Hello Everyone. New Member Here looking For Some Advice

This little girl is not behaving odd in any other way. She sounds like a very normal child in all other aspects. (I U2U the OP-ster and have a fair idea of the child, as the father did not contradict me in saying that all other behaviour is normal.)

Did you even read his post? did you read what the child said?are you really just going to ignore that? if you know so much about schizophrenia you know there are many types of symptoms in which the disease can manifest itself...are you insane to tell me that it is normal for a child to say the things she said?

She is having, Hallucinations both auditory and visual, she is Delusional and believes she is being controlled by outside forces... jesus christ, why would you even risk letting this go any further. OP needs to have some balls and stop relying on some paranormal excuse and get her to a doctor first and then try anything else.

You people act as if going to a psychologist will make it so that they take her away, lock her up and force feed her pills to keep her dumb, The doctor can only recommend stuff you choose to either accept it or decline it.

Yes that makes sense you teach the child to socialize by taking her away from society, you are being the worst adviser in the whole thread.

Of course children need love, but love cannot cure physical problems, you first need to make sure is not physical once you know then you try to do everything else you think might help.

You have certainly gotten a lot of advice from people. Some of it good, some not so much. The advice about covering the mirror is sound. Mirrors definately are a doorway into the spirit world. It is because children are so pure and innocent that they are able to see into and experience the spirit world more then adults. Demons like to prey upon that. She is not crazy and doesn't need a shrink. Demons love to cause death and harm which is why I am so certain that they are what are speaking to her. If she doesn't have a concept of death then where else would she get this kind of thing from? There are people out there who simply do not want to accept the fact of demonic influences on this earth. Satans biggest ploy is to convince people he doesn't exsist. I had some experiences too as a child and my Dad told me I was just dreaming. I knew I wasn't. I am a christian and I know these kind of things are real. I also know from experience that the name of Jesus is very powerful as well as the blood of Jesus. Music that praises God and Jesus are very helpful and demons can't stand it. You may want to tell your little girl the next time these things come to talk to her that she should tell them to go away in Jesus name and see what happens. If I may also suggest that you go to your local christian book store and buy some annointing oil,( you can also purchase this on line if you can't find it at the book store) and annoint the mirror and your doors and windows with it. Simply say in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit I command any evil spirits that may be in here to leave. My husband and I have to do this every so often as people can leave behind spiritual residue when they come to visit. Sometimes what we watch on T.V. can effect things as well. This is not just a bunch of religious babel, far from it. It is advice I know for a fact works as I have seen the end results of doing these things personally. In the Bible in the book of Ephesians chapter 6 it talks about not wrestling against flesh and blood but against powers, principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places and this means in the spirit world. It also talks about putting on the whole armor of God so that we can withstand these evil attacks. It is very much worth a try. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by CesarO

This little girl is not behaving odd in any other way. She sounds like a very normal child in all other aspects. (I U2U the OP-ster and have a fair idea of the child, as the father did not contradict me in saying that all other behaviour is normal.)

Did you even read his post? did you read what the child said?are you really just going to ignore that? if you know so much about schizophrenia you know there are many types of symptoms in which the disease can manifest itself...are you insane to tell me that it is normal for a child to say the things she said?

She is having, Hallucinations both auditory and visual, she is Delusional and believes she is being controlled by outside forces... jesus christ, why would you even risk letting this go any further. OP needs to have some balls and stop relying on some paranormal excuse and get her to a doctor first and then try anything else.

You people act as if going to a psychologist will make it so that they take her away, lock her up and force feed her pills to keep her dumb, The doctor can only recommend stuff you choose to either accept it or decline it.

Yes that makes sense you teach the child to socialize by taking her away from society, you are being the worst adviser in the whole thread.

Of course children need love, but love cannot cure physical problems, you first need to make sure is not physical once you know then you try to do everything else you think might help.

wooow! Please take a chill-pill, you sound extremely angry. What I said is that she does not behave oddly in any OTHER way. Her interaction with these beings are the only odd behaviour.

