"My daughter deserved to die for falling in love"

Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Somehow, I think the fact she fell in love with an enemy soldier had a lot to do with it.

The press can say what they want, but the fact is nobody welcomes foreign troops into their country that are there because they invaded.

he KILLED his daughter..... He choked her with his foot on her throat... You have quotes from the father saying he did it, saying she deserved it and saying that he would have killed her right after birth had he known she would fall in love with this guy....

You are trying to make this about whether it is right or wrong to invade other countries?

Give me a break! HE KILLED HIS DAUGHTER BECAUSE HE IS A HEARTLESS MONSTER.

Would you kill your child because your country was invaded? I hope not... Would you kill your child for any reason? I hope not...

You come across as trying to justify his actions.. Which is sickening.

Originally posted by Burgo1010
I agree disgusting and how many children has the USA killed in Iraq & Afghanistan, Pakistan etc?

I just despise hypocrisy is all

Are you kidding me? What the hell does this have to do with the story in the link?Save that bs for the proper thread.I swear some people will do anything to go out of their way just to bash America.

Anyway,as for the story,it's disgusting.To kill your own daughter over this?Repulsive.I don't care what your religion is,NOTHING justifies killing your own child and calling it an honor kiling.

I wonder how many of the folks who said that the judge who beat his daughter was within his parental rights feel that this also is within parental rights?

After all, they claimed that how a parent disciplines his child is no one's business but his.

Wouldn't this be a case of the same?

Wouldn't stopping this be an unwelcome governmental intrusion upon individual rights?

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what a sick (please dont warn me for this)
womans pee thing

Originally posted by PurpleHorizon
Her mother was gunned down shortly after. She had been unable to sleep in the same bed as her husband because he had killed their daughter.

www.guardian.co.uk...

It appears in most cases to be the men who carry out these brutal murders, although in some cases mothers have agreed with the killings.

I can not comprehend how you can love your child but kill them because you are so offended by their actions or even thoughts.

It is beyond me, I will not even try to rationalise with religion.

I just read that. But its the only answer. No woman in her right mind even in fear of her life should stay with such men. But you know, they're so programmed its really hard to imagine that they wouldn't stop short of sacrificing 2/3rds of their women if they say, No Way!

How do we support them without war. I would never gear up to war. Instead have open channels and houses, eco farms set up, yurts erected, in many countries and force, with UN police, open passage and networks to get all who want to leave, out on a continual basis. Its takes a more humane world in general.

Having read the article at hand and looked at the posts the following can be stated:

Religious tolerance is one that we all should be mindful of, as they do go hand in hand with each other. Cultures often spring up around a religious idea and ideology, and in this case, it deals with the Islamic world and their very own idea on what is and is not acceptable. We look and may see acts and even things that we do not agree with, and yet would expect them to be tolerant of our own culture and ideas. Tolerance is a 2 way street.

While we may all agree that what this guy did was wrong, ultimately it is the culture that he was raised in and the ideas that he lives by. It is something that has occurred and continues to occur around the world, where a parent, all in the name of religion kills their child, cause they believe that what their child has done was wrong and affront to their belief. Too many wars have been fought over what God things or the very nature of God. And unfortunately, in this case, in that country, such is permitted and considered an acceptable practice.

The Islamic world, if you look at such, from the point of an outsider, what we often see is that women are treated like second class citizens, many are forbidden to enter into some aspects of society, take for example, in Saudi Arabia, women are forbidden by law to drive and can be fined if not lashed for that offense. Women who are rapped are often accused as being the one who caused the act in the first place. Lets face it, women in most Islamic countries in the middle east do not get a fair deal and are not treated as equals. Many are not even allowed to hold public offices of importance, rather they tend to be more to the less important roles in government.

If this had occurred in the western world, then it would be a crime and the man fully prosecuted under the laws of the country that it occurred. But in this case it did not occur in any of the western countries and there fore, is it right that we apply our values and sense of morality to a group that do not believe as we do? After all that is what most of the posters here have done. I am not saying it was right for him to do such, but I do not have the right, nor do any of us, have the right to apply the same ideas of what is right and wrong on that group of people in their own land and country.

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Let me get this straight.

You're saying that if a culture practiced cannibalism and pedophilia, then no one has a right to interfere with it since it is a culturally acceptable practice within that culture?

Sorry, ain't buying it.

No more than I buy letting priests off because child abuse is a culturally accepted practice in the Catholic Church. And please don't try to say it isn't, history shows otherwise.

There are minimum standards of human behavior, regardless of the culture.

Deliberately killing your own children, deliberately killing anyone's children, is outside the minimum acceptable standard.

No excuses or exemptions.

