Europe: "You Are Entering a Sharia Controlled Zone"

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by shansen

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by shansen

 

But I'm not Christian.

Now explain it again.

Rhetorically speaking.
But if you're an atheist, or Jew, or Buddhist, just replace "Christians" accordingly. Or with "locals". Or whatever.
For sure you know what I meant.

As for me, even if I'm a ferocious anti-communist, I think Marx was right: religion is, indeed, people's opium. The "elites" always used religion to wage wars against others and guess what: the poor, stupid bastards killed each other screaming "Jesus!" or "Allah!" while the "elites" watched them with a grin.

So some of the most concerned people I've met have been....Atheists, Secularists, Humanists, Agnostics.

You know, those people who've been willing to swat the other religions for encroaching on freedom of thought.

As opposed to religious zealots who would rather you didn't have the freedom of choice?

I'm an Atheist, I have very good reasons to be one that I've explained on here before, I don't force my views, I don't ask people to convert to my views, I do ask people to question themselves and anything they find different, its a waste of a brain if you blindly follow.

Oddly blindly following is the number one aim of almost every religion out there...

I believe in logic, science and learning....

Originally posted by dizTheWiz
These (user-snip) in saudi arabia made school girls stay in a buring building cuz they tried to escape without their headscarves, black robes and a male escort. 15 girls died and 50 were injured

That isn't Sharia law. Source?

Once again, most Muslims don't want Shari3 law enforced in non-Muslim countries. The people mentioned in the OP sound like a group of extremists. That is how Boko Haram and the Taliban operate - using violence and force to impose irrational, fabricated and misunderstood extremist values. Muslims don't want that either.

reply to post by arollingstone


My most you mean, 20% don't want it. Another 50% are willing to be guided by whatever laws are in place, and of those 40% lean towards more Shariah acceptance, and the last 30% are full out actively working for it?

My stats are probably closer to than your "Most."

In Muslim countries, 70% of the population consistently votes for Islamist groups, tending towards coalitions of extreme conservatives. That's the MOST of the population of Muslims.

To ignore this as a 'small minority of extremists' is to fundamentally miss what is happening here.

Islamic society is caught up in a self-replicating, endless cycle of violence and fear, driven by its most devout believers.

The cycle goes like this.

The Violence Each generation’s most devout believers train a small percentage of the next generation’s most devout believers that it is OK to commit violence in the name of Islam. This becomes an endless cycle because these devout believers are also instructed to kill anyone who tries to modify or stop the teaching of this violence. The Fear Because (1) these potential killers are trained everywhere within Islam and evenly distributed throughout the greater Islamic population (ummah) and, (2) they cannot be easily identified, it means any devout believer anywhere could be the next killer.

Every Muslim is aware of this potential threat (fear) from these most devout believers. As a result all Muslims suffer from the same fear that drives the system. The violence and fear created by these devout believers has a profound effect on Islam. It is at the core of what Islam has become. The violence/fear cycle is responsible for all the irregularities of Islamic society. It is why Muslims seem so pious (fear of a negative response from the most devout believers). It is why Muslims don’t leave the faith and why they don’t integrate when they emigrate. (The killers are trained to kill anyone who leaves the faith). It is why moderate Muslims never speak up (the killers are trained to kill anyone who questions the faith).

It is why Muslims from Morocco to the Philippines riot over a handful of cartoons or a simple comment from the Pope. (The killers riot and others go along in order to look pious.) This violence/fear cycle leaves a deep psychic scar on Muslim society, and is responsible for what Islam is. Understanding this violence/fear system is the ultimate key to understanding Islam. No attempts to deal with Islamic violence will ever succeed unless they address the cause of this violence/fear cycle.

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Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Freeborn

 

The UK has more than 80 Shariah Courts.

and they are completely worthless. They dont have any legality at all.

No doubt youve been reading the daily fail fear mongering.

