FAKE: Occupy Wallstreet is bought by Gates,Soros,Rockefeller and others for $3.6m

reply to post by undo


I did.. it's right there in the middle.. think about that.

One.. he assumes to know the motivations.. of not just some.. nay.. all who participated .. and they are all there for a payoff. Rubbish. Self delusional rubbish at that. Thanks for peering into the depths of everyone's motivations.. and imagining you see greed and ill intent in all.

By that logic we should all just lay down and give up.. because no one is any different than the greed we strive against.


As for eloquence.. yes.. eloquence when speaking of tactics in battle.

Other than that.. not so much.

Anything to discredit OWS is what this is.

If the likes of Soros is "backing" Wall Street with his money, then he is not doing a very good job, considering by "others" how many "dirty" "smelly" "filthy" "hippies" there are "defectating" all over since that seems to be the complaint by those "against" OWS.

Soros would be outfitting them with Jerseys, and there would be back to back latrines on the camp grounds.

Of course, this is all BS

How do you propose people get the word out in a big way to do this together, and not in some obscure, hidden way, that many people do not know this is happening and don't know to join in?

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Yep, therefore there is no way to ever protest the authority because the authority is behind the protest.

So we should just go back to our jobs like good little slaves because had we stood up against this system, that would mean we are supporters of the system.

/end cognitive dissonance

No they are protesting them the wrong way.

If you really want to make an impact and not get beat by police just stop using their institutions.

First you have to stop...

-Using all Bank and credit systems. (community owned credit unions)
-Stop buying gas and petroleum(use a bike or move closer to work if this is even possible for you)
-Stop eating GMO (find )
-Stop watching mega-corp news watch RT,Infowars,keiser report,TYT. Give them your ratings.
-TV Ratings collusion.Watch only shows that relate to nwo,banker fraud,fraud,God, secret societies, conspiracies etc. Record them on your DVR. Stop watching "Stupid network TV". If you want to watch that just bittorrent them instead.
-Stop watching all movies accept ones that talk about or suggest a nwo,God,secret societies,FEMA, post apocalyptic. No stupid crap like toy story 3,Shrek 80,Pirates of the Caribean sequels or Avatar. Torrent them do not pay for them. Borrow them from a friend.
-Stop using paper money and start using a alternative trading system like bitcoin or a locally exclusive customize variant of it.


Then you can start...

-a few voter collusion unions(everyone votes the same way...like for Ron Paul, a libertarian or any non-corporate puppet)
-eating non-gmo food
-eat anti-carcinogenic food like broccoli,and sauerkraut.
-watching pro-liberty tv
-watching pro-freedom/anti-police-state movies
-buy only locally grown food or organic food.
-use only locally ran owned institutions
-buy only locally made goods

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


The fact is that they do everything to make people think that they are the ultimate leaders of people.

They just want to disappoint people from their movement.

It is some kind of disappoint and conquer tactic.

Occupy Wallstreet is bought by Gates,Soros,Rockefeller and others for $3.6m

It just disappoints slaves for money.

reply to post by Resinveins


i admit that was a huge over generalization he made, but it is the unspoken bottom line of socialism. socialism
is both a good thing and a bad thing, simultaneously. it's good, in that it provides for as many as it is capable of providing for with provisos. the provisos are often very targetted and narrow, such as you can be a billionaire and keep all your gain provided you agree to socialism for the common folk and help to usher it in. what that essentially does is lower everyone to the same poverty line by literally stealing their stuff because they weren't rich enough to make the cut. we all become one big mass of misery with a handful of very rich people who made the grade because they promised the poor food and shelter by taking it from the people that have food and shelter but not much else

it's not a bad thing to help people who are struggling and poor, but to do so shouldn't require making everyone poor. that just doesn't make sense.

Your very much correct.

It does not matter if all OWS movements are now ended.

The conversations that have sprung forth from these movements have opened a lot of peoples eyes to the corruption between Wall Street and the "government"

There are many supporters, and then there even more people on the sidelines that now understand that what we have in the government and on Wall Street can no longer be tolerated to go on so it is only a matter of time before this comes to head.

People are talking about this and it is not going away.

Originally posted by CREAM
THE REVOLUTION HAS ALREADY BEEN WON IN OUR HEARTS!

