Sharia Law. She's buried chest high.

Originally posted by BigNOIDindaHouse

Originally posted by MisterFister103
reply to post by lonewolf19792000... the people who follow the Christian God are a lot more humane and tolerant than followers of the Islamic God.

Dear friends,

this is a reply to ALL of you above. I didn´t watch the video but I saw some of those before and a part of my heart died every single time. Despite all this unspeakable inhumantity or just plain pure evil, please don´t forget what was done in the name of the christian faith in the past. The same and even more perfected, technicalises, almost industrialised man slaughter. The holy inquisition, the crusades, the colonisation ... I think we have a much longer shameful history.

Now at first I always tend to say we are ahead in our social evolution, but then again I recall "they" were WAY ahead in the past and "we" actually learned almost everything from that exact region. Persia. Whuteva, I´m just sayin please recall history before you judge us morally superior.

Thank you, and i agree. Certain groups of christians in the past have done things just as evil. They were just more sneaky about it.

This shouldn't be a debate about which religion is more evil though...

We make ourselves look like fools when we do that.

Originally posted by dannotz

Originally posted by SkyMuerte
Any Country that allows this type of "justice" should be flown over with every single B1 we have and sterilization chemicals spayed all over them. No killing, just no breeding, of course there is no money in that......

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of trying to SAVE these people?

Think of all the innocent people that would be killed.

Noone would be killed, sterilisation is not killing.

Originally posted by traveller4

Originally posted by Misoir
I do not personally agree with stoning or any other form of what I wonder consider barbarism but at the same time this is a tradition in that part of the world. We cannot take our particular values system and try to enforce it on them regardless of what they do. Does that mean we should agree with it or anything like that? Absolutely not, but this is how life works in that particular culture and all cultures should be treated with respect so long as it is not brought to our shores or forced upon us in any way.

Thanks for those wise words. Lots of people fail to see things on that perspective, I have lived through many cultures having been born in a diplomat's family so I have come to know that nobody is really right and views and perspectives are just illusions.
Much respect

I'm sorry, but you saying you "don't agree" with this, and that it's just part of their tradition and that we should treat their culture with respect is ridiculous. Although i do agree with you when speaking about broader aspects of culture, i will most certainly have to disagree with you here. These are obvious acts of evil that shouldn't be tolerated AT ALL. I'm finding it harder and harder to accept peoples excuses for acts of evil in the name of GOD.

NO GOD WOULD WANT THIS.

And we shouldn't just respect someone because they say it's in the name of God, or a tradition.

ZERO TOLERANCE FOR HATE.

reply to post by Maslo


I was so antsy to respond i literally only read a few words...

My bad!

so sorry.

to me for my poor forum decorum

Barbaric religions still exist today , either its carpet bombing other nations "in god we trust "
or its stoning people to death because their uncles raped them and were found guilty of adultery !

Either way both should not be part of the modern world , supporters of either of these crimes against humanity should themselves be fired into the sun !

Stoning to death is an abhorrent tradition and anyone that takes part in it belongs in whatever hell they believe in.

But, it is not widespread throughout the entire Muslim world and it mainly happens in only the most extreme countries. Even in these cases, it usually (like in this film) takes place in impoverished and uneducated villages where the locals take to mobs and get all caught up.

There's no excusing the behaviour but put it down to human nature and socio-economic circumstances, not an entire religion.

Nessrriinn, the lady who composed and narrated it is an Ex Muslim so she's got pretty good understanding of exactly what goes on there. Its such a strong bit of prose, hits you hard where it counts.

Welcome to the ugly world of Wahhabi Islam, a sect of sorts that follow man written laws coming from Saudi clerics, good old Saudi where they behead 'criminals' (more after) in a car park, yes a good old car park, no expense spared, literally. Beheaded in front of a screaming and shrieking core of watchers drunk on the atmosphere of a good old beheading.

Such lovely people...

Now the criminals are normally anything but, usually people stealing food because they are hungry but mainly women for committing adultery, that's if you class adultery as being caught by accident looking at another man.

Most of these executions are enforced by their gutless cruel husbands over trivial things so trump up an adultery charge....

This form of Islam disgusts me, its male made laws with typical male made frenzy based upon spectator style barbaric events, these are not men, they are foul filth. I'm no great fan of most Muslim practices, nearly all that you see on the street are bastardised male additions to the book, there are those that do actually follow the book to its word and those in general are good people, they expand their mind, seek knowledge and in general are not the burqua wearing nut jobs you see, the males and females normally act as a couple with equal assets and power in their marriage and they dress in moderate ways as the book said.

Sadly the male lust for blood and the drive and CASH from Saudi mean that many follow this Wahhabi way, these are the people you see with the burqua wearing wife walking 5 or so paces behind the male, these are the males you hear screaming with a frenzy "allah akbar", the words mean "God is great" but here in the UK we hear these words being shouted as they are calling for beheading and Sharia law so there's an evil intent in these words, not merely a way of worship.

