Massive Chemtrail Attack: Midwest

reply to post by Witness2008


reply to post by Essan

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Do you guys have some type of alarm on your phones and computers that alert you to talk of chemtrails on forums?

Your dedication to "debunking" this subject is impressive



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It's their duty to rush in and explain it all away as regular contrails and to condemn us for not knowing our meteorology. They are sweet enough to include many handy links to show us how they are right. We aren't smart enough to know what that stuff is in the sky that doesn't go away like a contrail does, and that didn't start appearing until 10-15 years ago. They are here to help us and they aren't paid to disinfo a thread.

Paid gov't shill here...I get paid to go on a little trafficked web-site and monitor chemtrail threads and debunk them with my first hand knowledge and college degrees having to do directly with the subject matter; OH WAIT, nevermind, I paid for that education with my own money and I do not get paid to try and explain atmospheric science and aircraft systems to people on the interwebs (why am I wasting my time?). And first-hand experience is invaluable. Anyone can watch a youtube video and be ZOMG expertz on chemtrails (contrails), but as soon as someone shows up with facts and experience, everyone is so quick to play the shill card...
It is hilarious that people are more likely to believe pseudo-science and youtubers, than people who actually know what they are talking about.

Originally posted by TexasTea
reply to post by Witness2008

 

reply to post by Essan

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Do you guys have some type of alarm on your phones and computers that alert you to talk of chemtrails on forums?

Your dedication to "debunking" this subject is impressive



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It's their duty to rush in and explain it all away as regular contrails and to condemn us for not knowing our meteorology. They are sweet enough to include many handy links to show us how they are right. We aren't smart enough to know what that stuff is in the sky that doesn't go away like a contrail does, and that didn't start appearing until 10-15 years ago. They are here to help us and they aren't paid to disinfo a thread.

I know thats a nice way to try to divert away from facts, and science, but its a red herring. You would not be mentioning this is we were posting for chemtrails. In fact you would probably be cheering someone who was posting this much in favor of the chemtrails religion.

For some people, debunking false ideas is a hobby, and thats their right. If you think someone is breaking forum rules, take it to the moderators. Usually its the chemtrailers however who break forum rulers and get posts deleted thouigh.

But the best thing to do is show where someone is factually incorrect. Thats the best way to combat an argument that you disagree with, rather than whining about how much your opponents post. Its quite easy to show where then chemtrailers are often wrong.

Originally posted by TexasTea
It's their duty to rush in and explain it all away as regular contrails and to condemn us for not knowing our meteorology. They are sweet enough to include many handy links to show us how they are right. We aren't smart enough to know what that stuff is in the sky that doesn't go away like a contrail does, and that didn't start appearing until 10-15 years ago.

Except for those pesky bombers in WW2 of course - if it wasn't for them screwing with English weather and making targets of themselves for German anti-aircraft and fighters with contrail you'd have it in the bag....

They are here to help us and they aren't paid to disinfo a thread.

Not me - I'm here because I am an aviation professional and I resent people lie you telling lies about me and my colleagues.

here's a little undercover interview for you.

i know you debunkers are all "yeah well it's youtube and anybody could have staged that."

and a little of this...
[url=http://]http://www.weathermodification.com/cloud-seeding-aerial.php

forgot to add this
www.weathermodification.com...

reply to post by Shillbillyjim


Why are people who know the subject matter very well called debunkers?

I'm not a debunker, I'm a guy who has worked for an airline for 20+ years. That doesn't make me a debunker, it makes me knowledgeable in my field.

If one of you gets sick and goes to the hospital do you want the person who thinks he knows medicine because he learned about it on the internet, or the person who has been practicing in real life for 20 years to try and help you?

reply to post by dplum517

Unfortunate for you .....commercial jets paths do not intersect to create a 5-10 pointed star shape

Do you mean like this...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fc45b3aa2577.jpg[/atsimg]

you were saying?

WOW some of you are very naive to think that chemtrails do not exist. I used to work at Bournemouth airport in England, where chemtrails are frequent. I have seen the planes, with no destination or purpose for flying, take off fly around for 30 minutes and return.

They were all kept in a seperate hanger and the pilots were not part of any airline although they all wore the same uniform. These were not privatly owned planes.
When they were brought out of the hanger they would be filled with TWO substances, one obviously fuel, and another that was filled in to cylinders connected to the tubes with the spray nozzles, which could be clearly seen from the staff lunch room.