I am 10000000% percent positive we will win it in real life. I am not being sarcastic, some people just don't get it....

YET!

ANYONE WHO SAYS OWS, THE ANTI-CORRUPTION MOVEMENT, WONT SUCCEED, HAS NO FAITH OR HAS BEEN LISTENING TO THE LIES OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.


WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER! Unless you are a corrupt insider-trading politician, or a big banker, you have nothing to worry about!!! Our country is full of good people!

BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE REALLY IS THE 99%

reply to post by seabag


I went to the Fox News article you posted.
nation.foxnews.com...

At the bottom of the Fox News article you have this:

READ THE FULL STORY AT REUTERS

It's a link and when you click that link it takes you here:

Our apologies, the requested page was not found. Please double-check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble finding a page in Reuters, please choose from the options below:

Source:www.reuters.com...

Reuters was eager to jump on the Soros/ OWS connection, that's why they had to back pedal and put this out.

Soros: not a funder of Wall Street protests

Source:www.reuters.com...

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


To those that know the truth I apologize for re-posting this constantly but apparently the message seems to get lost because certain nameless individuals cannot see the truth for themselves!

There is no individual founder. We are not representative by the political beliefs of our partner firms and are in NO WAY, SHAPE, SENSE OR FORM a declaration of political allegiance.

I give not a toss for what you or anyone thinks about this as this is the only thing that matters. If we wanted to be a leftist group we would've aligned ourselves firmly with the Dems but that has yet to occur and will not occur ever as they both are corrupt to the core!

WE WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY BILLIONAIRE AS WELL AS ANY POLITICAL PARTY!

You are not a billionaire or a trillionaire so to the people you are sitting here defending do not give a toss for you, your family, your friends or anyone you know. They see you as collateral damage. They own you and by refusing to join up means you've already surrendered your Constitutional rights to The SCUM! To them you are their slave. More then 150,000,000 Americans stand united with this group and the numbers grow by the hour.

No other movement in recent memory has ever been this large. This movement has totally eclipsed that of The Tea Party, The 9/11 Truth Movement, The Anti 43 Rallies, The Vietnam protests combined. This is the largest protest since the Civil Rights Era. Every single time one of our camps is attacked our numbers grow, every report of police brutality this movement grows. Day or week long campouts have occurred in the past but none had the impact nor reach of this one.

STRONG EMPHASIS UPON THE FOLLOWING AND CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH :
Unless it comes from Occupy Together, Occupy Everything, #Occupy Wall Street, NYC General Assembly or any of the countless official "Occupy" family of sites it does not speak for this movement and the movement will not endorse any site outside of our family of sites. Adbusters does not speak for us, Tides does not speak for us, no union speaks for us, The American Socialist Party does not speak for us, The Communist Party does not speak for us, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Biden, The Democratic National Committee, The Republican Nation Committee, The Tea Party, Libertarian movement or any other political party or figurehead does not speak for us and neither do they represent us! neither does any group that has decided to join us under their own free will and volition but even those groups and our partner firms do not speak for us! We speak for ourselves!

All are welcomed from all faiths, ethnic groups, political persuasions, LBGTI, animal and kid friendly as we will not discriminate, we will be friendly to all. Illicit narcotics (marijuana to meth while all scrips prescribed to a fellow protester are obviously allowed) and liquor (all forms) use are banned and will get someone expelled and turned over to law enforcement. Come as you are! Remember, there is no member of the 1% that is on this website which means we are all The 99%!

So sorry!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

Originally posted by Resinveins
reply to post by nenothtu

 

That was about the most simplistic and idiotic thought I've seen in a bit. Whatever it is that hides inside of you and calls itself logic, betrays your ignorance almost every time you speak.

Nice. Refute it then.

Every one who takes part is paid off.. in one form or another?

Yup. Either paid off or expecting payoff by means of "redistribution".

Yes.. altruistic thought is dead.. long live the idiots.. would you like to be their king?

Nice. I may be an "idiot", but I note that you seem to be unable to refute what I said, so what does that make YOU? Instead all you can do is rant and name call.

Nice.

Fairly representative, aren't you?

Originally posted by Resinveins


I did.. it's right there in the middle.. think about that.

