Europe: "You Are Entering a Sharia Controlled Zone"

reply to post by Flyer


www.guardian.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...

3 Articles from a mainstream left-leaning newspaper. Enough?

reply to post by hmdphantom


Very convenient for you to leave out the part that I said its legal and woman are still being stoned to death in the Middle East.

It’s primitive and disgusting, and Islam is the only religion still practicing these types of barbaric laws and behavior in the 21st century.

Trying to justify this makes you look ignorant and as bad as the people doing it.

you let them take away peoples free will
and you let them take over every thing.

how do you think Hitler started.
He told people what they wonted to heir.
Then he gave it to them!
you know the rest.

reply to post by buddha


The very essence of Islam is a denial of free will and complete and total subservience to Allah's word.
Followers are permitted, in fact encouraged, to use any means possible to spread Allah's word, even including lying, cheating and deliberately misleading non-believers.
As a result Muslim extremists seek to use 'The West's' freedom of speech and freedom of belief to eventualy deny everyone else those self same freedoms.

^ For millenniums this has been
same old/same old
for elementary, and catholic schools, hospitals,
churches, seminaries etc.
Just as hospitals have quiet zones etc; Wouldn't it be ridiculous
and hateful to expect a casino or a strip-joint to build
beside a Anglican church ? . . . just asking
Nothing new here, only flame and scare-tactics
BOO

Originally posted by CountDrac
This is scary and an example of what would happen to the west if islam keeps spreading.

A Muslim group in Denmark has launched a campaign to turn parts of Copenhagen and other Danish cities into "Sharia Law Zones" that would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic law.

The Danish Islamist group Kaldet til Islam (Call to Islam) says the Tingbjerg suburb of Copenhagen will be the first part of Denmark to be subject to Sharia law, followed by the Nørrebro district of the capital and then other parts of the country, the center-right Jyllands-Posten newspaper reported on October 17.

Call to Islam says it will dispatch 24-hour Islamic 'morals police' to enforce Sharia law in those enclaves. The patrols will confront anyone caught drinking alcohol, gambling, going to discothèques or engaging in other activities the group views as running contrary to Islam.

full article:
www.hudson-ny.org...

edit on 5-11-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)

My advice? Convert to islam and learn to say allahu'a'ahkbar!

Originally posted by ToneDeaf

^ For millenniums this has been
same old/same old
for elementary, and catholic schools, hospitals,
churches, seminaries etc.
Just as hospitals have quiet zones etc; Wouldn't it be ridiculous
and hateful to expect a casino or a strip-joint to build
beside a Anglican church ? . . . just asking
Nothing new here, only flame and scare-tactics
BOO

edit on 6/11/11 by ToneDeaf because: (no reason given)

Lol. Might not be a bad idea considering how far down the sh*tter the entire world has fallen into. The mexican drug cartels days would be numbered when Islam takes over mexico, they will put the entire lot of those damned drug lords to the sword and i must say thats probably a blessing considering how many people that have beheaded, disemboweled and hanged from bridiges and dumped tons of bodies into mass graves. Kiss the sex slave trade goodbye too. Lot of good things coming out of sharia. I have to say it would be funny to see those mexican druglords get flogged.

I wonder how you say "death to mexican drug cartels" in islam. They'd have those drug lords running for the hills like their asses were on fire and their hair was catching.

The Mexican drug cartels are cross training with Islamic Militants.

Seriously. They actually are. I'd like that to be some sort of black humoured flame, but that's actually happening.

Drug cartels would not be under any problems in a system of Shariah. Drug problems are rampant in the young in Iran. Pay your bribes, and everyone is happy.

lets not bring drugs into the discussion, we all know thanks to the cia america would get owned in that conversation =/ not to even begin to mention what happened prior in history with opium and the conquest of china. but I digress.

no music? music is vibration and thats what wind is, you can't ban wind. we don't need more control structure in whatever form, I stand by my previous comments on this subject aswell.

srsly, try telling half of britain they can't listen to drum and bass anymore at a club, we have certain freedoms for a reason. to stop people going (as) insane.

(in blunt terms, if you don't like our country, find another one.)

reply to post by whatsinaname


en.wikipedia.org...

This is a list of all the nations which are guided by the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, in which it specifically states that they are all guided by Shariah.

People who wish to live in a Shariah guided state have about sixty of them to choose from, plus several "protected" regions within other states.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

The mexican drug cartels days would be numbered when Islam takes over mexico

Id prefer drug cartels over sharia. At least with secular drug cartels, you know what to expect, and you are mostly left alone and free as long as you do not interfere with their bussiness, its no different than any other mafia. Sharia and islamist culture is based on irrational nonsense, it infects and restricts every part of society, and it is the innocent that suffer under it. It is a disgrace to human race.

@Flyer....

I know you refuse to listen to people saying that the radical Muslims want to have their system installed worldwide but how can you ignore the actual Radicals saying the same. You don't need to check facts with us, just watch Saudi TV.