Eventually i discovered that these were known as 'dispersant planes'

I never really thought anymore of it, untill a couple of years after i stopped working there and moved to Australia. It was apparent to me that they were alot less 'dispersant planes' due to the lack of the white trails, now known as 'Chemtrails', that always followed a 'dispersant plane' at home. And these white trails were NOT contrails, it is very easy to tell the difference between a contrail and a trail left by a 'dispersnat plane'. The contrail is almost like a constant few metres of white that follows behind the plane, but it disapears so quickly it rarely leaves a longer line.

A chemtrail however is left from one horizon to the other and stays there all day slowly disapating and spreading.

Anyway that is when i started to research 'Dispersant planes' and what they are used for.

Wo behold these planes are used to disperse chemicals, they were used to spray the Gulf of Mexico when the oil spill happened. And they are being used all over the world to spray cities, where there are obviously no oil spills and no crops to spray.

So that leaves the question 'What or who are they spraying, and why?' I think once you are aware of the corruptions of the people at power in our world, it doesnt take a genius to answer the question.

Thank you for your time, Namaste x

I always like the rational of, they are all crazy,
so I am going to march in and give those people
an education.

Now we know why they lock the doors in mental facility's.
Its to keep the experienced, I am better then you ones out.

Just because you worked for an airline for 20 years doesn't mean this doesn't exist. The airline you worked for may not have any part in weather modification at all.

reply to post by TexasTea

We aren't smart enough to know what that stuff is in the sky that doesn't go away like a contrail does, and that didn't start appearing until 10-15 years ago. They are here to help us and they aren't paid to disinfo a thread.

How long does a contrail last?

How long does a cirrus cloud last?

I've been observing persistent contrails for around 40 years

Originally posted by mazzle
WOW some of you are very naive to think that chemtrails do not exist. I used to work at Bournemouth airport in England, where chemtrails are frequent. I have seen the planes, with no destination or purpose for flying, take off fly around for 30 minutes and return.

They were all kept in a seperate hanger and the pilots were not part of any airline although they all wore the same uniform. These were not privatly owned planes.
When they were brought out of the hanger they would be filled with TWO substances, one obviously fuel, and another that was filled in to cylinders connected to the tubes with the spray nozzles, which could be clearly seen from the staff lunch room.

Eventually i discovered that these were known as 'dispersant planes'

I never really thought anymore of it, untill a couple of years after i stopped working there and moved to Australia. It was apparent to me that they were alot less 'dispersant planes' due to the lack of the white trails, now known as 'Chemtrails', that always followed a 'dispersant plane' at home. And these white trails were NOT contrails, it is very easy to tell the difference between a contrail and a trail left by a 'dispersnat plane'. The contrail is almost like a constant few metres of white that follows behind the plane, but it disapears so quickly it rarely leaves a longer line.

A chemtrail however is left from one horizon to the other and stays there all day slowly disapating and spreading.

Anyway that is when i started to research 'Dispersant planes' and what they are used for.

Wo behold these planes are used to disperse chemicals, they were used to spray the Gulf of Mexico when the oil spill happened. And they are being used all over the world to spray cities, where there are obviously no oil spills and no crops to spray.

So that leaves the question 'What or who are they spraying, and why?' I think once you are aware of the corruptions of the people at power in our world, it doesnt take a genius to answer the question.

Thank you for your time, Namaste x

edit on 4-11-2011 by mazzle because: spelling error

Thank you for the honest post.

reply to post by mazzle


Sounds like agricultural spraying to me - certainly not very secret, and if you don't actually know any more than that then you really can't conclude that they were "chemtrails" as per the modern hoax.

Since you appeal to having worked at an airport as making you an authority, what did you there?

I was a mechanic for an airline, then a maintenance planner, then a quality assurance engineer, then I worked for a 3rd party maintenance provider and also a civil aviation authority. In that time I have worked on the ramp for a couple of airlines, serviced 3rd party airliners, inspected aircraft for conformity to regulations and occasionally sent materials away to have them tested to ensure they conform to specifications.

I have also overhauled fuel system components such as pumps, nozzles, regulators, control units.

I've spent a lot of time in Australia, and there are plenty of contrails there too - just look up "Australia chemtrails"

Originally posted by brokedown
reply to post by Witness2008

 

Witness2008 has identified a real issue when it comes to all Chemtrail threads.

