Eve’s Apple

reply to post by absolutely


and back to the apple image, how could it b a penis when penis is one nd never two, so it cant b an apple tree

while then a woman might suggest her boobs for apples more as she stand as a tree with her hair and all that stuff needed for ur image right

how apples on trees are such low just next to asses and dirt

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by akushla99

 

obviously ur humor is not everyone so it cant b called humor thing just to please urself out of it on the expense of all rights for ur evil gods life

when god cant but b him one for its exclusive life, how a human in all gods conditions could mean to do smthg for another, and how that pervert absurd allegation could b a joke

it says how to u, fun is to humiliate others by all u could use and grasp for that end

which say what god is like through his absolute power over humans miserable ends

since u cant came out with that urself alone, negative cannot b creator especially to itself

...and who on GODS great creation gave you the supreme AUTHORITY to chastise me for an innocent joke?

Get off your selfish, satanic horse...and do it NOW!

He he

Akushla

reply to post by akushla99


oh plz explain how did u felt chastized by me, wat did i do there more or even equal to what u keep doing

and what least authority is there from my miserable lonely words posted in random forums page that noone care about or even saw

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by akushla99

 

oh plz explain how did u felt chastized by me, wat did i do there more or even equal to what u keep doing

and what least authority is there from my miserable lonely words posted in random forums page that noone care about or even saw

You crack me up my friend...
I defer to your misery, loneliness, randomness and insignificance...

He he

Akushla
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Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by akushla99

 

oh plz explain how did u felt chastized by me, wat did i do there more or even equal to what u keep doing

and what least authority is there from my miserable lonely words posted in random forums page that noone care about or even saw

...and pray tell, outside of contributing to the thread, what exactly, in your miserable, lonely, random and insignificant opinion...do I 'keep doing'?

Akushla
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Originally posted by akushla99

In that case...
I disagree...there was no 'imperfection'...
The conditions were created to 'test' (and I use the term loosely) the depth of free will and the way it operates on all levels...unfortunately, the price to be paid - which was explained, implicitly and explicitly, was, a fall into the conditions of the material domain - where before, the two conditions could be experienced, albeit without the conditions attached to the strictly 'terrestrial' domain...and once this 'sin', 'fall'...let's call a spade, a spade...mistake had been made...there was no turning back...as was explained!
Anything and everything, since then, is a result of a mistake of jurisprudence...not following the rules...but then, an 'out', has been part of this system all the time...the capacity to take as many lifetimes, and through as many experiences as you want to achieve a state where that FREE WILL gives you the option to get back, when the wave arrives every so often...

No Imperfection, just free will...

Akushla
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Thanks Akushla for one of the first sensible posts. Although I'm not gonna go down that 'freewill' path again right now as I'm too busy trying to find absolutely's meds .

I'm of the opinion that everything that is and has (and will) happen is a process which is meant to be. My view is not so much a test of freewill but to create an experience whereas the Source will get to know itself as you, me, a rock etc in every situation that can exist on Earth (and quite possibly beyond), with the end game being to gather all the parts back as one together with a complete knowledge of all. As such I don't so much see it as a 'price' to be paid but rather a requirement for the process to operate.

It obviously gets a little tricky when you consider (imho) time does not exist beyond the material plane - And this is one of the reasons I'm not so sure about freewill because on other higher dimensions I believe that everything that can ever happen already has, and we are merely consciousnesses operating at distinct points along this time line. I believe all is ultimately energy, and spacetime exists purely to make us believe that everything isn't happening all at once all in the same place.

But whatever the case there is something that has created the universe to be the way it is today, discrete bundles of matter and energy, as opposed to an orderly arrangemnt of hydrogen atoms. Imperfection probably isn't the right word but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.

reply to post by 1littlewolf


I'm in more or less agreement with all that you have written/explained...details aside, again, nice subject...
Cheers

Akushla
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reply to post by 1littlewolf


obviously u mean right from wrong, there where u fail by revealing logics that put u down by leaving u there alone while u meant its use to ur stand up will

what reverse logics isnt logical mister, right cant b of wrong as perfection cant b of what is not absolutely right always

obviously u mean a source for ur happy free will life, so u could pretend having the right to exist by being out of existence right justifications

so i prove how u mean creations from some rights abuse

mister, if there is one right only that u call it a source, then only that one exist and u cant pretend having any right to exist from what is right

so logics of ur argument end to, wether no one is ever right, then first all gods is always wrong especially when it is one
which would explain how everyone is god as through killing god one

or all is always wrong, then existence is meant to hell forever
which would explain existence constant life out of animals and lies, that end to conscious conditions hell out of humans expressions wills for global wars pleasures in all terms

reply to post by absolutely


Absolutely, cheers for trying to write a decent post which doesn't break down into petty insults and name calling.