I am not at all afriad of counselling, psychiatry, psycology or any other. I am seeing a psycologist to help me digest the very painful events that happened in my childhood and it is a process that I will recomend for any person wanting to heal. (Granted, they cant do magic, and God helps those that help themselves.). I find Jung fascinating. So, no stigma at all attached.

Stay cool, man. You are flaming yourself with anger.

I express what i feel, and it makes me angry when i see someone who might be hurting someone else even if they aren't trying too. I simply want to help and i want to help the OP because he is in a situation (If its real) that none of us would want to be stuck in.

Clearly we are approaching the problem differently, we are both jumping to conclusions

Me: Physical
You: Spiritual

I believe it is first easier to deal with physical symptoms since they are the easiest to treat, if the problem is spiritual then that takes more effort and energy while if its a physical or even both its best to be sure and you can diagnose a physical condition easier.

i am not that angry but I'm trying to get my point across because it seems of urgent matter to address it quickly and not let it escalate.

Interesting story. You and your wife should take turns sleeping with her a few nights. Then you maybe able to see what is going on in her room.

reply to post by CesarO


So let me get this straight. You believe that this little girl is suddenly displaying signs of schizophrenia, which the OP has not mentioned as running in the family at all, just a few months after moving to a home where known sex offenders and practitioners of witchcraft or perhaps satanism resided and committed offenses thereof. Yes? That's rational to you?

Buddy, go lie down before you hurt yourself. No one is going to take your advice when you're hysterical. Just chill.

There are people working with this family now so things will be fine. But understand that one symptom does not a disease make. The little girl functions normally in every way. Her added psychic sensitivity/abilities do not mean she's mentally ill. It means that she can see what's there.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by CesarO

 

So let me get this straight. You believe that this little girl is suddenly displaying signs of schizophrenia, which the OP has not mentioned as running in the family at all, just a few months after moving to a home where known sex offenders and practitioners of witchcraft or perhaps satanism resided and committed offenses thereof. Yes? That's rational to you?

Buddy, go lie down before you hurt yourself. No one is going to take your advice when you're hysterical. Just chill.

There are people working with this family now so things will be fine. But understand that one symptom does not a disease make. The little girl functions normally in every way. Her added psychic sensitivity/abilities do not mean she's mentally ill. It means that she can see what's there.

Thank you for that, Cosmic Egg. You keep right on hatching all over this site and we will all have chocolate easter egg all over our faces to enjoy licking off! Yum!!

I agree, the change in adress seems to be linked here to the event.

Cesar O, that in your opion it is easier to approach this difficult experience from an (easy) medical/physical point does not justify a medical approach. It simply makes it the easy way (not) out and may cause complications and have implications that can cause this little family additional problems. An easy approach is not necesarrily the correct approach. Not saying that it is not a worthy consideration, but degree of difficulty is not ideal to base a solution on. Rather, effectiveness of a soltion is worth more merit than ease.

The father and mother will ultimately make the right decision for them, as above all, they know their little girl best.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by CesarO

 

So let me get this straight. You believe that this little girl is suddenly displaying signs of schizophrenia, which the OP has not mentioned as running in the family at all, just a few months after moving to a home where known sex offenders and practitioners of witchcraft or perhaps satanism resided and committed offenses thereof. Yes? That's rational to you?

Buddy, go lie down before you hurt yourself. No one is going to take your advice when you're hysterical. Just chill.

There are people working with this family now so things will be fine. But understand that one symptom does not a disease make. The little girl functions normally in every way. Her added psychic sensitivity/abilities do not mean she's mentally ill. It means that she can see what's there.

You know what, you are right it makes more sense that an evil spirit or ghost from another dimension that died a long time ago decided to stick around in a house to scare whoever lives there or better yet attempt to convince a little girl to murder her parents i am being completely irrational for attempting to suggest to maybe look into a disease that affects millions of people worldwide that we know exist and we can treat.

One symptom does not make a disease eh? yeah i'm sure she functions fine except when she does not want to talk about the spirits telling her to murder her parents and that they are going to bleed or better yet to not act towards them of they will murder her. That seems pretty normal yeah, whats with you people and being afraid of medicine.

