The Moon Is Upsidedown Tonight ! Las Vegas, Nevada

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Uncinus

 

Your wrong again. I have stellarium . Your wrong again. Plus thats not a 10 degree angle. wrong wrong again.

Well, it's 9.5 degrees, close enough.

Rather than shouting it's wrong why don't you tell me what angle it is?

If you have Stellarium, then why don't you show how the photos differ from the mathematical simulation?

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Uncinus

 

Your wrong again. I have stellarium . Your wrong again. Plus thats not a 10 degree angle. wrong wrong again.

Cherub --

Uncinus already explained that he rounded 9.5° up to 10°....

...Come to think of it, weren't you the one who posted this [underline emphasis mine]

Originally posted by CherubBaby
This is the second night the moon has had the light at the bottom. The equatorial moon as it's called or boat moon, etc. The crazy thing also is that it was normal ( the crescent almost staraight up and down 6 hours ago. )
Now it's flipped 90 degrees Anyone else seeing this? Picture is in my next post below...

Originally posted by CherubBaby
I just took this pic 10 minutes ago. I think that speaks for itself. It was 12:55 am pst.

You say it had tilted 90°, but the picture you posted obviously is NOT 90°, but probably closer to 75°...

wrong wrong again.

Tip for Stellarium: use the "scale moon" option, as it makes the moon easier to see when zoomed out a bit:



And to really see the effect, find the config.ini file for Stellarium, and change the line

moon_scale = 4

to

moon_scale = 32

in OSX it's in
$HOME/Library/Application Support/Stellarium

Just curious does anyone know how many degrees the moon can move westward from a fixed point several days earlier? How many degrees a day would be the norm?

reply to post by CherubBaby


It moves eastward with respect to the stars, not westward. The average rate is 13.2 degrees a day. That's only an average though and it can differ from that depending on how far it is from perigee/apogee.

reply to post by ngchunter


Let me rephrase the question. Lets say on friday night the moon sets directly between west and east on the compass. the next night it sets more to the west i.e. 40 degrees east of west and the next night 35 degrees east of west. Slowly working more westward each night as it sets. What in reality would be a normal movement towards the west each night. Hypothetically. Thx Not a trick question BTW

reply to post by CherubBaby

There are two points "directly between" west and east. They are north and south. The Moon never sets in north or south.

The azimuth of the setting Moon various quite a lot during a month, as much as 7º from one night to the next. It varies with the phase.
www.timeanddate.com...

reply to post by CherubBaby


I just made this movie in Stellarium which kind of illustrates that, although I intended to illustrate how much the moon tilts during a transit of the sky.


(moon show 32x normal size)

Just eyeballing it, it looks like it goes from WSW to NW and back over 28 days, so around 60 degrees, or 30 degrees in 14 days, or about 2 degrees a day - but it's going to be simple harmonic motion, so will move the most in the middle of the the movement, probably 5 or so degrees a day.

reply to post by Phage


Thank you, Star to you. I appreciate the answer.

reply to post by Uncinus


Thanks for your information. star!

lol the moon doesn't flip, in fact it doesn't even spin. but i tell you what would make it appear so, in the 6 hours from the time you saw that moon guess what our planet was doing ???? spinning while the moon orbits around it..... getting the picture yet? video games are ruining ya'lls minds man go outside once in a while and watch the sky :/

reply to post by ZeroUnlmtd


Sorry, but just to clarify:

....in fact it doesn't even spin....

Referring to the Moon, is this an assertion that it does not rotate about its axis? Because, that would be an incorrect statement.

If merely referring to the orientation as viewed from here on Earth, then it does change, according to many factors of course, as have been explained countless times. Adding to the confusion, it seems, is the normal orbital seasonal variances (Earth's "tilt" relative to the viewer's location) and the phases and sunlit portions seen on the Moon, as well during its orbits.

Don't you contributers believe there is a chance things are changing at times with the moons behavior?

Originally posted by CherubBaby
Don't you contributers believe there is a chance things are changing at times with the moons behavior?

But there does not appear to be. The moon is exactly where it should be.

Consider there's a laser reflector on the moon. It's capable of measuring the distance to the Moon to an accuracy measured in inches.

science.nasa.gov...

It has not shown any unexpected movements (The moon is actually moving away from us at about an inch and a half per year - something that would not be visible to the naked eye for tens of thousands of years - and then only in comparison to historic records)

Plus, of course, there are millions of amateur astronomers out there. None of them have noticed anything.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
Don't you contributers believe there is a chance things are changing at times with the moons behavior?

Had anything changed that was noticeable, don't you think we'd have noticed?

Originally posted by CherubBaby
Don't you contributers believe there is a chance things are changing at times with the moons behavior?

It depends on what you mean by "behavior." If you mean that it is not rising, setting, orbiting, or going through the proper phases as it should, then the answer is no. I do not believe it is changing at times...The chances are much better for things to be changing with the observer and with the weather and observation conditions...There are times when my eyesight is ok...later in the day, it stinks...There are times when I can recall a lot of information on demand...then there are times I suffer from the dread CRS syndrome...But like everyone else here, you can bet your bottom dollar, if I ever, ever see something out of the ordinary, I will put it up for all the world to see, just as you did...and if anyone was able to demonstrate with evidence all was well and normal, I would be grateful...

reply to post by jeichelberg


You miss the point I think. People have a right to decide for themselves what they believe and when they decide to change. Thats not anyone elses decision. Its the persons decision. I could sit here and tell somebody they need to do this and believe that and why would I even do such a thing? Its out of control behavior. Are we here to insist everyone think and believe a certain way? Have you ever seen me tell someone here that they need to believe me on any subject.? No and you wont. Because its not my place to force my beliefs on someone.

reply to post by CherubBaby


Nobody is telling you what to believe. They are pointing you at facts which you can verify for yourself.

Check it out. The moon will be exactly where it is supposed to be. You can verify this yourself.

reply to post by CherubBaby


Well, there are some things a person can decide to change...there are some things outside of individual control...when it comes to the senses and age, these things are typically outside of individual control as a person gets older...not to say there is not exercises or dietary plans to help, but as a person gets older, the senses degrade...it is a fact of life...there are exceptions of course...

reply to post by jeichelberg


What do you mean by your statement below?

Well, there are some things a person can decide to change...there are some things outside of individual control...when it comes to the senses and age, these things are typically outside of individual control as a person gets older...not to say there is not exercises or dietary plans to help, but as a person gets older, the senses degrade...it is a fact of life...there are exceptions of course...

Now are your telling me what shape my health is in? Are you implying that my age is such that my ability to think and reason is impacted?