The debunker’s dedication is admirable.

One debunker has been posting a reply about every thirty minutes for 14 hours straight, another for 10 hours straight. Of course never anything new just the same old stuff about how the Chemtrails believer is delusional. You know I am right , your are wrong, but their dedication is to be admired.

For the life of me I cannot understand why they care so much.

So what if some of us believe that Chemtrails are occurring, I mean seriously why does it bother them so badly.

I find it very strange behavior to stay on the internet 10 to 14 hours straight trying to convince others that they are incorrect.

If you find that you do not believe that Chemtrails are occurring, well that just fine, say your piece, present your argument ( without condescending personal attacks ) and move on, that is how Normal people respond.

However, when you are blogging 10 to 14 hours straight, just repeating yourself, this behavior becomes outside the Norm, making it abnormal behavior.

How about it guys, can someone explain to me Why ?

I've asked that same question. Why is it so important for them? I read one in this thread that said it's so a bunch of people won't come and get disillusioned .wth? Another one from another thread said it's because people are making money off of chemtrail videos and he just can't stand it and he's a champion of the people; debunking these filthy lies about contrails! Who would post to dubunk this every half hour for 10 - 14 hours? that's a trip.

reply to post by TexasTea


No - it's because you are spreading lies about me and my colleagues, and I don't have to sit back and let you do it without calling you on your rubbish.

Originally posted by Shillbillyjim
forgot to add this
www.weathermodification.com...

As far as I know, no one here has ever denied that cloud seeding occurs

However your average "chemmie" thinks there is something far more nefarious going on!

reply to post by mazzle

Wo behold these planes are used to disperse chemicals, they were used to spray the Gulf of Mexico when the oil spill happened.

Do you have a link for this info?

second

Originally posted by Shillbillyjim
Just because you worked for an airline for 20 years doesn't mean this doesn't exist. The airline you worked for may not have any part in weather modification at all.

Yes it does actually. I'm just leaving work so can't give a long response but suffice it to say that all airlines at a said airport are fed the same fuel, are subject to the same regulations (which is set by the government) and although there are a few differences in proceedures most end up doing the same thing. Get to airport, offload passengers, baggage, cargo, empty catering dollies and clean her up. Then, refuel airplane, reload cargo, bags, people, then take off to next destination. All of these things are done under a microscope, even people who are cleaning the seats have to go through a metal detector and have a pat down in some cases. The colours on the plane may change, and the service offered may be better or worse, but all of them have to follow the same guidelines and rules, and not one single one of those guidlines or rules would allow chemicals to be secretly added to any part of a commercial airline. Geese even pet cages get xrayed to see if there is anything hiding in them even though you can just look and see. Security to the point of obsurdness. Yet somehow you guys think that you can sneak 1000's of litres of weather changing liquid in.

Boggles the mind.

reply to post by mazzle


Sorry, but I am calling "bull" on this story....because, it is a "story" only.

You wrote:

I have seen the planes, with no destination or purpose for flying, take off fly around for 30 minutes and return.

BUT then, later on, this:

A chemtrail however is left from one horizon to the other and stays there all day slowly disapating and spreading.

From "one horizon to the other" encompasses at LEAST 300 miles....more, actually.

You say you saw "planes, with no destination or purpose" ..."take off fly around ro 30 minutes and return".

Did you not? Now, look at those two statements, next to each other....


Does anyone else see the problem, yet? A commercial jet moves at about 6 to 8 miles per minute. (Use your calculator....based on speeds between 360 to 480 miles per hour).

To travel, only ONE way across the sky from, as you said, "one horizon to the other" would take minimum of 300 miles, divided by biggest number (8 minutes) = 37.5 minutes!! Use the 6-minute figure, and it goes up to 50 minutes!

See, when yo make u a story, and try to lie.....you will get caught out. This is the state of affairs of every "chem"trail, every time.

Of course, the facts and evidence of CONTRAILS are base don science, facts and evidence.
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More of the dissembling, perhaps??:

They were all kept in a seperate hanger and the pilots were not part of any airline although they all wore the same uniform. These were not privatly owned planes.

LOL!!! Only the sort of nonsense that comes from the imagination of a storyteller.....otherwise known as a lie.


More lies.....:

When they were brought out of the hanger they would be filled with TWO substances, one obviously fuel, and another that was filled in to cylinders connected to the tubes with the spray nozzles, which could be clearly seen from the staff lunch room.