Europe: "You Are Entering a Sharia Controlled Zone"

reply to post by Mclaneinc


Im not denying they dont but they are no more a threat than the christian nutjobs. Certainly if you are4 from the US, you should be a lot more worried about them, for example one state has just banned oral sex. Now thats just as stupid as anything the muslims want yet its now a law.

All these post with people running scared declaring they are going to take of the world are hilarious.

reply to post by arollingstone


Surveys are useless, the wording of them can get any result you want. Even when asking the same question a different way, you can have polarised results.

eg, Do you think people should watch gangbang porn at 16, almost all will say no.

or you could ask, since 16 year olds can legally have sex, should it be legal for them to watch adult movies.

A lot more people will say yes to the latter even though its the same question.

Originally posted by Maslo
Here is one:

epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu...

Again, nowhere do those statistics say that Britain is ''the most violent country in Europe''.

Having the most recorded violent crimes is not synonymous with being the most violent country.

There are a number of obvious reasons why it's hazardous to compare crime rates between different countries and jurisdictions:

1. The definition of a certain crime varies between countries. In England, for example, you don't have to actually physically attack someone to fall foul of assault laws. Using threatening and intimidating language can constitute an assault.

2. The way in which crime statistics are collated and recorded differs widely. In many crimes, more than one actual offence takes place, but some countries only report it as one crime in official statistics.

3. The level of victim support and trust in the police service and criminal justice system leads to more crimes being reported. As Britain is quite progressive in issues of victim support, then people will have more confidence in reporting crimes.

According to some figures, Sweden has the highest rape rate in Europe. Are Swedes more likely to be rapists ? Or is that just the result of having a more liberal attitude which attaches less stigma to the crime, thus making it easier for a victim to come forward and report it ?

One of the few crimes which can be tentatively compared between jurisdictions is murder - due, firstly, to there being a pretty standard international agreement to what constitutes the crime, and, secondly, because the crime does not go unnoticed and does not require a member of the public to report it.

Britain has a pretty comparable murder rate to many other European countries ( lower than France, Belgium, Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Slovakia, for example ), and 30 times less than South Africa - a country which the Daily Fail article claimed was less violent than Britain.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003Iran does not follow Wahabbi laws. Shias and wahabbis are cut-throat enemies.

edit on 7-11-2011 by ludwigvonmises003 because: (no reason given)

Who can and do collude. Because having each other's back as Muslims takes priority over all other if you can frame it as a us-vs-them.

Al-Q also colludes with Hezbollah.

reply to post by Flyer


And the Christian Dominionists do want to take over the World. I'll feel free to point it out and say that they can shove it too.

You keep throwing Christians in front of Islamists to save them. Always are great technique.

Islams claims to moderations do not stand up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by Flyer
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

Im not denying they dont but they are no more a threat than the christian nutjobs. Certainly if you are4 from the US, you should be a lot more worried about them, for example one state has just banned oral sex. Now thats just as stupid as anything the muslims want yet its now a law.

All these post with people running scared declaring they are going to take of the world are hilarious.

I'm not saying they ARE going to take over the world, I'm saying that's definitely what the handlers in Saudi want.

I still say you are underestimating the threat of these radicals, the devotion to their faith and the brainwashing they receive here in the UK and Europe is astounding, the levels of cash being thrown at it is staggering. Saudi clearly has an agenda and its not just giving away free Qurans

I've yet to see Hari's and Catholics threatening to hack heads off nor post video's of them doing it.

The religion of peace seems very at odds with its own name, time they oust the less peaceful ones so people see the 'threat' clearly.

Originally posted by blueorder
don't we have the highest incarceration rate in Western Europe (on account of us having the most crimes committed per head?)

Luxembourg and Spain have higher prison populations than the UK. So, even on the most basic reading of the statistics, it's untrue that Britain has the highest per capita prison population in Western Europe.

Prison population does not equate to the level of crimes committed in a country.

The US has the highest prison population in the world ( as a total, and, more importantly, as a percentage of the population ), yet that doesn't mean that the US is the most violent country in the world. The US is notorious for their incommensurate sentencing of crimes, and - like the UK - imprisons a ridiculous amount of non-violent criminals, who would be better off being punished in an alternative manner, or not punished at all ( depending on the ''crime'' which they've committed ).

The UK has a prison population 5 times that of Nigeria, and 3 times that of Guatemala. The US has a prison population 3-4 times that of Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras.

There is clearly not a necessary correlation between the prison population of a country and the level of violent crime within that country.

Originally posted by Sly1one
Silly Europeans banned guns....or else this stuff wouldn't be happening. This won't happen in the US because of that very same thing...lets see someone actually try to enforce sharia law on an unwilling well armed constitutionally sound US citizen (the few we have left anyway).

Please note that this isn't a law, or even being seriously considered. It's a statement by one group of radicals who *want* to have this.

And the same can be said for every religious group on the planet. Christians have fought to restrict or remove the rights of gay people all over America. Those same Christian religious groups once supported segregation, and those same right-wing religious nuts did enact exactly these things in parts of the USA during that period.

There are nuts in all religious groups. Just because a few radicals want to kick off doesn't mean anything will ever come of it.
Remember the stickers appearing in a certain part of London? A small group of Islamic fundamentalists started putting up stickers all over town suggesting this exact same thing, and hundreds of citizens went around and removed them.
It was a complete non-story, but the radical right latched onto it as some sort of nationalist symbol of "everything that's wrong in our country!!!!"