Now I realise that you don't place much importance in decent writing skills and that's cool. But unfortunately I couldn't understand most of what your trying to say as just about every paragraph is completely unintelligible.

Possibly try and proof read what you write before posting. Or write it into MS Word first and everything underlined in green or red means it doesn't make sense and someone might not understand what your trying to say. Or, if you are slightly illiterate or suffer from dyslexia, which is kinda what I'm guessing at here, maybe get a friend to write it for you.

reply to post by 1littlewolf


u keep saying what you are here, an evil thing for evil powerful life

it doesnt matter ur words mister when mine dont matter either, it is just free expression that everyone can realize for himself present reactions as anyone else, willing to rule words expressions just confirm the depth of evil u r of and for

another words are not to please u they are all to please oneself free will, when words objectively are still the same thing, u have no business mister in another free sense, u have urs already which is much over giving self satisfaction to urself

another words stop being right only when they are against others free rights, which is ur case and not mine here

so u should do ur advice and get out of here to seek another support that could back up ur gibberish preachings and evil means

The Adams and Eves made in the image of the God(s)...were divine creatures in themselves. Ate of the fruit with the Seed...could it be that they mingled their DNA with the Seed of the native, natural inhabitants. Which was not allowed, hence their banishment and our subsequent quarantine?

When you say imperfection in the universe, how do we know there is imperfection when we know of no other universe to compare it to? Do you mean imperfection in that everything is not uniform in it's expansion?

The breath of expansion, the fractal nature of the universe, galaxies, solar systems and planets to the very components of nature. That is perfection!

Then if our universe is of one arm of the fractal, are there other arms...universes? Imagine the Source of this fractal...The main entity which all is a reflection thereof. I do believe that is GOD....Geometry of Divinity..Infinite Source.

reply to post by blazenresearcher


he means imperfection from his pretense about himself being perfect, otherwise how an imperfect thing can have a glimse sense of what is better to absolute right

look at his pic, the infinite source for him is a rock, he worships negative stillness powers ends as the absolute existence one fact, seeking pathetically for constancy repetition of that will any unsensical grasp use around him

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

u keep saying what you are here, an evil thing for evil powerful life

it doesnt matter ur words mister when mine dont matter either, it is just free expression that everyone can realize for himself present reactions as anyone else, willing to rule words expressions just confirm the depth of evil u r of and for

another words are not to please u they are all to please oneself free will, when words objectively are still the same thing, u have no business mister in another free sense, u have urs already which is much over giving self satisfaction to urself

another words stop being right only when they are against others free rights, which is ur case and not mine here

so u should do ur advice and get out of here to seek another support that could back up ur gibberish preachings and evil means

As I said before, I do not believe in evil. Evil is just a concept inside your head. What might seem evil to you maybe a complete non-issue to someone else who has a different belief system.

What is your definition of evil?

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by blazenresearcher

 

he means imperfection from his pretense about himself being perfect, otherwise how an imperfect thing can have a glimse sense of what is better to absolute right

look at his pic, the infinite source for him is a rock, he worships negative stillness powers ends as the absolute existence one fact, seeking pathetically for constancy repetition of that will any unsensical grasp use around him

...and you have a black and white 'pic'...what do you think this might mean?

Akushla
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Originally posted by blazenresearcher
The Adams and Eves made in the image of the God(s)...were divine creatures in themselves. Ate of the fruit with the Seed...could it be that they mingled their DNA with the Seed of the native, natural inhabitants. Which was not allowed, hence their banishment and our subsequent quarantine?

When you say imperfection in the universe, how do we know there is imperfection when we know of no other universe to compare it to? Do you mean imperfection in that everything is not uniform in it's expansion?

The breath of expansion, the fractal nature of the universe, galaxies, solar systems and planets to the very components of nature. That is perfection!

Then if our universe is of one arm of the fractal, are there other arms...universes? Imagine the Source of this fractal...The main entity which all is a reflection thereof. I do believe that is GOD....Geometry of Divinity..Infinite Source.

I guess I should have used a different word than imperfection as perfect/imperfect are purely mental contructs and don't really exist. But whatever the case there is something that has created the universe to be the way it is today, discrete bundles of matter and energy, as opposed to an orderly arrangement of hydrogen atoms which is how it would be if everything had blasted inwards/outwards in an even manner. As I told my new buddy absolutely possibly 'perturbation in the precise order of all' would be a more precise way of putting it.

Your other theories are really cool but I'm still trying to wrap my head around why stuff I can see is the way it is without bringing in the ol' alien star-seed prison planet theory

Originally posted by akushla99

...and you have a black and white 'pic'...what do you think this might mean?