Are they liars as well?

Do you deny that Saudi pushes VAST sums of money into building 'super Mosques' across many countries?

Do you deny these are self sustaining non integrating places in numbers well above the Muslim numbers in those area's?

Do you deny a massive number of Mosques outside of Saudi have been found to regularly allow Radical Wahhabi trained preachers to attend and give hate speeches?

Do you believe the money they are pumping into this is merely to keep a few 'nutjobs' happy?

Simply stating that you don't believe any press regarding this is the equivalent of me saying the same about you denying it all, its a stupid argument. You know as I do that the Radical belief is to spread the word of Wahhabism across the world, the wish is to have only one culture, one law.

We have three types of Muslim :-

1. Ordinary people who have a faith that do wish to spread the word but as defined in the book it cannot and MUST not be pushed upon people. These people like my in laws respect the laws of the land live and integrate happily.

2. You have the Radicals, they make no bones about their wishes, they have one goal, a land without democracy and ruled with a rod of iron under MAN MADE Wahhabi laws, not under Allah as claimed.

And then you have what I call the snakes, the Moderate Muslims, most of these have feet in both camps, extremely charming to the media of the world but many with direct links to radicals, in most cases incredibly corrupt individuals.

Unless your eyes have been closed for the last ten years then you will have noticed an unsettling shift to bring in the Radicals by making allowances, allowances no other faith has been given.

Are these radicals about to burst in to power, most likely not BUT you watch the continued unchecked build up and watch that nightmare happen in the future.

reply to post by Freeborn


You'll have to excuse some of our US posters..

Who believe that when you have a problem, shooting it is the only answer.

I'm at a loss, the system of calling someone a racist if they mention Muslim is still at its mind numbingly stupid level, I'm certainly no racist and for those Muslims reading the threads will realise I do have a huge knowledge of the culture and faith, I know what the book says and what man has added.

As I'm an Atheist I have no cling to a faith but it does not say I cannot understand and explore the knowledge of it, it makes people like me ideal for this because I have no preconceived ideals or implanted upbringing to muddy the understanding.

When I left Northern Ireland at age 8 we left because my mother was Catholic and my Dad Protestant, we left one night with the clothes on out backs in sheer terror because we were going to be killed over that marital link, neither side wanted us here.

We simply escaped with our lives, barely...

Another thing that coming from Ireland had all those years ago (I'm 50 now) was that I'd never met a person of other race or colour, the black and white TV images I remember were hardly an introduction. But by the same notion I'd never been indoctrinated with a hatred of different races, when I came to England and met the first Black person it was a new and friendly experience, I had never seen people as colour so when I did it was just another human and I never have experienced a racial hatred.

So I think I can say that I can look at things from a sterile viewpoint, I can understand and appreciate that many people have a 'faith' and for a great many it gives them comfort which in this day and age is greatly needed but I also see others whose faith consumes them, this isn't about a spiritual well being, its about a wish to attack and remove a different faith to their own. This isn't a natural wish, its an implanted command by people proclaiming to have better faith, better knowledge.

Religion is steeped in control and bloodshed, show me one that isn't but as the religion has evolved it normally wishes people to perceive it as 'peaceful', that's not to say any religion is above being corrupt, with humans in control its so easy to happen, its like in any walk of life, the humans that are the weak link.

But theirs one branch of Islam which if any true Muslims on here would admit should be cast out of their faith as they follow a man made version of the Quran, many of the ideal's of the book are simply ignored to follow a much more controlling bloody path. Many of the 'laws' are not real, certainly not as the book described them and are deliberate inventions of MAN for the reward of MAN, this isn't different to most religions but the Radical Islam side takes it to incredible levels of belief and brutality.

And there in is our problem, look at the number of countries who follow Islam as their main faith, then look at the number who actively seek to make that country have ONLY that faith, this isn't in the book.

Now look how many follow Wahhabi laws and Sharia, the number is frighteningly high, take Pakistan they don't follow just Sharia but its widespread and used to attack Christians daily), Iran, now Libya and Egypt, Saudi itself, Somalia and many other African countries whose sole faith is Radical Islam, these countries have a level of brutality seen as second to none.

The level of instilled fear, hatred, belief and control in these people is upon and beyond a spiritual well being, these are rigorously trained people, these are also the same people being dispatched to the West with all their views intact.

I've seen these wishes, I've talked to these people, they see us as a blight.

People really should be keeping a better eye on these people, these are not normal Muslims looking to pray and get on with life, they have been given a task beyond the books aims, hatred of others not found in the book and a belief that is unshakeable but not as per the book.

Originally posted by Miraj

You'll have to excuse some of our US posters..

Who believe that when you have a problem, shooting it is the only answer.

Some do indeed, thankfully not all...

reply to post by Freeborn

However, they had to be seen to support 'pro-democracy rebels' and couldn't afford to completely alienate them.