I bet the amish have 10 times as many private courts in the USA and they arent about to take over, are they?

edit on 6-11-2011 by Flyer because: (no reason given)

Technically the users have to follow their rulings so they have some legality.

But what we fail to address here is the simple fact that in the UK there's only one faith pushing forward for their own set of laws, and if you actually understand the inner workings of the scheme of things and have dialogue with those that want Sharia law you soon see that they want Sharia to be the only law, they don't respect any laws not of Allahs making.

Now of course here's the bit that these same people refuse to say, the laws they wish to follow as not of Allah but of MEN who made up scriptures who mostly follow Wahhabism these days but still scriptures that were man made for men to reward from.

The militants wish is to convert or remove non Muslims, they have no wish to coincide with us, and unlike the Amish their views and faith have been adjusted to that of abject cruelty.

What worries many is that suddenly the world have gone Muslim friendly which is not a wrong thing but their in lies the Trojan Horse, the radicals have their own agenda and trust me, they put one hell of a lot of money into making it happen.

If you feel safe with that then good but I don't, when a LARGE proportion of people refuse to integrate unlike many quite normal humans like my Muslim inlaws then that worries me, when that group of people are very well financed with an agenda to spread their religion but not their friendship across many countries I really do think I should be watching this.

reply to post by arollingstone


37% of young British muslims would favor Sharia law in Britain over current secular law (Source). So, while you are right it is not majority, I think its a disturbingly high number. And it has tendency to increase (among older muslims it is lower).

reply to post by backinblack


How many or our laws get changed, enacted or stopped because of the screaming and ranting of a few? You are wrong my friend. The squeaky wheel gets the oil!

As a hairy arsed Scotsman, I can say 10000% no Sharia law will EVER happen in Scotland.
Scotland is a VERY protestant place, and one of the (Sadly) most bigoted, racist places on the planet.

Nice place to live, but it all about Catholic/Protestant here.

Originally posted by shauny
As a hairy arsed Scotsman, I can say 10000% no Sharia law will EVER happen in Scotland.
Scotland is a VERY protestant place, and one of the (Sadly) most bigoted, racist places on the planet.

Nice place to live, but it all about Catholic/Protestant here.

Ready to go over Hadrian's Wall?

reply to post by Aeons

You should stop babbling and letting a fascist paper think for you.

The courts have no power, no more so than the amish choosing to settle disputes among themselves and they arent about to take over the world.

Originally posted by Flyer
reply to post by Aeons

 

You should stop babbling and letting a fascist paper think for you.

The courts have no power, no more so than the amish choosing to settle disputes among themselves and they arent about to take over the world.

I do my own thinking. I have read the Daily Mail, however, I also read on a weekly basis a selection of journals throughout the Western World, and a smattering of ones from Russia, China, Japan, African and South America.

Amish don't want to take over the World. Their Lord's Kingdom isn't on Earth. When it is, they figure they'll be rewarded for just living their life. When the Amish get caught for BS - and they have some - they get spanked.

Many Peoples. One Law. No Exceptions.

Protect Islam.

Accept European Culture Extinction.

Let me quote, from Recommendation 1333 of the Council of European Parliament about their views on the the Aromanian culture.

The Aromanian language and culture are facing a similar fate to that of many European cultures which are becoming or have become extinct. However, the acceptance of a pluralist system of cultural values is a prerequisite for stability in Europe, and particularly in the Balkans.

How nice. We get that you are going extinct, and we see that. However, that's the nature of pluralism in Europe and the Balkans and our vision of stabilization.

Now, go look very closely at the Balkans and see what that "acceptance of pluralism" means.

Because at some point "pluralism" became "mutually exclusive enclaves forced to live under each other's rule by force where the group with the most fire power wins, and culture is defined by your group being willing to wreck havoc."

Anything else must accept extinction by pluralism as a basis of stability.