Akushla
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It took me 2 hours last night and eventually a post from one of the site owners to figure out how to change my avatar from the deadpool squirrel to this painting (from a very talented painter and tattooist who lives in hippy central Australia - Byron Bay).

And now I'm some guy who thinks he's perfect and worships negative stillness energies. Go figure....

Originally posted by 1littlewolf

Originally posted by akushla99

...and you have a black and white 'pic'...what do you think this might mean?

Akushla
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It took me 2 hours last night and eventually a post from one of the site owners to figure out how to change my avatar from the deadpool squirrel to this painting (from a very talented painter and tattooist who lives in hippy central Australia - Byron Bay).

And now I'm some guy who thinks he's perfect and worships negative stillness energies. Go figure....

Nice painting!

I know...so much for...judge not, lest ye be judged!
When water is falling...become a duck!

Akushla

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Quack Quack

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
I’ve always loved the first chapters of Genesis as a metaphorical way of looking at the beginning of the universe as we know it. The story of Adam and Eve is interesting in itself as it tells the story of man’s initial separation from the Source. And what began it all? An apple*……….

This fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil I equate with an imperfection. And it is this imperfection that has created the world we know today.

From a scientific point of view it is my thinking that there had to be some sort of imperfection in the initial Big Bang, otherwise everything would have blasted outwards (or rather inwards) completely evenly, and the universe would be composed of more or less regularly space hydrogen atoms expanding away from each other at a completely even rate. But it’s not like that. We have planets and suns and galaxies and other concentrations of matter scattered throughout the universe in differing concentrations all making up the universe we know and love. And despite the fact that the universe itself is expanding at a more or less even rate - which suggests to me that there should be ‘perfection’ within, this is not the case. If anyone knows more about astrophysics than me (which isn’t hard) then please correct me if I’m wrong.

From a metaphysical point of view this metaphorical fruit could amount to the First Cause. Maybe this ‘imperfection’ was the Source becoming conscious. Or maybe this imperfection is the reason the Source initiated the Big Bang in the first place, such as a thought the this consciousness had, maybe along the lines of ‘What am I’. In Genesis the Apple is not equated with being God himself, but rather the reason God booted Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. From a higher perspective this is the start of the duality of the universe, with Adam and Eve representing the duality, the yin and yang, and a separation from the whole.

Just some things I’ve been pondering lately. All thoughts and comments welcome.

EDIT: Please remember the main point of this thread is that an imperfection created the universe as we know it.



*Note from what I’ve actually read it was probably more likely a pomegranate but apple seems to be fairly popular

edit on 12/11/2011 by 1littlewolf because: (no reason given)

When you humans got to this planet it was meant for you all to evolve naturly...purly.

EvE is in short 'steve'

The apple was 'apple computers'

The warning was not to ever create computers or trust the serpent/reptillien alien/snake ,in the garden.

Thats why the tree was called the tree of knowledge, and what goes on today as far as bad things came from and will continue to come from computers and chip,ans what it has done to your earth,the people and the ozone.

I think the story of Adam and Eve is simpler than most believe.

I think it is literally a cautionary tale about knowledge.

Knowledge, as we know it in real life, is essentially an endless branching of ideas-- that is-- it's a tree.

The specific fruit is not important. The point is we ate of the fruit of knowledge.

Humans were not supposed to "eat" of knowledge because this would remove us from the "perfect" environment God created (or we evolved to fit perfectly within-- however you like to see it.)

Basically, Earth is Eden. We destroyed Eden when we gained knowledge, because this knowledge caused us to alter the perfect balance that we once enjoyed.

The instant we ate of knowledge, we could no longer bask in blissful ignorance. We ceased to be simple animals that could derive enjoyment from our mere existence, and took upon ourselves the ability to create, to shape, and to destroy-- and we assumed all responsibilities contained therein.

Control of the Earth became mainly ours at that point, and so we became our primary guardians-- a job that we tend to muddle through with mixed success, and that tends to bring us suffering due to our inherent imperfections as physical beings. EVERYONE is tormented by their limited physical and mental capacity-- because we endeavor to replace what was lost-- God's grace-- with our own grace-- and this is either very difficult or impossible. Even after we've satisfied all of our basic needs, our thirst for knowledge, for God-like qualities-- will remain insatiable. This is our curse.


I should also add that I think this story sounds VERY similar to prometheus (he's the snake) bringing the Greeks fire-- and probably many other creation stories. Which begs the question-- How did we come to such similar conclusions? Perhaps all humans actually think much alike-- and these stories are reflections of our inner angst concerning the "progress" of our societies throughout the ages.