The Tide is Turning

Just to make things clear..... suicide bombers think they are right as well. Where does that leave us?

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Your passion is admirable. Just one question:
Did/Do you have the same passion for the Tea Party Protests?

reply to post by phishyblankwaters
The OWS may have started out like you say but the special interest groups,America haters and the opportunist have taken the OWS movement over.

The way I see this is if these people standing out in the rain and takeing time off from work can't keep there own house clean then how will they clean up the country?

You can marter these people all you want but as long as the OWS is the mess that it has turned into, no one will respect or care about the few true belivers that are left..............if there even are any left.

I have to admit, it's good to see people taking to the streets. Occupy might not be far enough to the left for me, but at least it's stating the problems inherent in the system. I don't think you can avoid the problems without designing a new system, but at least they are pointing out problems to the segment of the population who is A, aware of Occupy and B, on that particular fence.

Thanks for starting a respectful thread devoid of partisanship. I am so tired of rhetoric that it makes me physically ill. I find myself dreaming of the day when people come together in one voice to create the change they seek as a whole. What I find in reality is the opposite. Two sides fighting for what they think is right yet deceived by those who control their thoughts.

I only want truth and accountability in public officials. A person who is willing to serve the people should be willing to sacrifice for them as well. The opposite is the norm. People strive to gain position for the sole purpose of personal gain. In industry this is commonplace, but in politics it should not be allowed.

How did we get to this point? What happened to patriotism and the idea that people control their government rather than the opposite we see today?

I support the occupy movement because the people who are making sacrifices do so because of a strong personal conviction to right the wrongs of an out of control government.

I do not support people who cause riots or vandalize property. That is not to say I do not understand what they are feeling when they do these things. We have plenty of history to tell us how this will play out. People will protest and the government will step in to quell the people. This may happen all at once in a grand gesture or through subversive action behind the scenes, or both.

I expect an ugly year coming up. I expect headlines that are one sided and misleading depending on the news source. I expect politicians to do what they do best. I expect the stock market to crash. I expect FEMA to grow along with Homeland security and the CIA. I expect a lot of people to be homeless and desolate. I expect inflation to skyrocket.

What I hope for is people to start talking about issues and solutions. I hope the two sides who currently wear blinders due to their circumstances will understand the fruitlessness of their arguments before our country deteriorates into third world status. I hope for patriotic honest leadership. I hope for accountability and action. I hope for fairness in tax structure and opportunity. I hope for massive corruption hearings and penalties dealt swiftly to offenders by a jury of the people and not THEIR peers. I hope for the removal of bipartisanship and the renewal of compromise for the prosperity of our country. I hope for unselfishness.

Call me naive, but I think we can do this if we can come together as one nation who understands the value of freedom and the fragility of Democracy.

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Initial impression having watched video but not read entire thread - bet it's long already - God Bless Roger Waters!

If Roger is on our side, we can win this. And as with what the OP said about non-partisanship, do not ask what we are trying to win. You know what it is.

I was a little too young in the Sixties to do more than watch, but I was with them in spirit and cursed that I was born too late. But in all honesty, this is only a continuation of what the protest of the sixties were about, some of the name have changed but not to protect the innocent, because there are no innocents when it comes to corporate greed beyond the consideration of the human condition. Indeed this was legislated into place as was the "individual" status of a corporate entity.

For the first hundred years of this country's history corporate charters were only granted if they could clearly show that the Corp. would be operating in the public interest. And even then the corporate charter was only granted for either the term of the project or ten years. Today, consideration of human suffering has been legislated out of the equation if there is money to be made for corporate stockholders. What are we doing?

One last note; Has anyone else noticed that Roger Waters is Pink Floyd? I mean, when Pink Floyd does it without Roger and it comes out different than the original, somehow it's not ok. But when Roger does it and it comes out different, it's alright. Anyone else notice this?

My original reaction to OWS was excitement. Our system is flawed and it was exciting to see people willing to go out of their comfort zone to stand for change. I found their courage honorable.

But then I listened to them and sadly realized that many of them weren't standing up for freedom as I believe in it, but rather they seemed to "asking" for things like money, education, health care.....and they seemed to want these things by no effort of their own. Their message, while certainly not uniform or collective, sounds "entitled".

I hope that one day if I am called upon to stand up for liberty that I will have the courage to do so, but this movement does not represent that call. Entitlement never leads to liberty or freedom, it always and only leads to enslavement of the entitled.

So yes, I respect their effort to be heard, but unfortunately for the pro generator of this thread....message does matter, and the more of their message that I discern, the less drawn I am to their evolving cause. Sorry.

Is this the "only one opinion allowed" forum thread? I thought this was a forum. Where free exchange of ideas for or against an "(OP)inion", no? This is not television news as in ONE way communications. I still have a keyboard...
Wait, do I? type, type, type... yep

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Excellent thread, star and flag from me.



Keep it up brother

This book explains much. All someone has to do is quote part of the constitution and the dupes will defend him to the end.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Listen, I understand what you are trying to do, but you can't expect people to discuss the honorable stance of OWS when most people protesting can't even give a straight answer to what they are protesting for. Because in reality, it is not that hard to decide, "hey lets go hang out with our buddies and protest today." I get it. They are "at least doing something" but that "something" doesn't take any drive or intelligence to do. If we could get down to the brass tactics of what everyone is fighting for, then maybe we can take a step in the right direction. Everybody has a different idea of what they expect from all this so how can you expect a direct outcome? This movement not only needs a leader, it needs a focal point. Because if things keep going the way they are going, all we are going to get is a lot more people hurt and a lot more people in jail.

