Crimes of OWS by Category

reply to post by jlv70


Civil Disobedience is not guaranteed in the 1st Amendment. Peaceable Assembly is.

Quoting another leftist like Howard Zinn..

Classic.

Leftists seem to think that protest is license for criminality.

en.wikipedia.org...

Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010) was an American historian, academic, author, playwright, and social activist. Before and during his tenure as a political science professor at Boston University from 1964-88 he wrote more than 20 books, which included his best-selling and influential A People's History of the United States.

reply to post by projectvxn


There's a massive difference between not jumping on a bandwagon and using everything you possibly can to discredit, mock, and demonize whatever it is you're not jumping on.

reply to post by projectvxn


What difference does it make if someone is "right" or "left" if they speak the truth? The whole right/left thing is about divide and conquer.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by projectvxn

 

There's a massive difference between not jumping on a bandwagon and using everything you possibly can to discredit, mock, and demonize whatever it is you're not jumping on.

How is posting what has happened due to OWS any of that?

Whats the matter with posting the truth?

Unless of course the truth hurts....

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by projectvxn

 

There's a massive difference between not jumping on a bandwagon and using everything you possibly can to discredit, mock, and demonize whatever it is you're not jumping on.

Indeed there is.

So when I disagreed and dared to question the roots of OWS and was called a bank shill, fascist, propagandist, right wing conspirator, and having my status as a member of the US Armed forces used against me by your fellow OWS supporters that was ok right?

It's not ok to post substantiated claims of criminality by your fellow OWS members, but it is ok to post baseless accusations of people who disagree with the movement right?

Just wanna get that straight.

Originally posted by jlv70
reply to post by projectvxn

 

What difference does it make if someone is "right" or "left" if they speak the truth? The whole right/left thing is about divide and conquer.

edit on 7-11-2011 by jlv70 because: (no reason given)

edit on 7-11-2011 by jlv70 because: (no reason given)

That's what leftists usually say when trying to appeal to a broader audience.

"The left/right paradigm" is only an illusion if you dare to be on the right.

reply to post by projectvxn


Explanation: Uhmmm?

Where exactly do you think Ron Paul stands?

As I am not the poster of that original message, I feel it would be better for you to go ask them as I only posted what they posted to show that what you posted [and that website you linked posted] was BIASED and not a complete picture!

Personal Disclosure: Furthermore we share the same beliefs in that I also do not support the Occupy Movement!

But I must follow the ATS Motto and your OP brought up an issue thats a favorite of mine ...

Folks, I assure you, there is MUCH, MUCH more out there being reported every day. Crimes much worse than this, including selling drugs, child abuse, sexual assaults, rioting, vandalism, destruction of public and private property, and all kind of crap that is simply NOT indicative of the 99% of Americans who work for a living.

Nobody works for a living BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY IS FAKE!

As long as the money is fake fiat funny money it doesn't matter if you are rich or poor or work or don't work BECAUSE the system is BROKEN and the money is WORTHLESS!

If you're lucky enough to trade with fake ca$h well good on you! You are in fact ripping off people who don't understand that the Funny Money is Fake!

Originally posted by jlv70
This whole thread is just one big red herring. OWS is not about these unfortunate crimes and they don't represent what OWS is about. Civil disobedience is not the problem, civil obedience is

These crimes are a result of the OCCU pie protest/ers/ this is the fruit it is bearing.

BAD APPLES INFESTED THE BARREL!!

Sorry the cause was hijacked ITS OVER!!

reply to post by Adamanteus


So then are you judging all the police by those actions? curious haven't seen any condemnation here but for the police.

reply to post by OmegaLogos

Nobody works for a living BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY IS FAKE! As long as the money is fake fiat funny money it doesn't matter if you are rich or poor or work or don't work BECAUSE the system is BROKEN and the money is WORTHLESS! If you're lucky enough to trade with fake ca$h well good on you! You are in fact ripping off people who don't understand that the Funny Money is Fake!

I agree OL.

But people still do work and earn to have what they have. Whether you agree with the notion of the medium of exchange or not is immaterial to the fact that people who are out there trying to earn an honest living and do what is right are not being represented by this kind of behavior.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by projectvxn

 

There's a massive difference between not jumping on a bandwagon and using everything you possibly can to discredit, mock, and demonize whatever it is you're not jumping on.