And now schizophrenia = Psychic/abilities, man you should go to the asylums and tell them, they have been locking up all our psychics, no wonder we don't see many of them around.

Do you guys every disconnect for a second and read what you are posting, anyone who attempts to say that they know what is wrong with her is ignorant. Before you try to do anything you need to understand what is happening once you do then you try to find a solution that better suites the problem. Most of you are attempting to lead the OP into doing things without thinking.


And Unlimited you are twisting up or maybe unconsciously misinterpreting what easy means. Medical symptoms will always be the easiest to interpret and diagnose since we are in the physical world.

"The father and mother will ultimately make the right decision for them, as above all, they know their little girl best."
Are you posting from earth? because where i live parents don't get a manual for making right decisions, if they did they would not be here asking for help/suggestions.

reply to post by CesarO


Did you read the posts that the OP has made with regards to the previous residents of the house? What makes you think they are demons or that they are at all dead? You jump to conclusions - or then you're just manufacturing stuff to suit your own ideas on this. Please read first and then comment.

reply to post by 2NDAR


get out of that house or have it exorcised

Hi,
I'm dealing with such things for years (from time to time) and except what was said before I wish to tell you one more importand detail. Get a rid of cursed stuff. It can be anything - statue, indian bracelet, picture, some say that even a doll. Maybe you will need to pray to find it. Even Hawaiian flowers are dedicated to their island false gods. I was told that this stuff gives demons right to enter our life.

here I've quickly found some info in english:
(sorry, you'll need to turn off speakers. That music could make you insane in couple of minutes )

www.demonbuster.com...
and main page:
www.demonbuster.com...

I feel sorry for children burdened with sins of parents. Sad to say it happens frequently. When child is targeted there's usually something occult in family past so it didn't surprized me. Tabula rasa is a myth. Your wife should call for remission and help from above more than you. Because it works more in way:
Mother ---> daughter. Father ---> son.
If this is the case, leaving house may not help.
Maybe the person which will need to pray at the end is your daughter. Teach her and don't hide anything importand from her. I believe by age of 7 it's ok. Bend the twig bend the tree. Anyway...
Jah is almighty. Asking Him in the name of Jesus is the way.

reply to post by 2NDAR

Most certainly is alarming. Especially the telling your daughter to kill. Thats how you know where these things are coming from. They didn't say to bake a cake. I'm not sure the mirror matters, it's on the back of the bedroom door? They are appearing thru the door and the mirror is just there. I wouldn't recommend trying to study it with cameras either. Their focus is on a most vulnerable member of your family, your young daughter. It is an assault that will continue and slowly drive her to distraction if some steps are not taken to begin reversing it.

She probably doesn't get much sleep and is being subjected to horrific visions of "a lot of blood"? Of murder or patricide? Thats horrifying. Its like letting your daughter go next door and watch slasher movies with a serial killer. You would want to stop that in a heartbeat right? The ongoing effort here is to slowly, over time, mold your daughters mind into theirs. The way a DI does this with a recruit at boot camp. To break down the resistance to the will of the "drill Instructor" and then build it into something else. Endless taunts and threats coupled with sleep deprivation are the preferred method. She is literally hearing voices and they are telling her to harm others.
Not just telling her but in fact badgering, goading, pleading and threatening her into taking some action in order to get_ it_ to_ stop.

There are way to many cases on record where people describe this very same scenario playing out in their heads for me to go into here. Some communicate with it them, (to their peril), others resist at all costs but lead miserable lives. These things don't sleep or rest or need food . Their current "assignment" for whatever reason, is your family.

Think it started because you moved into this particular house? Thats easy to tell. Go on vacation, sleep else wheres for a week; see if it fades. Have her sleep with you and observe whether it changes. Maybe her room is focus or portal or whatever. Maybe someone in your family recently dabbled with ouija or tarrot or innocent seeming games? Maybe last owner or tenant in house can be reached? Police reports will tell you if anything "happened" there like murder or deaths in the house.

