"My daughter deserved to die for falling in love"

Originally posted by Dr UAE
reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone

 

it has never been ok and never will be ok to kill your own child with or with out a religion , i can not understand how can someone kill his own child with his own hand ,it makes me sick and want to throw up just by thinking about it, its unacceptable , it happiness only by those that are less than animals for i have not seen an animal kill its own child.

There are animals that kill their young. Some kill their weakest young, others do it because they're hungry. It's not unnatural, but it's (especially today) uncommon amongst humans. With our complex brains we've come to understand over time how violence and anger are unnecessary (they were very much necessary to early man). Today people are beginning understand that working together will always be more successful to future endeavors than hatred.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by spinkyboo
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A religious 'law' issue?

This is murder.

And this is murder of his own daughter.

Again, I say that so-called religion is leading us all to the end of the world.

How can you justify this so-called religious 'law' with the murder of a young girl, who had all her life ahead of her, and her own father, backed by 'religious law' murders her.

"Religious law' is crap.

It is religious law:
One of the four schools of Islam is Shafi'i school. 'Umdat as-Salik wa 'Uddat an-Nasik is the manual of their law book which was translated in to English by an American Muslim Nuh Ha Mim Keller under the title ‘Reliance of the Traveller and Tools of the Worshipper’. In short it is called ‘Reliance of the Traveller’. This translation was approved by Al-Azhar University, the most authoritative institute in the Sunni branch of Islam.
There is not much difference between various schools on how they treat Non Muslims; and they all agree on the concept of Jihad, Jizya, laws dealing with apostasy and also blasphemy. Reading from this law book of Shafi'i pretty well sums up the position of more or less all Islamic schools on Non Muslims.


@O1.1
Retaliation is obligatory (A: if the person entitled wishes to take it (dis: o3.8)) against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right. (O: Intentionally is a first restriction and excludes killing someone through an honest mistake, while purely excludes a mistake made in a deliberate injury (def: o2.3), and without right excludes cases of justifiable homicide such as lawful retaliation.)

@o1.2
The following are not subject to retaliation:
-1- a child or insane person, under any circumstances (O: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.
The ruling for a person intermitently insane is that he is considered as a sane person when in his right mind, and as if someone continuously insane when in an interval of insanity. If someone against whom retaliation is obligatory subsequently becomes insane, the full penalty is nevertheless exacted. A homicide committed by someone who is drunk is (A: considered the same as that of a sane person,) like his pronouncing divorce (dis: n1.2) );
-2- a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;
-3- a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject of the state is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences);
-4- a father or mother (or their fathers of mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring;

So you want to damn this guy for killing his daughter... I agree however Christianity has killed more people and continue to kill innocent people on a daily basis... Not to mention all the pedophiliacs associated with Christianity. Shame on this guy and shame on religion as a whole.

where is General Pershing when you need him !

This Guy need some Pigs Blood ! to Drink ! for Mercy Honor Killing his Own Daughter!
Fir his Actions ! Muslim Religion is a Sick Sick

Why Pork is Prohibited in Islam
PORK IS SIN AND SICKNESS
www.webziner.com...

Company Sells Gun Oil Laced with Pig Fat to Deny Muslims Paradise
www.splcenter.org...

(SNOPES)
Pershing and Pigs
www.snopes.com...

So is this claim of Pershing and pigs blood used on Muslim terrorist a Myth or Fact or is it still unknown
Rand Abdel-Qader


Women of Honor: Modern Murder


just WOW ! both Daughters

Muslim Father Kills Two Daughters in the USA ( TEXAS ) !

reply to post by Enemyc0mbatant


Strange comparison you make. You equate the murder of a girl with the atrocities of an entire religion, no wonders you feel 'Christianity' has killed more people than this insane man. Maybe you ought to look into Islam history, and how it emerged from the Arabian peninsula to conquer huge masses of lands, and they did so with the sword, not drinking tea.

Hopefully in her next life she will learn to be loyal to family.