No one is TRYING to discredit, mock or demonize OWS....they are doing it themselves.

I had hope for this movement...but it went in the exact direction that I feared.

I'll continue to call out wrongs when I see them, even though the defense of OWS is becoming on the "willful ignorance" side.


If you don't want people to "discredit, mock, or demonize" OWS...maybe you or the organizers should work harder in organizing well defined protests...maybe put a leash on the dogs that are out causing trouble. But you can't...because of HOW OWS WAS ORGANIZED (I've said this since the beginning).

And that is the main issue a lot of people have with OWS...it was organized for chaos...not for directed effort towards realistic goals.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Figures… Neo-Nazis Patrol “Occupy Phoenix” With AR-15′s – Media Silent (Video)

To be fair, this is not a crime. Open carry is legal in Arizona, it didn't say anywhere this person was threatening anyone, or that his criminal record included felony (thus loss of right to carry). Additionally, being a "neo-nazi" is also not against the law.

The article looses a bit of credibility too, being that the title says "nazis" in the plural sense, but only talk about a single one.

I don't know if someone said this already, I looked but may have missed it. If I did, I apologize.

reply to post by neo96


I'm not judging anyone for anything. You asked for something and I provided it. end of story.

Frankly I don't know why you even asked for it, from the amount of Your posts I'm sure You are smart enough to know that all of this already existed, and that someone was going to post links to the things that You requested.

reply to post by RedGod


No it isn't. But the category DOES STATE Advocacy of violence.

Which if you know much about the history of neo-nazi's in the US...Well...It isn't pretty.

I had a friend in Vegas killed by Neo Nazi scum when I was about 13. They lured him to the desert(They used a cute chick) and tortured him and killed him.

People open carrying doesn't bother me as I live in a state that allows it and I support it whole heatedly.

But from what the article states, the guy who is in charge of this group has a long criminal history and shouldn't have been able to purchase the weapon to begin with.

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by projectvxn

 

There's a massive difference between not jumping on a bandwagon and using everything you possibly can to discredit, mock, and demonize whatever it is you're not jumping on.

Indeed there is.

So when I disagreed and dared to question the roots of OWS and was called a bank shill, fascist, propagandist, right wing conspirator, and having my status as a member of the US Armed forces used against me by your fellow OWS supporters that was ok right?

It's not ok to post substantiated claims of criminality by your fellow OWS members, but it is ok to post baseless accusations of people who disagree with the movement right?

Just wanna get that straight.

edit on 7-11-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

So you're reacting as a child would and having a temper tantrum? Because someone on the internet called you a name you've decided to go on a crusade? Really? lol

reply to post by Kali74

So you're reacting as a child would and having a temper tantrum? Because someone on the internet called you a name you've decided to go on a crusade? Really? lol

And now the insults start flying.



So I'm not allowed to point out the hypocrisy in your accusation with my own experience with you people?

And somehow that is being childish?

reply to post by Kali74

So you're reacting as a child would and having a temper tantrum? Because someone on the internet called you a name you've decided to go on a crusade? Really? lol

Pot...meet kettle.

Could you address the points he made maybe?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Kali74

 

So you're reacting as a child would and having a temper tantrum? Because someone on the internet called you a name you've decided to go on a crusade? Really? lol

And now the insults start flying.

So I'm not allowed to point out the hypocrisy in your accusation with my own experience with you people?

And somehow that is being childish?

I'm not insulting you, I'm asking because that's how I interpreted your post. You say you can't get on board with Occupy because you find it to be a liberal movement. We've debated that, your opinion didn't change. All good. I pointed out that not agreeing with something is different than maligning it and your response was that you're doing it because when you questioned it you were called a shill.

Where is my hypocrisy?

reply to post by Kali74

liberal movement.

This is absolutely NOT a liberal movement. There may be some misguided liberals in there. And many are being duped by the establishment leftist into thinking this represents them. But by and large, communism, socialism, National Socialism, and anti-capitalists are NOT the home of liberals.

Otherwise my honest and liberal friends would be supporting this movement and they are not.

It is a LEFTIST movement.

I pointed out that not agreeing with something is different than maligning it and your response was that you're doing it because when you questioned it you were called a shill.

Not at all what i said.

I ASKED if making baseless accusations of ones character and intentions was the same thing as posting articles ad nauseum of criminality in the OWS ranks.