Eve’s Apple

I’ve always loved the first chapters of Genesis as a metaphorical way of looking at the beginning of the universe as we know it. The story of Adam and Eve is interesting in itself as it tells the story of man’s initial separation from the Source. And what began it all? An apple*……….

This fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil I equate with an imperfection. And it is this imperfection that has created the world we know today.

From a scientific point of view it is my thinking that there had to be some sort of imperfection in the initial Big Bang, otherwise everything would have blasted outwards (or rather inwards) completely evenly, and the universe would be composed of more or less regularly space hydrogen atoms expanding away from each other at a completely even rate. But it’s not like that. We have planets and suns and galaxies and other concentrations of matter scattered throughout the universe in differing concentrations all making up the universe we know and love. And despite the fact that the universe itself is expanding at a more or less even rate - which suggests to me that there should be ‘perfection’ within, this is not the case. If anyone knows more about astrophysics than me (which isn’t hard) then please correct me if I’m wrong.

From a metaphysical point of view this metaphorical fruit could amount to the First Cause. Maybe this ‘imperfection’ was the Source becoming conscious. Or maybe this imperfection is the reason the Source initiated the Big Bang in the first place, such as a thought the this consciousness had, maybe along the lines of ‘What am I’. In Genesis the Apple is not equated with being God himself, but rather the reason God booted Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. From a higher perspective this is the start of the duality of the universe, with Adam and Eve representing the duality, the yin and yang, and a separation from the whole.

Just some things I’ve been pondering lately. All thoughts and comments welcome.

EDIT: Please remember the main point of this thread is that an imperfection created the universe as we know it.



*Note from what I’ve actually read it was probably more likely a pomegranate but apple seems to be fairly popular

Please believe in GOD, but not the bible. Too much BS has been past down for generations, and most of the stuff in it is made up!

Originally posted by GreenFurnNW
Please believe in GOD, but not the bible. Too much BS has been pasted down for generations, and most of the stuff in it is made up!

edit on 12-11-2011 by GreenFurnNW because: edit

I think you'll agree most, if not all of what I've said definatley does not equate to a literal interpretation of the Bible by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by GreenFurnNW
Please believe in GOD, but not the bible. Too much BS has been pasted down for generations, and most of the stuff in it is made up!

edit on 12-11-2011 by GreenFurnNW because: edit

Yes, too much BS has been pasted down for generations.

The Bible says people will not believe in the true Word of God in the last days:

2 Timothy 4:3-4(KJV)
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

However, the Bible has been declared by God to be perfect. Both the Old and the New Testaments are the two witnesses of Revelation. To learn about it, please click the following link: www.remnantofgod.org...

reply to post by 1littlewolf


Do we have any data on the DNA- measured age of fruit? When were Apples "born"?

Nice subject.

The fruit could have been any fruit with a 'seed'...

She ate of the fruit with the 'SEED'...

She was tempted by the fruit (or more to the point - some entity who offered it to her)...

Who was this entity?...and why would it want her to do this?

The stories are obviously anecdotal, but the essence of what is meant, is quite obvious...some would rather fight with translations of a so-called 'original', and attribute a word for word literal interpretation...i.e. seven days of creation...an apple...adam...eve...cain...abel...and some mysterious land of NOD?!

Again...nice topic

Akushla
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Originally posted by RelSciHistItSufi
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

Do we have any data on the DNA- measured age of fruit? When were Apples "born"?

All we know is that that where born in Yakima, Washington, and they're awesome!

reply to post by 1littlewolf


so now it is the responsability of that miserable eve that all universes are evil ? what could be that symbolic about eating an apple to what is smaller then an aunt which cant even know anything


anyway, u revealed urself, if fruits were there when that poor thing grasped it it means that the bigbang happened way before that

god with that image of adam and eve wasnt ever meaning everything nor even anything, but just miserable human beings borned few thousands years ago

you are so pitiful to mean justifying god despotism by hating a miserable nothing that is targeted by that absolute power to kill it

how one could plan to kill nothing?

o yea evil livings ways in forms and substance

why dont u try to say smthg out of nothing just to prove my point, i bet u cant

Okay peeps,

Everyone seems to be getting to caught up with the biblical analogy and less with what I actually intended, which is the idea that an imperfection created the Universe we know today.