One.. he assumes to know the motivations.. of not just some.. nay.. all who participated .. and they are all there for a payoff. Rubbish. Self delusional rubbish at that. Thanks for peering into the depths of everyone's motivations.. and imagining you see greed and ill intent in all.

I don't know their individual motivations - or what they are deluding themselves into believing motivates them, but I know people, and I know the things that motivate them. I've used that knowledge to motivate people who seemed unmotivatable. I'm telling you flat out that there is not an altruistic motivation in the lot of them. That's not necessarily a bad thing - whatever gets you off your ass, gets you off your ass.

OF COURSE they are there for a payoff. They wouldn't be there at all, undergoing that sort of privation, if there wasn't some payoff at the end. So then, I look to see what their gripes are, and that tells me the payoff they expect.

That payoff involves the much vaunted "redistribution of wealth". In the simplest of terms, they are pissed off, and pissed off because someone else has something they don't, which they think they are entitled to a share of simply by virtue of existence. Were it otherwise, they would be out getting it on their own, not pissing and moaning that they don't already have it.

If it were an altruistic motivation, they would be applying pressure where pressure is due, not wasting effort where they are, in order to effect change that will benefit others - NOT whining about what they don't have, and NOT trying to bring pressure to bear which is worse than useless, and will hurt the very others you claim they stand for.

By that logic we should all just lay down and give up.. because no one is any different than the greed we strive against.

There are a very few people on this tired old world who are not motivated by greed. Yes, there are some, but there are DAMNED few of them, and they are engaged in other pursuits, not clamoring for more "stuff" that someone else has which they don't.

The very cry of "WE AREN'T GETTING OUR SHARE OF THE STUFF!" is rooted in GREED.

As for eloquence.. yes.. eloquence when speaking of tactics in battle.

Other than that.. not so much.

thank you... I think...

Originally posted by jacobe001
How do you propose people get the word out in a big way to do this together, and not in some obscure, hidden way, that many people do not know this is happening and don't know to join in?

It would be more effective to go door to door and one-on-one. They apparently have the numbers to reach a far wider audience,and those numbers are wasted gathering into one big crowded targetable ball, which apparently has no voice - or, as many claim, whose voice is being drowned out by the MSM.

Speaking one-on-one eliminates the middle man, and the potential to have the middle man "re-translate" what you are trying to say.

Don't complain about how the MSM reports on you when you are standing there begging them to report on you.

reply to post by nenothtu


this is what i don't understand, they want MSM attention, but when fox shows up to report on them they boo the reporters away. That doesn't make a lot on since to me

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Simply repeating the same thing over and over again in every thread you enter verbatim, word for word, will NEVER make it true.

Should I go find my responses to this and just re-post them here, too?

reply to post by Dyzan


They apparently just want to dictate to others. They want to dictate what other can and cannot have, what they can and cannot do, and what they can and cannot think.

They want to dictate the view others have of them, and they want to dictate how they are reported upon, and what parts are to be reported on.

I personally think they would meet with better success by convincing and demonstrating goodwill than by dictating, but what do I know? I'm like the village idiot here or something.

So they dictate away, then feign surprise when that dictatorial bent meets up with resistance.

reply to post by nenothtu

I personally think they would meet with better success by convincing and demonstrating goodwill than by dictating, but what do I know? I'm like the village idiot here or something.

I have never in the history of ATS ever replied to myself, but I wanted to expand on this thought with an illustration.

TheImmaculateD1 is a prime example of what I'm talking about. He and I do not see eye to eye on much of anything at all, but for the life of me I can't bring myself to dislike him.

He strives to convince, rather than to dictate.

Sure, he gets excitable, and forceful, as do we all from time to time. Those are just part and parcel of the communication inherent in the oratory, though. They are not "dictation". He gets mad and flies off the handle occasionally when someone gets under his skin, as do we all, but in the main her tries to be reasonable and persuasive. That's something he needs to work on, perhaps, because at times it's just too damned easy to get under his skin and send him into a tailspin.

