The powers will have the plan for martial law, death camp activation, and enslavement all ready to go by then.

FWIW I like my Molotov cocktails shaken, not stirred with about 120 proof and a lime chaser.

reply to post by Crakeur


Well I can understand your disappointment.. a lot of ppl voice the same sentiments.

Maybe I don't feel the same because I had no expectations. I knew leadership and direction were lacking in most cases. I didn't think it was going to significantly change .. unless things got pretty violent. Which thankfully it did not. It's interesting to watch this way.

Watching the authorities try to deal with something that has no specific spokesperson is interesting too.

But they'll keep my support mostly for two things.

In general they treated the homeless like people.. instead of subhumans, even though it made them easy targets for jokes and verbal abuse dealing with hygiene, mental illness, bleh dirty filthy bums .. get rid of them or your movement looks like a lice jamboree.

But they ignored that.. and good for them.. I don't think much of ppl who's reaction to the homeless is ewww get them away. hell a hefty percentage are vets... all of them are human. And empathy is not quite as dead as I thought it was.

The other reason they'll keep my support is the restraint they showed (for the most part) when faced with police violence. I know for a surety I'd not pass that test... turning the other cheek is easier said than done.. especially when you're getting hit with a club.I'd lose my mind if a cop even said he was gonna hit me with a club.. let alone have him do it. But they stayed peaceful.. and gained my admiration.

As long as they don't do something as a group that I would object to.. they'll likely enjoy my support.
But if they try to make a political party out of it.. they'll probably lose it.I've been conditioned to despise political parties... blame Pavlov.

Plus there are no other groups out there.. how do I not support the one group trying to do something? Even if they have a muddled message and almost non-existant leadership. It's the only game in town

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

Of course, the "official" leaderless movement is calling for only nonviolent protests, behind the scenes there are plans for "burning New York City to the ground".

edit on 11/16/11 by Ferris.Bueller.II because: (no reason given)

edit on 11/16/11 by Ferris.Bueller.II because: (no reason given)

I try not to pay attention to these folks because I just can't understand the movement. How can the unemployed and downtrodden better themselves by camping out 24/7 in a park? I just don't understand how that works. And just why in the world these people protesting in NY? There seems to be someone banking this so why couldn't that someone rent a bus picking up folks(harold camping did it) and drive straight to the White House...

Thats where I could see the most damage being done. Imagine having to deal with thousands of protesters every day.

In regards to the burning down of NY ... that would only make the World realize how stupid Americans really are. We have a completely unorganized movement with very conflicting demands(are there really ANY?). And now that we haven't been able to change much of anything...we decide to go the London route and burn and loot. Sickos.

reply to post by Kryties

Trouble is, how does OWS get rid of the violent ones without looking like they are deliberately shunning certain parts of society and acting like those that they are protesting against?

Ahhh….reminds me of the great liberal conundrum!

Question: What do we do when the people come to collect after we’ve promised to give everyone everything they’ve asked for?

Answer: Dunno….maybe blame Republicans?? It’s obviously impossible to deliver.

In the case of OWS it’s more like:

Question: How do we allow everyone to express themselves in the way they want (some violently) knowing that the action of those few will hurt the entire movement?

Answer: YOU CAN’T! This is exactly what happens when you have a lack of leadership and a lack of clearly defined operating procedures and goals. You can’t be all things to all people because it’s unsustainable….the movement will crumble under its own weight (like socialism).

The instigators must be removed…..regardless whether their feelings are hurt. Violence by OWS will destroy the movement because there aren’t enough of them to achieve revolution. What they will be left with is a lot of dead or incarcerated OWS’ers and resentment by the majority of the public. My question is this - They can’t even run OWS so how would they run the country if they did accomplish a revolution??

I agree though, these protests have gone nowhere fast. There needs to be a different approach, perhaps as the Crakster said under a clear form of leadership with clear goals and rules.

That is the only way they will accomplish anything IMO. That and drop the call for socialism (free school, socialized healthcare, living wage, etc). That kind of stuff doesn’t fly with the general public.

One thing I will always do though, no matter how much crap I cop from people about it, is ALWAYS support the rights of people to protest wherever and whenever they want.

Agreed! Always support the right to PEACEFULLY protest. OWS has fallen from that standard on numerous occasions though. I support their right as long as they remain peaceful.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

One thing I will always do though, no matter how much crap I cop from people about it, is ALWAYS support the rights of people to protest wherever and whenever they want.

What gives them a right to throw molatovs or even threaten to?
This is violent insurection, not protesting.
Those with vehement hatred towards the Unites States are frothing at the mouth to get it started, they have no love for the sheeple that make up the OWS mobs.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


Would one call the Boston Tea Party violent when they were throwing potentially thousands of dollars worth of tea into the bay? Think about it, throwing all that tea overboard also meant they were hurting the rest of society by keeping them from having tea, as it turned out it was indeed for a greater good. Despite the fact that people had to do without tea they were justified in doing this. I feel it is fair game to most extents and as long as the anger is properly placed.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


You must have missed the part where we discussed that in length and mutually agreed that yes, it is a bad thing and that the OWS crowd needs to cull the few bad apples it seems to have found. In no way does a sane person believe that the intentions of one or two violent nutjobs mirror those of the OWS protesters as a whole.

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