Forget the pathetic little stories that actually don't mean anything and focus on the real danger here. The real danger is the radical nationalist who would love to blow something like this up into a frenzy, and before you know it you have another Hitler running the country exclusively for the White, Christian, Republican/Conservative Male.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc
I've yet to see Hari's and Catholics threatening to hack heads off nor post video's of them doing it.

The religion of peace seems very at odds with its own name, time they oust the less peaceful ones so people see the 'threat' clearly.

Likewise, I've seen Israel (which is a Jewish state) bombing Gaza, imprisoning political leaders, stealing land...
I regularly see Christians (who preach tolerance and peace) demanding that the rights of others be removed or restricted. I've seen the catholic church protecting pedophiles and exacerbating the spread of AIDS in Africa.
I've seen radical Christians in America standing at the funerals of those killed at war in Iraq calling them "Fags" and suggesting that they deserved to burn in Hell for all eternity.
I saw Bush (again Christian) sending people to die for his wars. I see Christians supporting the process of assassination practiced by the US against "suspected insurgents" in other countries without explanation or any evidence offered to anyone.

How would you suggest "ousting" those Christians?

I'll say it again, a few nuts do not represent an entire group of people. And if they did, Christians and Jews would be the most hated and violent religious groups on the planet for all the carnage they've caused. Far more people have been killed by Jewish and Christian bombs and bullets than have been killed by Islamic fundamentalists.

All religious groups have their crazies. But only the unreasonable people or those with another agenda make it appear that those crazies speak or act as representatives of an entire people. They don't speak for their religion, just as one Pagan dancing naked around a fire before decapitating a Chicken doesn't represent me.

the west has its armies, corporations and greedy paws in the middle east, while middle easterners are emigrating and living in the west in huge numbers. it seems the crusades will never end, both sides are continuing to infiltrate the other. it is sad that because of religion the two sides have not been able to get along even after thousands of years, and yes i believe the contributing factor is religion. if it were not for religion all 3 sides, christians, muslims and jews would not b classified as such and thus would not have much reason for the division and turmoil.

i have nothing against religion but i have a problem w the fact that gods law is so easily twisted and corrupted and used for power and land grabs, the hypocrisy on all sides disgusts me.

i mentioned 2 sides because it does seem the christians and jews are on one side while muslims are on the other and have been for centuries.

reply to post by Aeons


Al qaeda and hezbollah do not collude.They are enemies of each other. Al qaeda is a cia controlled wahabbi group and hezbollah is iranian controlled islamist group.

Al qaeda and wahabbis are way more fire-band and dangerous fellows compared to Hezbollah.

reply to post by Maslo

Do you have any evidence that the survey is biased? 1000 people is more than enough to accurately determine the opinions of diverse groups if the sample is not biased.

Burden of proof is on you, you're the one using it to make claims. Prove it isn't biased - provide some of the sampling methods they used. It's not on me at all. By your logic I can cite a survey that says 'Most Christians are greedy' and you'd be the one that has to disprove it. Nonsense.

Source, please, I dont think so.

I've already posted LOTS of these sorts of sources before. As have other members. All you have to do is type 'Muslim condemn violence', or something along those lines, into google.

Edit: In fact, I recall discussing similar issues with you specifically on other threads.

You'll have to take my word for it as I can't be bothered to keep making the same argument over and over again - I was raised in a Muslim household in a Muslim country. I studied the religion as a Muslim for years, and discussed it with other Muslims. I can also now look at the religion more objectively as an outsider. Therefore, I'm very familiar with the religion and its followers...

... Whereas you clearly aren't.

Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by Aeons

 

Al qaeda and hezbollah do not collude.They are enemies of each other. Al qaeda is a cia controlled wahabbi group and hezbollah is iranian controlled islamist group.

Al qaeda and wahabbis are way more fire-band and dangerous fellows compared to Hezbollah.

They absolutely do collude. There have been numerous occassions where they have had instances of talks and actions planned together. Do they love each other? No. Do they work on everything together? No.

They don't like you more than they don't like each other.

reply to post by detachedindividual


70% of the Muslim population on the planet are NOT moderate. When they vote if they have voting systems, they consistently vote for extreme Islamists with coalitions tending to the extreme.

The "moderate" party in Tunisia has a key member who used to be in exile in Britain and was quite adamant about wanting to hang women's rights activists in Tunisia from light poles.

That should give you a fairly good idea of what the cultural context of "moderate" is.

reply to post by Aeons


what is the evidence? please no NATO/corporate media sources.They are simply not credible.Iran and Al qaeda are enemies.Al Qaeda is Saudi-CIA front.Hezbollah is iranian.

reply to post by CountDrac


You might not wanna get your "information" from blogs

This whole thing is impossible given that Sharia cannot ever overrule common law in Europe...

Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by Aeons

 

what is the evidence? please no NATO/corporate media sources.They are simply not credible.Iran and Al qaeda are enemies.Al Qaeda is Saudi-CIA front.Hezbollah is iranian.

Go plumb the Jihadi boards yourself, if you don't want credible sources. I'm already on a watchlist or two. I try to only plumb their end of the sewage pit as little as I need to to confirm things.

Out of curiosity...in your world, is anybody not a spy or agent?

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by CountDrac

 

You might not wanna get your "information" from blogs

This whole thing is impossible given that Sharia cannot ever overrule common law in Europe...

You clearly are misinformed about the concept of "common law" if you think that sweeping demographic change won't have an impact on it.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by CountDrac

 

You might not wanna get your "information" from blogs

This whole thing is impossible given that Sharia cannot ever overrule common law in Europe...

You clearly are misinformed about the concept of "common law" if you think that sweeping demographic change won't have an impact on it.

Those very laws prevent a replacement by Sharia. I take it you never studied law?