Not that I'm blaming anyone. I've been on ATS long enough now I should have realised as soon as any hint of the Bible is mentioned everyone here gets their panties in a twist and the thread soon gets hijacked by Atheists and Christian Fundamentalists. Sorry for the confusion.

reply to post by 1littlewolf


and how an imperfection could created smthg so wide objective if perfection is objective right ? explain that, instead of leaning on intentions or writings skills that entertain urself only

it means mister that imperfection cannot exist when perfection is

so why dont u work rather on the hypothesis of evil wills at the origin to existence, that surely perfection saw and pushed it to for its freedom out of it while sacrificing few rights lost forever in that deep black end

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Okay peeps,

Everyone seems to be getting to caught up with the biblical analogy and less with what I actually intended, which is the idea that an imperfection created the Universe we know today.

Not that I'm blaming anyone. I've been on ATS long enough now I should have realised as soon as any hint of the Bible is mentioned everyone here gets their panties in a twist and the thread soon gets hijacked by Atheists and Christian Fundamentalists. Sorry for the confusion.

edit on 12/11/2011 by 1littlewolf because: (no reason given)

In that case...
I disagree...there was no 'imperfection'...
The conditions were created to 'test' (and I use the term loosely) the depth of free will and the way it operates on all levels...unfortunately, the price to be paid - which was explained, implicitly and explicitly, was, a fall into the conditions of the material domain - where before, the two conditions could be experienced, albeit without the conditions attached to the strictly 'terrestrial' domain...and once this 'sin', 'fall'...let's call a spade, a spade...mistake had been made...there was no turning back...as was explained!
Anything and everything, since then, is a result of a mistake of jurisprudence...not following the rules...but then, an 'out', has been part of this system all the time...the capacity to take as many lifetimes, and through as many experiences as you want to achieve a state where that FREE WILL gives you the option to get back, when the wave arrives every so often...

No Imperfection, just free will...

Akushla
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Now, some of you might find this waaaaaaaaay off....but IS IT POSSIBLE...that the "apple" was the head of Adam's penis? I'm not trying to be perverted, or anything like that...so, i hope i'm not going too far...but, doesn't the head of a man's penis....look like an apple? Seriously? Doesn't the penis.....look like a tree, when erect? Add in the hair, which could look like a bush. Well, you get the picture. And, doesn't the head, have the 'seed', in it?

Maybe, Eve gave Adam oral sex, and then Adam gave the same back to her; and that's when they both were ASHAMED and hid themselves. Also, God said to Eve, 'what have you done'? Now, take into consideration, that God COMMANDED them to be: "FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY". IF, Eve had given Adam oral sex....wouldn't that have been a disobedient act? When you have oral sex....you can't be "FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY".

The reason both of them were cursed...was because Adam obeyed HER voice...and not God's. Before Eve was created...Adam was walking WITH GOD, NAKED! It WASN'T because they ate of the tree. It was because they were DISOBEDIENT. God COMMANDED Adam to TAKE DOMINION OVER EVERY LIVING THING...which would have included Eve! Instead, Eve took dominion over him. That's what brought about the curse. Eve brought Adam to his knees!

Far fetched? Maybe so, maybe not. Look at how much PORN we have these days. There is something about mankind that LIKES perversion! We ALL have a little perversion in us. And, if you say "I dont" you're LYING to yourself.

Again, i apologize for being so brash, but i'm just thinking outside the box.

Nothing is perfect for the reason being that if everything was perfect there would be no progress. With out progress there would be nothing to look forward too. Imperfection adds a sense of unpredictability to our lives. The bad is what gives us the will to push forward.

The strong will survive.

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

and how an imperfection could created smthg so wide objective if perfection is objective right ? explain that, instead of leaning on intentions or writings skills that entertain urself only

it means mister that imperfection cannot exist when perfection is

so why dont u work rather on the hypothesis of evil wills at the origin to existence, that surely perfection saw and pushed it to for its freedom out of it while sacrificing few rights lost forever in that deep black end

Well clearly you don't let something as unimportant as 'writing skills' hold you back, so maybe I'll just follow your lead, mister.