I realize our situation is messed up, but a better plan needs to come in to play so some real outcomes can be established.

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Amen to that S&F for you

As long as people keep feeding in to the partisan mumbo jumbo and waste so much time raging over OWS well..they have been conquered by the Elite. They become the useful idiot, they become the elitists enabler. They do not have to support or agree but to hate OWS and the so many courageous people standing up is just absurd. Creating propaganda threads and hashing out blatant lies about OWS. character assassination... I feel pity and disgust for them.

Cha cha cha changes a coming!... whether they like it or not

For every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite ... the wicked will have to pay the consequences and we have come to collect. The bell tolls for them

System failure imminent , the day or reckoning is near!

reply to post by stephanies-chase

Listen, I understand what you are trying to do, but you can't expect people to discuss the honorable stance of OWS when most people protesting can't even give a straight answer to what they are protesting for.

ORLY? So you have talked to most of the people at OWS? Thousands of people across the country where did you find the time? Or did you come to this conclusion because you heard someone make this claim? This is a logical fallacy! This is the common cop out failed excuse the anti OWS keep regurgitating.

sad really

Deny Ignorance! Never mind, ATS is over run with it these days.

reply to post by Battleline

The OWS may have started out like you say but the special interest groups,America haters and the opportunist have taken the OWS movement over.

If you actually take the time to go down and see for yourself you will clearly see this a lie, this is mere propaganda. Of course the bankers are heavily concerned hence resorting to a smear campaign founded on lies, deception and subterfuge. They are a snake in the grass of the garden and this is what they want you to think.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
do you have the guts to fight for what you believe in? Will you stand in the cold, taking tear gas and rubber bullets, to stand for a principle?

Yes and Yes.

If you won't fight to remake the world in a way you feel is fair and right, who will?

Psychopaths.

If a true movement of the population can't change the system, shouldn't the system be destroyed?

Do you mean reducing the world to anarchy and starting from scratch? No. Lets make some modifications.

Ignore what they are fighting for..........

Are you missing the point of the protests?

Even if you disagree with what they are fighting for, can you not at least RESPECT them for actually trying?

Yes

the tide is turning.

When the Federal reserve is abolished or nationalized, yes, the tide will have turned. Anything else is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Most of the people who attack the movement we have all been hoping for have never even been to a protest, they are arm chair revolutionaries, understand this, no matter what they will attack it.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


OWS is but one mafestation of a large tipping point. When I first saw the title of this thread I immediately thought that maybe you were talking about the collective consciousness, of the whole world and I was going to come in here and type

your damn right it is (tide turning)

It's greater than OWS, and yeah, the tide IS turning. I can FEEL IT!

Way to go OWS for making our voice heard, but you're not the only voice crying out in the wilderness, and at some point, at some stage, you're going to have to fold up your tends, have a shower and run for office, or open a business, you can't stay there forever. Your voice was heard - what the hell keep it up. And thank you, for throwing your body on the gears of the machine.

We'll ALL working on this problem, from every angle and perspective imaginable, and the elite know and understand now that it's not in anyone's control. The people are awakening, and there's no stopping it.

May we come to power. May OWS fold up tends, grab a shower and run for office all across the land, and mobilize as a new third party or something. But fists can only pump the air so many times. The real question is what is everyone DEMANDING?

And what are you prepared to DO about it, not just short term, but in the long run and over the long haul?

Answer that and you've got yourself a quiet revolution.

Personally I think all you need do is to somehow kill the MSM, and capture the hearts and minds of an entire generation, and there it is!

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I harp on this quite a bit but I think it really boils down to media coverage. Here in Cleveland we got some smart a** radio show host who does his daily conservative propaganda 5 hour show. He grabbed a couple of sound clips of a few OWS protesters that didn't sound like they knew why they were down there. Then he proceeded to mock their cause (which is apparently socialism) and their hygiene for four more hours.

I mean what can you expect people to think who haven't been down there? They are fed b.s like this and just mirror the opinions of the nice man on the radio.

Makes me sick.

reply to post by BetterCallSaul


Somewhere among us is the next Steve Jobs who will revolutionize the Internet, and then BU BYE MSM!

They're toast - their worldview and entire paradigm is fast crumbling and they damn well know it! We got em! From here on in it's like those Chinese handcuffs. The more they struggle, the tighter they get.

The truth. Eventually it conquors all.

They're on the run!

Don't whine about it. Bask in the glow of it!

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

-- Arthur Schopenhauer

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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Look guys, let's admit it, the O.P. is right for scolding all of us for wanting to understand the ideology behind this "movement". We no longer live in an age where ideology matters, and to damn sure, we no longer live in an age where reason and critical thought matters. It is unseemly to analyze other peoples motives, not in this day age brothers and sisters! Do not judge others at all for any reason! Do not dare to insist that there is a right and a wrong, or good and evil! Such a thing only makes you an ideologue, and if there is anything that deserves judgement more than anything else, it is the goddamned ideologues, so do not dare to suggest that the "OWS" movement is rooted in any ideology, filled with ideologues, get it? Just shut the hell up and do what your told, and if you cannot praise us for being us, then explain to us bereft of any ideology what your problem is with being beautiful, man? Why do you hate us - the 99% - for being so pretty? Don't hate us because we're beautiful, man. Just praise us.

Nicely put, JPZ.

Please don't protest for the sole intent of desperately fawning for admiration and praise from your peers. Don't cry every time you meet some adversity in your life.

Deny your ego and act as your consciousness directs you.