But I particularly like this part:

The latter text recommended setting up, under the auspices of the Council of Europe, a "laboratory for dispersed ethnic minorities" with a mandate, inter alia, to promote the survival of minority cultures or their memory, carry out surveys of persons still speaking minority languages, record, collect and preserve their monuments and evidence of their language and folklore, publish basic documents and promote legislation to protect minority cultures against discrimination or annihilation.

Oh that's nice. We know we are extincting you, but we promise to make sure that there are some documents about your existence for posterity.

I'm touched.

reply to post by Aeons


Ah now we get to it, you think they are going to take over the earth.

I can tell youre an avid fox news viewer and a daily fail reader.

I highly recommend a read through the European Council. It is highly educational.

Their views about culture and the promotion of pluralism at all costs are actually directly in contravention of the policies on the protections of peoples that those same nations support in the United Nations.

It is a fascinating concept. *YOU* don't control what your culture is. They do. Attempts to protect your culture or people are specifically targeted as bad behaviour.

But they promise to dispatch some academics to suggest that people treat you nice while they extinct you, and dispatch the appropriate people to record your languages and the fact that you existed once upon a time.

Seriously. The New Roman Senate of Europe is so sweet.

Originally posted by Flyer
reply to post by Aeons

 

Ah now we get to it, you think they are going to take over the earth.

I can tell youre an avid fox news viewer and a daily fail reader.

Attack the premise, not the source.

You can't so you have to consistently attack the Messenger or the Source. Because you absolutely cannot contest the premise.

Originally posted by Aeons

Attack the premise, not the source.

You can't so you have to consistently attack the Messenger or the Source. Because you absolutely cannot contest the premise.

They are not credible sources, I refuse to believe anything from them like other sites like the EU times, before its news or Sorcha Faal. They are proven liars and hoxers.

Theres no need to contest the premise because there isnt one, you might as well be saying black people or Mexicans are trying to take over the US.

Over 1 million Poles have entered the UK in the last couple of years, I suppose you believe they are trying to take over the UK too?

Do Poles specifically adhere to a religious, legal, and political ideology that promotes that the don't assimilate and that they are specifically charged with conversion at all costs of their host society - obedience acceptable in place of faith?

If a group is specifically being imported at a pace that does not support cultural stability that is NOT acceptable.

Doing so after pursuing a 50 years of promotion of encouraging population reduction in the name of stabilization, and then saying you need mass importing of other cultures because you don't have enough people is fracking insulting. We are going to replace you with groups that do breed. Thanks.

Insanity incarnate.

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by Aeons

Attack the premise, not the source.

You can't so you have to consistently attack the Messenger or the Source. Because you absolutely cannot contest the premise.

They are not credible sources, I refuse to believe anything from them like other sites like the EU times, before its news or Sorcha Faal. They are proven liars and hoxers.

So, you are saying that there are NOT more than 80 Shariah courts in the UK. And they don't exist, because the Daily Mail says they do.

After arguing that their existence doesn't matter.

Can I find someone I don't like that says the sky is blue, so that I can prove it is pink too? Because that is a fantastic argument.

Originally posted by shauny
As a hairy arsed Scotsman, I can say 10000% no Sharia law will EVER happen in Scotland.
Scotland is a VERY protestant place, and one of the (Sadly) most bigoted, racist places on the planet.

Nice place to live, but it all about Catholic/Protestant here.

oh really, more "bigoted or racist", than parts of South Africa where dozens of people were lynched in the townships because they came from another country in Africa, or worse than Nigeria were Islamists just offed 70 Christians?


Do behave yerself

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by Aeons

Attack the premise, not the source.

You can't so you have to consistently attack the Messenger or the Source. Because you absolutely cannot contest the premise.

They are not credible sources, I refuse to believe anything from them like other sites like the EU times, before its news or Sorcha Faal. They are proven liars and hoxers.

Theres no need to contest the premise because there isnt one, you might as well be saying black people or Mexicans are trying to take over the US.

Over 1 million Poles have entered the UK in the last couple of years, I suppose you believe they are trying to take over the UK too?

keep sticking your head in the sand sunshine