Thats a start. Then hear this. They it told your daughter to not hold up a cross or call on Jesus to help because they are the ones threatened by any sort of divine spiritual intervention. Interesting that you yourself claim that you are not "religious" but suggested that as an approach. If any prayer or "holding up crosses" is to be done, don't let her do something like that by herself. Family should be together with someone who is experienced in these matters.I don't mean your local minister. And she says they already told her they will kill if someone does that. If you are not comfortable with that idea than perhaps you know someone who is? Or move out but you aren't sure yet if it is attached to your house or your family?

I don't know these answers either and am just trying to open your mind to the threat and maybe some ideas about how you should begin to address the problem. Generally, these things don't go away on their own, you will be unable to go back to not being aware of this and will hopefully take some action besides medication or hanging crosses around. I'm sure people here have given you some ideas about this. Welcome to the spirit world. You may have not given it much thought before now, here is your wake up call.

reply to post by 2NDAR


I am sorry to hear about your daughter and family suffering from this. I haven't read all of the replies and I hope I am not being repetitive as to others suggestions. What provoked me to finally reply was the thing about "swamp and witchcraft", up until that, I really didn't have anything click as to why these things would be happening.

First off, it sounds like your family is suffering from demonic oppression with your daughter as the focus. The previous occupants, being into witchcraft, may very well have opened a portal to whatever entities that may want to come thru can!!

I believe you and your family are in danger and things will only get worse if you do not seek out help. By that, I do not mean taking your daughter to a doctor!!!!!!!! Science does not recognize things of the spiritual or unknown and you will be sentencing your little girl to years of torture and possibly have her institutionalized!

Also, DO NOT TRY TO COMMUNICATE with these entities!! Removing the mirror may slow them down, but you must remember that anything YOU do, may make the entities angry and escalate their attacks on your family. As far as getting a priest................I am on the fence on that one. 99.9% of them are only capable of blessing the house and that will do absolutely nothing but aggravate the entities if in fact they are of demonic origin!!

There is a TV show on the travel channel called The Deadfiles, and it has a medium on it who's name is Amy Allen. I am not a big believer in MOST mediums, but this woman claims she sees dead people and can talk to them and after watching the show I am a BELIEVER in her abilities!

I did some digging and found a phone number for the production company that makes the show and found this phone number. 310-839-9900. The company is Painless Productions in Los Angeles.

I would highly suggest that you call them immediately on Monday and at the least let them know you fear for your daughter and families safety and that they can get you in touch with Amy!

I wish you the best my friend and pray that God watches over you and your family. I wish I could be of more help, and if you need to contact me feel free! I would actually like to hear about what happens going forward.

I do not have permission to send private messages, so had to post on board.

It's good news that with a previous tenant named 'Swamp' that the house isn't attracting fish men. At least the entities appear in human form.

One has to wonder about the intelligence levels of ghosts and demons. Do they really expect a three year old to go running round the house brandishing a carving knife a la Psycho?

reply to post by 2NDAR


Hey there 2NDAR and welcome to ATS,

I have not been on ATS as often as I would like due to computer problems so please forgive me for being late to the party. I received a u2u from JulieWashington who provided me with a link to your thread and asked if I might take a look and maybe be able to offer a little help/advice etc so here I am. (better late than never)

I have read your OP with great interest but I have to confess that I have only skimmed through the other pages so please excuse me if I am repeating things you may already have been told. You should be aware that I have lot's of experience both from the psychological perspective (as a therapist) and the paranormal perspective (as an experiencer / paranormal investigator) ... having had a lifetime of personal experience with the paranormal (I was 3yrs old when I saw my first manifestation of spirit - same age as your daughter) and have been called on to help deal with numerous cases since I founded W.I.S.P.S (Woodwytch Investigations of Supernatural & Paranormal Source) that I would believe were the result of an active imagination had I not been present to see and experience for myself firsthand ... but with all that said I always approach things of this nature from a relatively skeptical viewpoint until all logical explanations have been eliminated ... only then can we accept something as paranormal and act accordingly.