Considering that most lslamic firebrands are given asylum in UK and protected by UK taxpayers.These guys are linked to Mi6.Also,the french and british knew that Al Qaeda was going to overthrow Ghadafi in 2010.Also the initial media reports were fakes to build support for war. This will expose corporate journalists as spies for NATO:

www.voltairenet.org...

They were informing NATO about the Libyan state troops movements and high level command targets.So,like how was your media telling truth if they are spies for NATO. Clearly indicates you have been deceived by your elite who wanted to steal Libya's oil.

reply to post by Mclaneinc


Iran does not follow Wahabbi laws. Shias and wahabbis are cut-throat enemies.

reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

Considering that most lslamic firebrands are given asylum in UK and protected by UK taxpayers.

Are they?
Yes, some have been given asylum here in the UK, much to the disgust of the vast majority of British people, but hardly 'most Islamic firebrands'.
One of the biggest problems here is the emergence of the homegrown extremists and terrorists!

And I don't think they are 'protected by UK taxpayers', however, unfortunately our taxes do subsidise them - again much to the disgust of the vast majority of British people.

It appears that like it's predecessors this government is reluctant to address the genuine cares and concerns of an increasingly large proportion of the UK electorate - unfortunately our outdated and unrepresentative corrupt party politcal system allows this and ensures the continuance of the status quo.

These guys are linked to Mi6

Who are?

Also,the french and british knew that Al Qaeda was going to overthrow Ghadafi in 2010

And what is wrong with that?
Surely that is the result of having good intelligence services - it makes sense to monitor events etc in places like Libya etc.
And that enables nations etc to develop contingency plans.

Also the initial media reports were fakes to build support for war. This will expose corporate journalists as spies for NATO:

I think it's common knowledge that it's common practice for some journalists to supply information etc to intelligence agencies - I hardly think the UK etc are unique in this, quite the contrary.
That doesn't make the information bogus or mere propoganda.

Here's a link to how 'The Rebels' were portraying themselves as pro-democracy fighters even to Al Jazeera way back in March.
english.aljazeera.net...

Initially 'The Rebels' were made up of numerous tribal / political / religious groups etc however eventually Al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists gained prominence.

They were informing NATO about the Libyan state troops movements and high level command targets.So,like how was your media telling truth if they are spies for NATO.

Initially they were.
They then tried to hide from us that Islamic extremists had gained control of 'The Rebel' organisation for fear of public backlash.
This is still being played down here in the UK.

Clearly indicates you have been deceived by your elite who wanted to steal Libya's oil.

The UK had invested much in Libya and depsite preferring to maintain the status quo they obviously prepared for every eventuality and hedged their bets.
Much as it pains me to say this - but why wouldn't they?
Protecting British interests is what the British government is supposed to do.

I think the Libya debate belongs in Libyan threads and none of this has much more than an incidental relevance to there being alleged Sharia controlled zones in Denmark or even the UK.

reply to post by Aeons

My most you mean, 20% don't want it. Another 50% are willing to be guided by whatever laws are in place, and of those 40% lean towards more Shariah acceptance, and the last 30% are full out actively working for it?

Source? That is a) impossible to determine and b) biased statistics.

My stats are probably closer to than your "Most."

Your statistics are misleading and incorrect, whereas my statement is not.

In Muslim countries, 70% of the population consistently votes for Islamist groups, tending towards coalitions of extreme conservatives. That's the MOST of the population of Muslims.

Which Muslims countries? Which Islamist groups? How many countries are actually run by Islamist groups?

You don't know what you're talking about.

reply to post by Maslo

37% of young British muslims would favor Sharia law in Britain over current secular law (Source). So, while you are right it is not majority, I think its a disturbingly high number. And it has tendency to increase (among older muslims it is lower).

That was a survey of around 1000 people, of course a segment can often reflect trends amongst larger populations but not when they're so large and diverse. There's Sunnis, Shi'3s - all of whom have different interpretations of Shari3 law. And Shari3 law itself can range so so much, it isn't all about beating women who watch tv and drink alcohol.

If they were really that bothered, you'd see Muslims on the streets en masse demanding their own laws. It really sounds like sensationalism to me.

Also, Muslims who live in Muslim countries tend to be less radical than the ones living in non-Muslim ones.

It's bizarre, I find British Muslims have a bizarre interpretation of Islam.

reply to post by arollingstone

That was a survey of around 1000 people, of course a segment can often reflect trends amongst larger populations but not when they're so large and diverse. There's Sunnis, Shi'3s - all of whom have different interpretations of Shari3 law. And Shari3 law itself can range so so much, it isn't all about beating women who watch tv and drink alcohol.

Do you have any evidence that the survey is biased? 1000 people is more than enough to accurately determine the opinions of diverse groups if the sample is not biased.

Also, Muslims who live in Muslim countries tend to be less radical than the ones living in non-Muslim ones.

Source, please, I dont think so.