Pope: Pedophilia Was "Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children"

reply to post by Lysergic


Actually he didn't. It was out of context. He criticized the fact that these things have been considered normal since then. Try reading credible sources.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by verschickter
Your thread title is missleading, you changed the wording to fit your needs!!!!!

Sir it is your statement that is misleading. I have followed the terms and conditions as in ATS remit for breaking news format.. Would you care to elaborate what wording I have changed..

In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI claimed that pedophilia wasn't considered an absolute evil as recently as the 1970s and that child pornography is increasingly considered "normal" by society. "In the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children," the Pope said. "It was maintained - even within the realm of Catholic theology - that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a 'better than' and a 'worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself." The Pope said abuse revelations in 2010 reached "an unimaginable dimension" which brought "humiliation" on the Church. The Pope called on senior clerics "to repair as much as possible the injustices that occurred" and to help victims heal through a better presentation of the Christian message. "We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light," he said, citing the growth of child pornography "that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society" he said. Pope Benedict also said sex tourism in the Third World was "threatening an entire generation". "Catholics should be embarrassed to hear their Pope talk again and again about abuse while doing little or nothing to stop it and to mischaracterize this heinous crisis," said Barbara Blaine, the head of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, "It is fundamentally disturbing to watch a brilliant man so conveniently misdiagnose a horrific scandal." "The Pope insists on talking about a vague 'broader context' he can't control, while ignoring the clear 'broader context' he can influence - the long-standing and unhealthy culture of a rigid, secretive, all-male Church hierarchy fixated on self-preservation at all costs. This is the 'context' that matters."

Cool story bro. Now you can just admit fault and leave.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Lysergic

 

Actually he didn't. It was out of context. He criticized the fact that these things have been considered normal since then. Try reading credible sources.

Yes, sadly I did read it, yet the churches constant mishaps with pedophilia, entangles said pope...

Why you gotta rain on my alliteration, player?

Surely even hardened Catholics should be disgusted by this 'man's' matter of fact attitude over such a serious subject, there's no damning it, there's no disgust, its simply a "well that's how it was".

To even admit that it was described as 'normal' is a shocking disclosure that HE would have been well aware of in the past considering his position at the time.

Yet again, the church and their foul perverted choices just brushed aside as if it was nothing..

Sounds like my Mother in Law, one of her daughters is a foul waste of space who does nothing for the family but the in law always likes to keep in with the girl and if you mention something she's done in the past or recent past all you ever get is "Well that was then".

She refuses to acknowledge that the incident has happened 50 or so times so those words are merely a cover up. the "that was then" will happen another 50 times with the same response.

Same with this Pope and the perverted chain in charge.

Only last week we had a Catholic Church School in Ealing West London be have to be taken out of the hands of the clergy because of the repeated predatory sexual molestations of the children time and time again over the years. When its proved time and time again that Priests and children are a bad mix and potentially life damaging for those children, then its time for people to rethink what that faith truly means and what its morals are.

Surely their actions with these children defines 'sin' in its purist form yet it was (and most likely still is) classed as normal. Makes you wonder if the Pope has a bar chart in the office showing child molestation figures and he's sitting there saying, "hum...figures are down this year in England, Send Father Murphy over, we'll get the scores up".

As sick as that comes across its most likely not that far from the truth 70's wise..

Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
Sounds like the pope needs to be hung and the vatican burnt down. What a completely disgusting thing to say. These are definitely not men of god.

Actually, sounds like you have believed the headline and not read the actual story. The pope was quoted as saying what the historical attitude towards child abuse had been in society - he was by no means defending it. If you had actually read that then you may have seen it.

It's a little like the repulsive racial attitudes had been historically in America - by commenting on them it doesn't mean you agree with them.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by Chad_Thomas89
Sounds like the pope needs to be hung and the vatican burnt down. What a completely disgusting thing to say. These are definitely not men of god.

Actually, sounds like you have believed the headline and not read the actual story. The pope was quoted as saying what the historical attitude towards child abuse had been in society - he was by no means defending it. If you had actually read that then you may have seen it.

It's a little like the repulsive racial attitudes had been historically in America - by commenting on them it doesn't mean you agree with them.

Well as maybe but considering the hurt this has caused I think the whole idea of giving the info was poorly thought out.

“Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

Again a viewpoint that he really should not be aligning himself by, whether or not the point may be true it looks like he's excusing it to many, again, poorly thought out OR saying his true feelings..

Who knows but there's far too many children whose lives are ruined thanks to what happened, making a bullet point set of facts in his level of being in charge was for me a very stupid idea.

Bit like a surgeon after losing a patient telling the relative that its a quite normal, happens all the time, but that's life (or not)

Its NOT the sort of thing you want to hear in such a matter of fact way.

Looks like all the quotes in OP were taken out of context, yet most didn't bother to check because it confirmed what they already believed anyway. No surprise here.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

Yes I know what you mean he gives me bad vibes too. There is something really discomforting about him...

You are judging someone by what they look like. I'm sure you may an oil painting but that doesn't mean the rest of us are and it doesn't make you 'discomforting'.... unless of course you have a mental age in the single figures. I'm sorry but that kind of attitude is decades if not centuries out of date.

Aha, just seen the full post as it should have been seen, don't know how I missed it, I'm a stickler for reading a whole thread normally.

All I can say after reading it properly is that I hope it happens, somehow I feel we will never know the whole truth ever and pockets of this will carry on with others backing.

For me the whole notion comes across as an 'addiction' and how can the addiction be treated when the likely are still being mixed in with children.

Best luck on it being stopped...

Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
What does it say about the pope when even an atheist (who the church considers morally AWOL) can pick up on the fact it is wrong to touch a child, who is nieve of the ways of the world. If you want sexual type relationships let em marry, till then sulibit should mean sulibit.
BTW, I know a catholic church victim, it's been many years, and if you didn't know his story of how he came to be you would be quick to say he has become a waste of life (not trying to insult they guy, remember I did say if you didn't know his story) It mentally took his will to live life.
Tell em' it's right to take a persons lifelong security, sense of right and wrong (oh, I could list all day, what this could take from a child) and justify it...yeesh.

edit on 13-11-2011 by PutAQuarterIn because: add

AWOL ???

Reallly ?

Absent without Official leave ????

Originally posted by caladonea
To me this current Pope is clearly demented and a pervert. There is so much corruption in the Catholic Church....I think with the statements this current Pope has made about Pedophilia...shows his true colors.

I'm sorry, I don't understand why people have given your response a star. Have you read the actual article or are you making a knee jerk response where the OP has misrepresented what was actually said? He didn't defend child abuse, he was describing the way society in general had viewed it in past years - there's a very big difference between the two!!!

Doesn't denying ignorance extend to looking at the actual facts?

This is the second time this has come up in a post.
that I know of!

But! I like what hes says here.
"Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences,"

So he is saying no good or evil?
So that means no god or devil?
No ten comandments.

You dont agree? then re'read it.
lets just abolish the church...

reply to post by something wicked

You are judging someone by what they look like. I'm sure you may an oil painting but that doesn't mean the rest of us are and it doesn't make you 'discomforting'.... unless of course you have a mental age in the single figures. I'm sorry but that kind of attitude is decades if not centuries out of date.

Yes I am judging someone on how they look. Im soz its the truth. The man is one of the very few peeps in life that really gives me bad vibes...

Originally posted by jcord
This has been accelerating a lot lately. Lots of murder and violence too that used to be rare but now it is every day you hear about well know/well liked people abusing kids and people cutting heads off.

Originally posted by purplemer


I do not really understand this. If an attitude like this is true then you can see why there are so many problems with the church and children.
How can someone that is the head of the church say this. This is a perversion. Pope Benedict XVI should step down and the church should have a good long hard look at itself.
We live in some real messed up times...

thenewcivi lrightsmovement.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I have to say it is disturbing the amount of crime we see these days but in reality I don't think there was really that much less 10 20 even 100 years ago. The differences are there are more people there fore there are more of those who will commit the crimes and more victims. As well, it's not as easy to get away with a crime these days. There was a time where you could come in the night slaughter, rape and dismember an entire family and if no one witnessed it you would never get caught. Well with today's technology they can tell pretty much who came in the home, what they were wearing, gender, height and weight even what they smelled like, and they can get his DNA from a flake of skin or piece of hair. As well, people live much closer together these days and the majority of us aren't working 9-5s off for the weekend and in bed by 9:30. So if someone is out of place it's more likely to be noticed, and every one has a cellphone, and everyone is suspicious and paranoid these kinds of things will happen, so people get caught. Not to mention you go back several years and the killer if seen didn't even have to threaten people they would be too scared to do anything about it. Murder, rape... all crime isn't a new thing, nor do I think the percentage of people committing these acts has risen at an alarming rate. It seems there is more crime because there are more people and we live in an age where we hear about things moments after it happens. Media is a blessing and a curse, we know what is happening when it happens and it's not like it use to be we don't have to discriminate with worry about running out of room in the news paper, everything makes the news now. There was a piece in the News paper(in mission BC, Canada) about a crocodile caught in Thailand.... why is this important ? IT isn't they just do it because they can. It won't be long before we hear about news all over the world rather than just local...... Wait that already happens... Huh, imagine that ... WAIT OMG !!! IT'S THE FREAKING NWO !!!! (puts on tinfoil hat) RUN FOR YOUR MISERABLE LIVES !!!!

* Hyperventilates in brown paper bag * HUH HOOO HUH HOOO HUH HOOO HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....( Takes of tinfoil hat)

Have a wonderful day.

reply to post by Lysergic


the hell do I care. Don't misquote people. It's that simple.

The boss of a company doesn't get the blame when one of his workers turns out to be a rapist. Why should the Pope be blamed for pedophilia in the church?


There are assholes in every religion. If I was pope, I'd shoot them. Quite frankly, fear is a helluva motivator in faith. Burning at the stake of a few pedos should makes things pretty clear. Make a fragrant offering to the lord out of that sin.

reply to post by purplemer


Vibes are not an indication of wrong or right. In fact, vibes are probably what causes a lot of problems.

Maybe the Pope is a Penn State fan?

Originally posted by homeslice
reply to post by purplemer

 

Wouldn't shock me at all.

Yep everytime I think of the Pope that's what I see. How exactly can the man chosen by God be elected by fellow humans? Not trying to put down the religion (my family is Catholic), but not my cup of tea personally. If that quote is true and uttered by the head of a religion that boosts 2 billion or more worldwide, than all I can say can be summerized in a few key words: Clueless, Disgusting, Shameless, un-enlightened.

Originally posted by TheMindWar
So, are the 1 billion catholics happy to follow a leader who advocates child rape? Or is the pope trying hard to destroy catholisism to make way for a new world religion?

DING DING DING!!!

You are the winner!

First they made us hate jewish people, then Muslims, and finally Christians and Catholics.

Then and only then, when all religons have been abolished after the ensuing wars they will cause, they will usher in the NWO. And our new gods! The aliens who "created" us and "potect" us.

Seriously though, this could be better than our current situation, we might be all speaking chinese, but atleast we might finally consider ourselves equal.

Drop the #in bombs already.

reply to post by kman420


well actually it's been proven he was misquoted.

And you can never kill religion. Unless you kill 2 billion Muslims and Christians.


Also evidence says nobody created us. Evolution seems pretty obvious.