The girl is better off than living with those monsters known as "family." It's a shame that this poor girl died for "religious" beliefs...well her dad and brother's at least. If I was his wife, I would have an affair with one of the soldiers and videotape it. I would have a party with all of our friends and family...especially all of the husbands friends and family, I would pop that videotape in and push play and take a gun and shoot myself. That way, I could humiliate him beyond belief in front of everyone he knows, and he wouldn't get the satisfaction of killing me himself.

I know this sounds crazy, but if I lost my child at the hands of my husband, I would have nothing to lose anymore.

Wow, the religion of "peace" at its finest.

With the risk of repeating myself, which I'm doing, BTW, here is a post from a thread I opened some time ago:

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"We were deeply in love and planned to get married; her parents asked me to pay them a visit in Pakistan and talk. We both thought everything will be just fine, her family being an educated one, employed as public servants and military. Man, I never thought about what horrific thing they planned. Shortly before leaving to Pakistan, I had a phone conversation with Marc, who initially offered me to live at his place while being there. (Marc is a common friend, working in a multinational company in Pakistan, my note) He asked me imperatively NOT to come there, NEVER; he told me that he found, on his own channels, that her father only asked me to come there to kill me; my life in exchange of hers, the so called "honor killing". The father asked her to lure me there, this being a proof that she is a "good daughter". I was deeply shocked and horrified. Of course I cancelled my trip. I didn't hear about her since. Is she still alive? I don't know."

What you just read above is a shortened transcript of a conversation I had with a friend of mine, few days ago. He is from the Western part of the world - and that's all I will disclose about him, according to the promise I made. He had an "affair" with a Pakistani girl and you can figure out the rest from what you read already. As you can see, he was lucky enough when Marc - the common friend of ours - found out what trap he could fall in.

Asking somebody to your house in order to kill him??? WTF, dude?? I mean, really, WTF???
Now he is not only pretty scared but he is in a sort of deep shock, realizing not only he escaped from certain death but also that the the girl he wanted to marry with might be also dead by now.

"Marc" is not the real name of our friend but as a precaution, I choosed not to use his real name; these Pakistani furious (and deeply deranged, I might add) guys might have connections at high levels, high enough to look for him also.
Being myself stunned by this, I started to search on the Internet about these things and guess what? No less than 11 (eleven) honor killings took place in Pakistan in January - April 2011, and I'm talking about documented ones... God knows how many others took place for real. And again, guess what? None of the perpetrators were punished as they deserved.
You can read more about this in a report from Asian Human Rights Commission: Pakistan: 11 honour killings from January-April 2011 In Sind
You can read an excerpt here:

An honor killing is the murder of a family member by his or her relatives due to the belief of wrongdoing. These wrongdoings are decided by the family if they think that the dishonor was brought upon them by the victims, who are mostly girls and women. Honor killings are still occurring in Pakistan; and the important thing is that people, who kill on the name of honor, do not feel ashamed about it. An honor killing is also termed as karo-kari in Pakistan. Karo-kari is part of cultural tradition in Pakistan and is a compound word literally meaning lack male (Karo) and lack female (Kari), in metaphoric terms for adulterer and adulteress. The concepts of women as property and honor are so deeply entrenched in the social, political and economic fabric of Pakistan that once labeled as a Kari, male family members get the self-authorized justification to kill her and the co-accused Karo to restore family honor. During the first four months of 2011, as many as seven such incidents took place in the Sindh province of Pakistan. The incidents claimed the lives of 6 women and 5 men making a total of 11. So far, 6 cases have been registered in police stations against these killings; and 6 persons have also been put behind bars.

In Pakistan - and not only there - women and, often, girls, are shot, burned, electrocuted, burried alive (!!!), disfigured with acid, slained, decapitated, stoned, stabbed, strangled, you name it... by their own husbands, fathers or (and) brothers. Almost all of these bastards are free and the ones who are convicted received only 3-4 years in jail, because officials from Pakistan parliament said that "these are part of our tribal culture" so, even if the law there punishes such acts, apparently the "cultural heritage" accepts them as a part of being a Pakistani.
According to the same sick "tradition", if a male neighbour only tells you - TELLS you! - that your wife or daughter is having an affair, you should kill her based on the assumption that your neighbour is right, and you are already dishonored.