After reading your OP I felt there were 3 possible explanations and each of them revealed classic pointers;

1/ The whole thing was an exercise in creative writing ... in which case you qualified in all the required elements for the 'horror genre' and the 'story' was as detailed as any Hollywood psychological horror (like 'The Others' ... 'Hide & Seek' ... 'Poltergeist' ... 'Paranormal Activity' etc). But I dismissed this idea almost as soon as it crossed my mind ... when you've been a member of ATS for a while you start to recognize the attention seekers and I don't think you are one of them.


2/ A potential case for Childhood Schitzophrenia ... wearing my 'therapist hat' I have to say that 'the voices' telling your daughter to do bad things are the most prolific symptom of the condition and it would be remiss of you not to get your daughter checked-out ... if only so the possibility can be dismissed. I know the (unnecessary) stigma attached to such things but as a caring parent you would never forgive yourself if you allowed such a condition to go undiagnozed ... and more importantly untreated for fear of how it might look to other people. Your daughters health is (or should be) paramount ... and whilst this may be nothing it should definately be checked A.S.A.P.

3/ Last but certainly not least Paranormal Activity ... wearing my 'investigator hat' my first piece of advice to you is remove the mirror ... and could I just ask if the mirror was facing a window or another door ? My second piece of advice is to arm yourself with as much information concerning the history of your house ... the people who have lived there ... and what was there before your house by researching (public libraries are always a good place to start).


Ok, visitors have just turned up unexpectedly so I have to go now but I look forward to your your reply and I'll get back to you with some more indepth suggestions.

Woody

I would say ANYONE coming and claiming they know 100% what the cause of this strictly from the written/typed story without ever having talked to this child let alone seen her, listened to her words, read what she has written or seen what she has drawn is a complete fool.

No one willingly listens to a fool when it is apparent the fool is a fool. So I guess that makes my post unnecessary as well. Hmm. My point is the OP is obviously smart enough to take most of these suggestions with a grain of salt, and is most likely not going rush out and do any exorcisms or lobotomies.

Imagine you are the OP, you have some people screaming at you to take your kid to get medical check up and Schizo meds, telling you the witchcraft people are stupid.

You have the witchcraft people telling you politely that it is most likely some kind of spiritual event and providing many safe, non harmful, non invasive ways to try and fix it, warning that meds will make your daughter a zombie.

Then you have a few people telling you to invoke Jesus Christs name and the demons you have present will vanish. Probably.

I would be kind of confused, and it would be pretty unclear who was right and who wasn't. I probably wouldn't believe anyone.

reply to post by woodwytch


Thanks for your professional opinions and suggestions for 2DNAR, it was starting to get a little out of control here with very "heated" opinions and responses.

I knew you would come in a calm things down and give some clear direction for the OP, as a trusted advisor on ATS.

When you have time I hope you will be able to read more of the OP's comments as there has been a move to a new house, his wife is having night terrors and possibly seeing/sensing something in the home. So there is a little more information added in the later posts. I wasn't sure if this signaled a connection to the mother, a connection to the house or both. There appears to be a past history of witchcraft in the house, which is why I immediately thought to contact you.

Thanks, again.

Sorry about the computer situation

Thank you everybody who has offered advice on this situation. I have been communicating with a few of you through u2u messaging, so it won't surprise some of you to learn that I had a friend of mine who just recently came back from Afghanistan. He claimed to have experienced similar things when he was a child, and as he grew older learned to remove them. After weighing my options, I decided to give him a shot because it was something that could be done without her present. I won't go into detail about what exactly he did at the moment because it's late and I'm exhausted. My daughter did make the comment a couple hours ago that the bad guys were gone. So, hopefully that holds true for the remainder of our time in this house. If anyone is interested in the details of what was done, I have no problem sharing them. I would just prefer to wait until I get home from work tomorrow because it's going to be long.

There is no scientific evidence for ghosts, demons or other such "paranormal" stuff. On the other hand, mental illness certainly exists. Just sayin' .

reply to post by 2NDAR


From the sound of things you seemed to have solved your problem but I would like say I thought the members CesarO and Woodwytch offer some good advice.