Mainly, though, he tries to present his case and convince you of it's merit. If you ask for clarification, he will turn himself inside out to try to provide it. In one of our running battles around these boards, in one of the OWS threads, I asked him for confirmation of some particular, and he's trying his damnedest to get that confirmation, rather than just saying "it's right because it's right, and because you're an idiot and I'm not". I believe he has turned the internet upside down and shook it trying to find that confirmation. If he does not, I am convinced that he will eventually admit that when he has exhausted his options, and if he does, he will present what he believes to be the confirmation after a considered reading of the material, and explain WHY he believes that to be confirmation - not tell me that it is because it is.

Sure, he falls towards dictation from time to time, because he views himself as a part of the collective, and more than that, one of the motivators of the collective. He knows as do I that occasionally, to motivate a group some one has to take the reins and tell someone else what part they need to do to make it happen. Collectivism is inherently dictatorial - someone HAS to tell someone else what to do to make a collective function.

That's not what he does with the rest of us, though. With us, he strives to convince, rather than dictate.

THAT is how you bring folks around to your way of thinking, or at least around to a degree of cooperative effort. Whether we agree or not, I believe he's honorable, and he doesn't hold a grudge.

Going around telling folks you're going to kill them because they are evil idiots just doesn't have the same panache as what he does.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


What, couldn't shoehorn Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, Jacques Chirac, and all those other names that you've been trained to froth and hate about into there? Why no Mike Trumka? Why no Dan Rather or even the Dixie Chicks?

Originally posted by nenothtu
The very cry of "WE AREN'T GETTING OUR SHARE OF THE STUFF!" is rooted in GREED.

Bull.

Here's the game as we're stuck in it, nenothtu - you and me and probably almost everyone else on ATS and wherever else. we are looking at a system where the business cartels can use their money to buy legislation to make themselves richer. basically, by bribery, they legalize robbery. All those tax cuts and loopholes? Theft. Slave labor overseas? theft. Deregulations? Theft. The fact that they can embezzle billions of dollars and only pay a million in fines for it? Theft. To say nothing that that million goes to the bought people in government, rather than recompense for the shareholders, employees, customers, etc. Mass layoffs? Theft, again.

Whether you're doing it on purpose or not, nenothtu, you are coming out and saying that thieves have more right to their loot, than the people who they stole it from. 'Cause that's what it's about. These guys have been pirating and pillaging our wealth for decades now, and we want it back. That's not greed - thievery is greed.

reply to post by nenothtu


Holy wow! Thank you Nen, that is all I am trying to do is enlighten. To enlighten does entail having to be forceful and a bit harsh in ones stance in order to illuminate the target as stubborness and complacency is no excuse for doing nothing. I apologize to those if they feel in any way, shape, sense or form that I am talking down to them as I am not and would not ever want to have anyone here feel intimidated or frightened by things I say or how I must word things as the following adage remains true and that is :

"At times for one to receive what they want to seek and the way they must seek it not always the answer they get!"

Truth and hard facts is not always cookie cutter and should not be sugarcoated as life is harsh and cruel. To some they will take it as a shock to the very foundation that they have built up around oneself but in the end those that know the truth can and will always be the leaders of tomorrow.

Everyone of us is in this boat together and a small minute segment has hijacked the controls and are steering it out of whack, we must regain control back and steer this ship right again. Not referring to political parties here but the concept of humanism and human compassion. The America our grandkids will grow up in needs to be better, cooler, hotter, phatter then the America of our grandparents grew up in and it is up to us now to take this ship back. We need to mutiny!

As to the trigger lock ban on assault rifles a bill comes up before the Congress every 2 years using the California law as the template and goes nowhere. Other states are looking into it!

It all boils down to diplomacy, you know, dialouge, conversation and chatting as spoken world has on the more then one occasion prevented both the Apocolypse and WWIII!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Oh, I agree in the main. What a number of companies are doing is nothing short of theft. I agree that tax loopholes, the fact that they can embezzle billions of dollars and only pay a million in fines for it, and the bought people in government all constitute theft. "Slave" labor overseas (unless those people are really outright owned, with ownership paperwork and the whole nine yards), deregulation, tax cuts, and mass layoffs I remain to be convinced are theft. I would add the acceptance of bailout money for private institutions from public coffers is theft as well, as far as I'm concerned. There's no such thing as "too big to fail", and it doesn't matter if Bush says there is, or if it's Obama saying it. Both are dead wrong.