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... CONTINUING FROM THE PREVIOUS POST

No, I didn't write this as an attack to Islam or something - I find necesarry to emphasise this - but I nearly had a good friend of mine KILLED by some s.o.b. who doesn't know that a "No, you can't marry my daughter" would be more than enough to sort the things out! Now this gives the heebie-jeebies to any mentally stable human...

With the risk of being cynical, if these things would be a part of Middle Eastern and Asian world only, it would be a thing (let them live with it if they're happy) but they began spreading around the Western countries as well and I'm not sure if it's a coincidence that England owns a great percentage from the total of these "honor killings" and this gives me the creeps...

With the risk of repeating myself... WTF???


Please, please, do not use this thread to attack Islam or Muslims for their religion, this isn't the point here. Think about that girl who was tied up and burried alive and when they opened the grave after few weeks they found her sitting, still tiled, in that grave. Picture this in your mind. even if it looks absurd: it could be YOU.


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My friend is okay now; he remember, from time to time, what was about to happen to him. The whole story left him sad, a bit frightened and a lot wiser...

S+F for you, mate. IMO, this issue isn't emphasized enough.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Keep believing that the fact that it was with an enemy soldier had nothing to do with it. I'm pretty damn sure that if Muslims invaded the UK with force, there would be honour killings in the same manner there too (or anywhere, for that matter).

I highly doubt it, they will certainly not be here. Family is more important than country to most people here.

And the fact that honor killings regularly happened before and in islamic countries which are not occupied proves your assumption wrong. This is a religious and cultural thing, it has nothing to do with the invasion.

Originally posted by WhoDat09
There go those peace loving Muslims for ya again! Makes me sick!!


and I'm sure there really are peace loving Muslims out there, I just haven't met or heard about one yet.

Exactly! You're SO right I can't even say it loud enough!
And I'm not refraining myself to say that giving them permission to live in Western countries was a huge mistake, for we will pay dearly someday. My only hope is that they will pay more!

reply to post by Maslo


The FATHER lost due to his beliefs so he allowed his will to rule and killed her because she found LOVE of his enemy. WEAK genetics indeed inplay here. RIP to the sent.

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Somehow, I think the fact she fell in love with an enemy soldier had a lot to do with it.

The press can say what they want, but the fact is nobody welcomes foreign troops into their country that are there because they invaded.

This has everything to do with culture and not much else so for people to band about another religious card, I am afraid you are wrong here.

This guy, like many of those people have been brought up on a polluted form of socialism and religion so no wonder their is so much cultural baggage. This guy was pissed about his honour amongst his people and tribesman (yes, the tribal culture is very central to the Iraqi's).

Religion, especially Islam abolished this type of insanity but unfortunately a lot of people still carry this type of baggage with them, not being able to tell religious practices from cultural nonsense.

What makes matters worse however is journalism and analysis done at arms length that doesn't really understand any of the above or cares to (much like the mistake the US army made, not giving a # about the people and their long standing traditions).

Originally posted by shansen

Originally posted by WhoDat09
There go those peace loving Muslims for ya again! Makes me sick!!


and I'm sure there really are peace loving Muslims out there, I just haven't met or heard about one yet.

Exactly! You're SO right I can't even say it loud enough!
And I'm not refraining myself to say that giving them permission to live in Western countries was a huge mistake, for we will pay dearly someday. My only hope is that they will pay more!

Yeah those Peace Loving Muslims must be invisible right...idiots

May she rest in peace to live again

And yet 2/3rd's of this board screams bloody murder because the Isreali's are trying to keep this crap at arms length...........

Originally posted by Maslo

'I have only two boys from now on. That girl was a mistake in my life. I know God is blessing me for what I did,' he said, his voice swelling with pride. 'My sons are by my side, and they were men enough to help me finish the life of someone who just brought shame to ours.'

His religion is not at fault here, I don't believe God will bless him for this dead. Unfortunately this is the result of actions without the understanding of religion. He may have the name of a Muslim but the deads of a criminal as such he should be punished in this life and will be punished in the next.