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Originally posted by wagnificent
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by wagnificent
More of the "you're either with us or against us" rhetoric. Your argument is essentially "you can't defeat a tyranny without first bonding with it".
Thanks, but no thanks. I don't have to hug a snake to know that it's going to bite me if I give it a chance.
I can just look at it, see that it's a snake, and realize that snakes bite people.
You have taken my words out of context, much like many of the other people on here who have extracted quotes and misinterpreted them to make their own point. It must be difficult to knock down a straw man, Leonidas.
You point your finger at me and accuse me of creating a dichotomy, then your snake metaphor makes your post reek of irony. No argument I can provide is likely to change your view, so I hope you can find peace on your island.
Have you ever worked retail on Black Friday? Those shoppers have no clue about current events.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
Occupy Black Friday
Originally posted by definity
I agree if any of us was given a job where we could earn millions how many would say no...
Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl
The government/politicians are in the back pocket of the corporations & banks.
You don't target the puppet, you target the puppet master....
The organ grinder and not the monkey.
Once the hold has been released, then you can rehabilitate the monkey.
Originally posted by definity
reply to post by nenothtu
yeah but you are one of the 1% that would turn a opertunity like that down, if the world was more like you we wouldnt be in this situation to begin with!
Originally posted by blupblup
Many, many politicians get into politics with absolutely the right idea and to try and affect change.... sadly, it just doesn't happen.
For too long lobbyists, corporations and big business through funding and investments have literally owned politics... for this to stop, you must attack the source, not the infected.
If you vote out the career politicians, and send a clear message that we do NOT want politicians representing the best interests of those who "buy" their votes, then the "puppet masters" have no strings to pull.
Well you would need to get rid of 99% of them... and that just would not happen.
"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!"
I will not back down.
Its all or none.
No more compromises.
No more speeches.
....
Democrats and 'OWS' declared war. We were only fighting to preserve the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Unity, and Declaration of Independents. But... You wanted regulations, anarchy, and entitlements. You wanted universal healthcare, free education, and the end of capitalism.
No.
We end this like men on the field of ideological hell.
but as soon as they expressed these worries they were asked to leave.
Originally posted by newcovenant
It does not matter that OWS has not got all or any solutions.
If it takes a Village to raise a child how much more to make Democracy work, or a Republic to hum?
You do not need all the answers or any of them. Those answers will come.
People need to vocalize the status quot isn't working for them.
What you want to make SURE YOU DON'T DO, IS REPLACE SOMETHING UNTENABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS WORSE.
To be against that...? You must have a huge vested monetary interest as well as no speck of conscious and no love for your country.
Like I said, they don't have to have the answers - Just get out there and say "change."
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
And YES, to the person who said they hadn't heard anyone bashing the OWS non-supporters....YES, people are calling us all sorts of things. I don't know how you are missing that....
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by jameshawkings
The Lucits Trust does not speak for nor represent this movement and was not our co founder. There were 12 private citizens that started this movement who are independent from any firm in the nation.
Do you care to share who these 12 people are?
This is the first I've heard of OWS being started by 12 people.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Names are not publicized but a diverse group of men and women who range in age from 25 - 40 who are lower middle class!
In late July or Early August I remember attending an outdoor conference at Zuccotti Park with 15 people present (myself included) and discussed and planned what would become this movement! I however cannot take credit for being a Co Founder as my role there during that time is not to be discussed!edit on 4-11-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Yes, it does.
Ever heard the old adage "look before you leap"?
Did I stutter? Look before I leap is not a better way to say this my friend. What I said is something very different but also I think a little lost on you.
DON'T REPLACE SOMETHING UNTENABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS WORSE
And there is no way of knowing that without first knowing what you intend to replace it with.
In ALL of those particulars you are wrong. Dead wrong. But it doesn't matter what you think of me.
Why do you try so hard?
is going down. Hard.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by nenothtu
Yes, it does.
Nah, it doesn't.
Ever heard the old adage "look before you leap"?
Ever hear the old adage..."you don't know what the heck you're talking about?"
Like I don't know rhetoric when I hear it... And The Village reference - went totally over your head.
And...Did I stutter? Look before I leap is not a better way to say this my friend. What I said is something very different but also I think a little lost on you.
DON'T REPLACE SOMETHING UNTENABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS WORSE
And there is no way of knowing that without first knowing what you intend to replace it with.
If I understand this correctly - it is another way to stall and gives banksters time to divest wealth and hide money. Not even all that creative. Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Does anything like "discussion" and "negotiation" ring a bell under that helmet, or do you use a spear?
For most of the rest of us - agreements are arrived at and hammered out by the interested parties, they are not brought along and imposed.
In ALL of those particulars you are wrong. Dead wrong. But it doesn't matter what you think of me.
Well not from where I'm sitting. And wasn't considering "you" per se anyway but NOW that I read I'm thinkin you are against Obama and so are against OWS because you think they are all Obama supporters.
You're not that hard to figure out. I recognize the talking points.
And judging from number of posts - you are also on a mission here to destabilize OWS. And if it
Why do you try so hard?
is going down. Hard.
War kills some and feeds others.