I can only hope many more people see that video, its a very important message to all, not just Muslims but any religion that wishes to oppress and mould its followers, oddly enough the actual Quran tells its followers to seek out other religions, to understand them so the Muslim can see that they have made the right choice.

Not to have malice against them.

As an Atheist I follow no religion, I have learned much about many but I see in all that I have looked that they have a level of control and blood lust that is beyond acceptable, most have practices allowed inside their ranks that are as evil as you could possibly understand, practices that are still carried on to this day, practices that alter human minds and life forever.

I refuse to believe in something that would allow these things to happen simply to please MAN...

As a man I'm disgusted with what is seen to be 'normal' amongst these so called devout people of religion.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Common Good

 

Yes. These people are uneducated and probably brainwashed from birth. But the enablers who should know better are the real evil and ignorant ones. "who are we to judge them", "its their culture", "we have done the same things 500 years ago".. Sickening.
The same with muslim and third world invasion into western countries - I dont blame the immigrants, its understandable they go into more developed country when they can. I blame those western "cultural marxists" who can stop the mass immigration, are (should be) educated enough to know it will lead to nothing good for us, and yet support this suicidal open immigration policy. Its like they have a mental block and cannot connect the dots.

I think you may be my long lost twin brother, cause thats what Im sayin!

Nail-Head-Hammer-On Point

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Thats because Allah is not YHWH, he is Lucifer. Actions speak louder than words. This is what Jesus Christ has been saying all along in the bible. Know them, by the fruits of their labors. Yeshua ha Meshiach forgives and this is why he is the divine one and why Muhammad is just a blood thirsty madman. Yeshua wanted people to covert, but Muhammad says "if any man should change his religion, kill him". Who would you rather pick? Yeshua who loves you and forgives you? Or Muhammad who would see you die horribly for comitting a sin with a smile on his face?

Sharia law versus the laws of Christ. Love and forgiveness or hate and retribution? Shouldn't be a hard decision to make.

This video was very brutal and it saddend me. How could anyone do these things? I couldn't i do not have the heart to make someone die.

edit on 14-11-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

To the OP: Moving video and altogether very saddening.

To Lonewolf and all the people who gave him 40+ stars. Read your history people! Worse was done in the name of Christ for decades. Learn to differentiate between your blinkered beliefs and what actually is truth and historical FACT. The laws of Christ, ie the commandments have been and are still ignored by the vast majority of the planet. This is not a Muslim version Christian issue. For anyone to come into a post like this and try to spin it into such (and get that many stars) just goes to prove you're just as blinkered as those people watching as the stones are thrown.

You Christians disgust me as much as the Muslims following shariah law. You're all hypocrites!

T

reply to post by Mclaneinc

Welcome to the ugly world of Wahhabi Islam, a sect of sorts that follow man written laws coming from Saudi clerics, good old Saudi where they behead 'criminals' (more after) in a car park, yes a good old car park, no expense spared, literally. Beheaded in front of a screaming and shrieking core of watchers drunk on the atmosphere of a good old beheading.

Don't spread false truths to perpetuate your point. Perhaps that has happened in Saudi but that is not the government's policy. They cut of thieves' hands - obviously, this is also very wrong but there's a huge difference. You definitely have an agenda.

By all means, be critical - but don't use lies, stereotypes and propaganda to deceive people.

As Nietzsche would've put it; It is not their brotherly love but the impotence of their brotherly love that keeps the Christians of today from—burning us. If Christianity still had control of the various governments of the western world; punishments like this would be commonplace. Be glad that that you live in the West and not prey to any sort of Theocracy.

It is a curious thing that this video, is about Iran.
All religions kill, some just use a courtroom to do it.
I wonder who actually is behind this video.
I would rather 100 people be put down before 1 dog, dogs actually care for their world.
But, people in their own countries will not stand up and change their unjust laws, apparently they do not believe in their cause enough to bleed, yet alone become uncomfortable.
So, violence continues as the strong will not stand up for the weak.
Shame this happens but I'm sure even though this video targets Iran, Iran is not the only country commiting atrocities.

reply to post by charles1952


The means by which the government decided what was proper is irrelevant; what they did decide was proper is all that matters and that decision rests solely on their shoulders.
These men cannot hide behind islam because islam condemns their behaviour, to justify it on relgious grounds is an enormous leap of faith (lol), or stupidity or both and would be very difficult to get away with without the perpetual social conditioning we continue to witness.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Thats because Allah is not YHWH, he is Lucifer. Actions speak louder than words. This is what Jesus Christ has been saying all along in the bible. Know them, by the fruits of their labors. Yeshua ha Meshiach forgives and this is why he is the divine one and why Muhammad is just a blood thirsty madman. Yeshua wanted people to covert, but Muhammad says "if any man should change his religion, kill him". Who would you rather pick? Yeshua who loves you and forgives you? Or Muhammad who would see you die horribly for comitting a sin with a smile on his face?