None whatsoever.

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How dare you ask us to take off our cultural blindfolds and view other people even for a moment without them! A curse on you, sir!

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Dr UAE

 

Thank you, Dr,

Thank you so much for your reply.

But I am still trying to see where it is OK to murder your daughter. But is NEVER RIGHT BY BUDDHA, JESUS, or GOD.

So, could someone tell me where it is OK to murder your daughter?

God has no problem with a person killing their child.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.
20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard."
21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

There is only ONE thing that can make a rather normal, non-aggressive person (per his wife, quote pasted below) become a MONSTER and do something so HORRIBLE to ones own daughter...

...AND that ONE thing is something called RELIGION.

There is NO limit to how much of a MONSTER one can become to their family or others in society around them when they are under the influence of RELIGIOUS superstition.

Dangerous folks, they are and can become at ANY time!!! That goes for ALL of the Abrahamic RELIGIONS!!!

QUOTE: 'Even now, I cannot believe my ex-husband was able to kill our daughter. He wasn't a bad person. During our 24 years of marriage, he was never aggressive. But on that day, he was a different person.'

This is the work of RELIGIOUS SUPERSTITION folks!!!

Religion is a horrible cancer to this planet!!!

Originally posted by Traydor
Thank god we only have to put up with musilms in this life because they are all going to burn in hell in the next.

What proof do you have of this being true? Is it because the religion you believe says so? What is the right religion? All religions that write their own holy books will say they are the people favored by god and his laws are just what the people that created the religion wanted to impose on the people.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig

I am not saying it was right for him to do such, but I do not have the right, nor do any of us, have the right to apply the same ideas of what is right and wrong on that group of people in their own land and country.

Gonna have to disagree with you man, and here's why.

Regardless of where one is on this planet, a human is a human. Ideologies aside, that's what it boils down to. No sane person wants to die, or see those they love be killed. "Religious" or "Cultural" ideologies in these circumstances tend to only practically serve one purpose. That is "Justification". Using either of these two concepts, an individual can either be manipulated into or self-justify just about any course of action that they wish, because the conclusions they are drawing concerning their actions do not adhere to any sort of real logic or reason.

You say you believe what the man did was wrong. Would you have stopped him if you could? Doing so would go against your contention that you did not have the right to apply what you felt was right to their situation. So if you could put a stop to it, would you?

The man killed his own daughter for nothing but a thought. It doesn't matter what his reasons were. Imo.

I can't comprehend this father's action!!!!! To kill your own daughter, let alone the sons helped kill her? Any father who loved their children wouldn't think of doing such a thing. Any God who would bless someone killing his own creation, let alone ignore the love that was used to justify her death is no God of mine.

This is a perfect example of what is wrong with religion. It's brainwashing used over thousands of years. Religions have killed in the name of a loving God and in some twisted way they justify it? If there is a hell, there's a special place reserved for this father and his sons.

Thats sick and way beyond wrong . Only moloch would be happy not his allah

How women can stay in a culture like this, where they are treated as chattel and subhuman, is beyond me. If the women left, the men would be helpless and either change or die out for lack of children and wives. Self Respect and demanding the respect they deserve! These men are barbarians, NOT honorable.

reply to post by Maslo


the muslym men are the Icon for male pig, and I speak soft words agaiant this action as Islam is about total control by the male society. They are truly evil and I wish this father would die soon to face his judgment he will dwell in forever darkness the hog. Sorry but this action is inhumain and I just wish he was here in America before the police caught him.

Originally posted by jaxnmarko
How women can stay in a culture like this, where they are treated as chattel and subhuman, is beyond me. If the women left, the men would be helpless and either change or die out for lack of children and wives. Self Respect and demanding the respect they deserve! These men are barbarians, NOT honorable.

Muslim woman are uneducated do.inated pennieless slaves to their male minded faith. How far would they get without money on foot. They aren't allowed to drive. I bet given the real choice many if not most would leave

The killing - the father - the sons assisting - this story is repugnant on every aspect.

Who are the Police who congratulated the father and stood by him?
They should be kicked out of the Police service.

Murder is murder.
Who is protecting the father?

Protecting a criminal is an offence.
Why hasn't anyone been charged?

From where I am sitting and with the information provided there should be a murder charge for the father - by his own admission. The sons both should be charged with assisting in the murder and I am sure there are other charges.

As for the Police - if the article is based on fact then they are guilty of dereliction of duty. Last time I was a Police Officer when a person admitted to a crime I was obliged to at least charge them and then the court continues the process.

Rand - may you rest still in the arms of a loving God and know that your mother will grieve your death and I know her heart will ache until she can join you. Guide us ...

Much Peace...