None of that changes the fact that whining that you aren't getting "your share of stuff" that other folks have simply by virtue of your existence is still rooted in greed. It's no less greedy than the corporate concupiscence.

One theft does not justify another. Just because I get robbed by the guy at one end if the block it doesn't automatically follow that I will be OK with getting robbed by the guy at the other end of the block, too.

Originally posted by nenothtu
"Slave" labor overseas (unless those people are really outright owned, with ownership paperwork and the whole nine yards),

Oh, okay. The women living in shacks under armed guard in the Phillipines, signed into eternal debt by factory owners who charge the workers for the string they use isn't slavery because they weren't outright bought? Okay. Exploitation in slave-like conditions. Better? Should I soften up reality a bit more for your comfort? Just 'cause you weren't hauled off a boat and put on hte block in Richmond Virgina, doesn't mean you're not a slave.

deregulation,

Company A fights for and wins legislation that loosens the restrictions set under the EPA. They can now discharge more toxic effluent into the local water supply. This lowers the quality of that water, possibly to dangerous levels. They make money, essentially, by damaging our property. Theft. There's a phrase for this, "Privatizing the profits, socializing the cost." Basically they get dinner and we get the bill.

tax cuts,

Directly impact the funding of public projects. it removes money from the treasury - not just at a federal level, but all the way down to the municipal level as well. it has the net effect of taking money out of our collective pocket in the same way deregulation does - if your school can no longer supply current textbooks because Corporateco Inc needed that big ol' tax break, well, your community is being robbed. Especially given that these tax breaks come as a result of intensive lobbying from the very people receiving them. It's essentially voting money out of the treasury for themselves.

and mass layoffs I remain to be convinced are theft

I know you're going to recoil, but ever seen Michael Moore's "The Big One?" probably not... Basically he goes on a book tour to promote his book (Same title as the movie) in 1996, and along the way stops to talk to people in small towns and medium cities. More than once he winds up talking to managers of factories and plants that are shutting down. These owners all have the same thing to say.

"No we are not losing money. In fact we're making money. But we're shutting down to stay competitive."

That is, they're firing hundreds, sometimes thousands of workers and moving their operations abroad (in 1996, it was Mexico, nowadays it's Asia) to make more money. Basically, to turn a profit, they end up impoverishing people. I've actually been in a town like this, where the local factory was the only real job available. For instance, if either the Tillamook County Smoker or Tillamook Cheese Factory shut down in Tillamook, nearby towns like Bay City or Garibaldi would cease to exist. been there, done that (and Tillamook County Smoker was the absolute worst place I have ever been employed, ye gods)

Now. if I were to make YOU poorer, simply to enrich myself... what do you call that? Moreso if I'm doing just fine financially. Or if my action actually brings you to financial ruin?

I suppose it's one thing if a business really IS failing due to overhead costs, sure. But that's rarely the case. Most mass layoffs are just the result of some one going "And if we laid of nine thousand people, we could turn their salaries into profit!" And even with the exception, I'll bet the CEO could take a 20% paycut and the business would perk right up.

I would add the acceptance of bailout money for private institutions from public coffers is theft as well, as far as I'm concerned. There's no such thing as "too big to fail", and it doesn't matter if Bush says there is, or if it's Obama saying it. Both are dead wrong.

We have no argument there. One thing though, I would allow subsidies for developing industries. But established ones... well, if Big Oil still needs government payouts, a hundred and fifty years on? Something's wrong there.

None of that changes the fact that whining that you aren't getting "your share of stuff" that other folks have simply by virtue of your existence is still rooted in greed. It's no less greedy than the corporate concupiscence.

if we each existed in a total vacuum, each man a total island unto himself, with absolutely nothing between... Maybe so. But we don't live in an Ayn Rand dystopia (yet) - we live in a civilized nation, a society organized by democratic means, with the understood ideal that people should not be starving in the streets while others die of overeating. Maybe some posters here favor the dystopia, but American voters tend not to.

One theft does not justify another. Just because I get robbed by the guy at one end if the block it doesn't automatically follow that I will be OK with getting robbed by the guy at the other end of the block, too.

When you try to equivocate the two, you just end up making a liar of yourself.