Sharia law versus the laws of Christ. Love and forgiveness or hate and retribution? Shouldn't be a hard decision to make.

This video was very brutal and it saddend me. How could anyone do these things? I couldn't i do not have the heart to make someone die.

edit on 14-11-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry, but i don't care how many stars you received for that post...clearly you're ignorant of Christianities crimes against humanity.
I'm equally sickened by christian zealotry as with sharia law...history speaks for itself.

Here's a thought; As long as humanity is stuck in this primitive dualistic mind set of good and evil/one religion against another etc.... we're always going to kill one another.
Its no longer human nature, we have clearly evolved past that (i.e. Roman style kill to win games) its the stupid beliefs one could liken to say Lord Of The Rings, that we have built our society around that separate us.

Humanity needs a clean slate.

Originally posted by Misoir
I do not personally agree with stoning or any other form of what I wonder consider barbarism but at the same time this is a tradition in that part of the world. We cannot take our particular values system and try to enforce it on them regardless of what they do. Does that mean we should agree with it or anything like that? Absolutely not, but this is how life works in that particular culture and all cultures should be treated with respect so long as it is not brought to our shores or forced upon us in any way.

That must be the most stupid thing i've read all year. Congrats.

reply to post by Jim Scott

That was the very problem they were escaping from in England.

Now that's not quite true and that's one of the biggest fallacies going.

At the time Britain was going through a period of relative religious tolerance where even Catholics were allowed to openly practice their faith.

The Puritans set sail for The New World in 1620 with the intention of establishing a settlement where only their conservative brand of Non-Conformist Protestantism would be practiced and tolerated.

Not quite the beginnings of The Land of the Free as told in schools etc, but true nonetheless.

Perhaps one day I'll author a thread on this....I'm sure there'd be some passionate contributions and lively debate.

reply to post by posthuman

It is up to people to interpret scripture responsibly.

And therein lies one of the basic problems with religion.

Individual interpretation results in all sorts of beliefs and theories, some quite bizarre and unreasoned.
Literal interpretation results in strict adherence to dogma and rhetoric regardless of scientific fact and even common sense.

And who says when individual interpretation or literal interpretation is required?
And who determines exactly what is 'responsibly'?

reply to post by Suffi

This thread is designed not to promote discussion but incite the already existent hatred of muslims in many.

I have no hatred of Muslims.

I do have an intense dislike of Islam, an all encompassing belief system that seeks to control every aspect of an individuals life and is diametrically opposed to ideals like freedom of speech, thought and belief.
Islam seeks to impose itself, along with it's at times barbaric Sharia, upon people that neither want or need it.

Unfortunately far too many people here on ATS, of all viewpoints, seem incapable of reasoned and respectful debate and are unwilling to consider different opinions to their own.

reply to post by Jim Scott

I really hate to say this, but it's none of our business what another country does to its citizens

A difficult one.

Of course there is a element of truth in this.

But do we allow the Saddam Husseins of this world to brutalise and murder his own people?
Or do we have a moral duty to remove him from office?
Look where that got both our countries.

What if we had just let Hitler go about his business and he had exterminated a whole race?
But then we allowed Stalin to slaughter even more of his people than Hitler did.
But what of the worldwide devestation if we had forcilbly confronted Stalin, how many more would have died?

I think we sometimes fail to see our own hypocrisy in opposing Islam and it's desire to impose itself on us and then we try to impose our values and standards on others.

There is no easy answer.

I guess we just got to treat each individual case on it's own merits.

Wahabbi cults are the rotten limbs of Islam , as are the westborough baptist church the rotten limbs of christianity, however christians in the west , no longer torture people for sacriligious crimes .
Although the government does it for them by putting them to death under the name of god .

Yet we cant forget christians burning people for supposedly worshipping the devil or being a witch now can we , what is more barbaric , burning someone alive or stoning them to death , thing is one well flung stone could kill instantly , where as fire takes ages to kill and is intensely more painful.

I have seen videos of African christians burning victims to death for not following christ or for being suspected witches

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


No need to elaborate. This is all Saul of Tarsus' fault. Also named Paul the Apostle. Who was also a Roman! He was also the first to exclaim Jesus was the 'Son of God' and the 'Jewish Messiah' after the resurrected Jesus (which he wasn't 'actually' resurrected but just survived, supposedly) appeared to Saul and caused him to go blind (supposedly with a concoction of alchemy).

The problem is Saul, firstly persecuting Jesus and his disciples, goes like a bull at a gate but only interprets the message wrong. That is why he is such a prominent figure in the Bible, it suited the Romans because his message wasn't that of the true message and it aided in controlling the people. John's work was much closer to the real truth.

Paul is also the one who changed his name from Immanuel to Jesus Christ.

reply to post by sapien82


Yes, religion is just wrong.