The concept of perfection and imperfection, like your 'evil wills' hypothesis is relative to the observer and doesn't really exist outside the human mind. But unfortunately I'm limited by the English language here so please don't get too bogged down in semantics.

Possibly I should have used the term 'perturbation in the precise order of all', or something along those lines rather than imperfection. But I didn't think a lot of people would understand. And I already have enough problems trying to get anyone to look at my threads anyway.

The concept of imperfection is simple once you get your head around how I'm trying to use it.

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

so now it is the responsability of that miserable eve that all universes are evil ? what could be that symbolic about eating an apple to what is smaller then an aunt which cant even know anything...................

The reason I used Eve is cos if I called it 'Adam's Apple' people would have have thought I was talking about the lumpy thing in guys throats. Next thread I write absolutely will be just for you and I'lll call it 'Idiots please post here'

reply to post by nuttin4U


You need to wash your mouth out with soap, young man/woman...

He he...

Akushla
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reply to post by nuttin4U


u cant b thinking outside of the box when u r meaning all boxes to lock urself inn

how sex is anything else then animals things forced conditions or could matter for any evil and right ?

how women giving oral sex to men are ruling over them?

how men must rule women as living thing ?

how god is the only term of things life?

so u mean being locked in a fanciful creation that enjoy torturing conditions it does, without any sense but creation pleasure of existence cut from all what is real, u definitely should stay there forever showing everyone how hell description suit some

reply to post by akushla99


anyway that apple penis image is all ur pervert head creation

penis dont look as a tree and surely never fruit at its pee hole

if any, apple could be the throat as it is used common words in french the apple of adan

so if god is ur brain life, u as pervert as him could meant eve kissing adam in the mouth

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by akushla99

 

anyway that apple penis image is all ur pervert head creation

penis dont look as a tree and surely never fruit at its pee hole

if any, apple could be the throat as it is used common words in french the apple of adan

so if god is ur brain life, u as pervert as him could meant eve kissing adam in the mouth

Whoa there Jimmy!

Ever heard of humour?

Akushla
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Originally posted by nuttin4U
Now, some of you might find this waaaaaaaaay off....but IS IT POSSIBLE...that the "apple" was the head of Adam's penis? I'm not trying to be perverted, or anything like that...so, i hope i'm not going too far...but, doesn't the head of a man's penis....look like an apple? Seriously? Doesn't the penis.....look like a tree, when erect? Add in the hair, which could look like a bush. Well, you get the picture. And, doesn't the head, have the 'seed', in it?

Maybe, Eve gave Adam oral sex, and then Adam gave the same back to her; and that's when they both were ASHAMED and hid themselves. Also, God said to Eve, 'what have you done'? Now, take into consideration, that God COMMANDED them to be: "FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY". IF, Eve had given Adam oral sex....wouldn't that have been a disobedient act? When you have oral sex....you can't be "FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY".

The reason both of them were cursed...was because Adam obeyed HER voice...and not God's. Before Eve was created...Adam was walking WITH GOD, NAKED! It WASN'T because they ate of the tree. It was because they were DISOBEDIENT. God COMMANDED Adam to TAKE DOMINION OVER EVERY LIVING THING...which would have included Eve! Instead, Eve took dominion over him. That's what brought about the curse. Eve brought Adam to his knees!

Far fetched? Maybe so, maybe not. Look at how much PORN we have these days. There is something about mankind that LIKES perversion! We ALL have a little perversion in us. And, if you say "I dont" you're LYING to yourself.

Again, i apologize for being so brash, but i'm just thinking outside the box.

Nuttin wrong with thinking outside the box nuttin4U, although its definitely a theory on the far end of the spectrum, though I guess no less valid.

Sometimes I get comments that mine looks a baby's arm holding an apple but it does it does make you wonder how Adam got his adam's apple though

reply to post by akushla99


obviously ur humor is not everyone so it cant b called humor thing just to please urself out of it on the expense of all rights for ur evil gods life

when god cant but b him one for its exclusive life, how a human in all gods conditions could mean to do smthg for another, and how that pervert absurd allegation could b a joke

it says how to u, fun is to humiliate others by all u could use and grasp for that end

which say what god is like through his absolute power over humans miserable ends

since u cant came out with that urself alone, negative cannot b creator especially to itself