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Originally posted by wagnificent
There has been an obnoxious amount of complaining going on about the occupy movement recently, so I decided to start this thread rather than express my response to these complaints in every one of those threads individually.
Trying to undermine the occupy movement is pointless, especially via ATS. It must be pretty obvious by now that this movement is not going away. Why? Because there are things that need to be settled, and until those things are settled, there will be no business as usual. For many people, surviving everyday life is barely even feasible, much less the possibility of flourishing. Whether you agree that the American Dream is dead or not, many people think it is, and that's enough to get them in the streets for weeks on end.
"In times of desperation, people will believe what they want to believe. And so, we gave them what they wanted to believe. A trick in the form of signal the Resistance thought would win the war. And they were right, it will end this war. Except that it is the Resistance that will be destroyed. Not, Skynet. Our best machines have failed time again to complete a mission. Something was missing. We had to think, radically. And so we made you. We created the perfect infiltration unit. You, Marcus. You did what Skynet has failed to do for so many years. You killed John Connor. Don't fight, Marcus. Remember what you are." ~ Dr. Serena Kogan; "Terminator Salvaton", 2009
"You and me, we've been at war before either of us existed. You tried to kill my mother. You killed my father. But you will not kill me." ~ John Connor; "Terminator Salvaton", 2009
"I am not here to tell you how it ends, I am hear to tell you how it begins." ~ Neo; Matrix; 1999
Originally posted by dolphinfan
The movement is a parody. The folks have no coherent message, are funded and supported by political pressure groups, are made up of every form of low-life in society and loaded with the political fringe.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
The movement is irrelevant. Only the folks who are either living in those cities care about what is going on and in that sense only from the sense of how inconvenient these folks are making it. Regardless, for the past 20 years there has been a substantial trend away from cities - who cares what happens in Oakland - seriously? If the entire city of Oakland burned to the ground, outside of a 50 mile radius, it would be no different than OJ in the bronco for the VAST majority of people. Cities in this country have become so abstracted from life in the rest of the country, that most folks could care less what happens in them.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
Go ahead and get romantic about this and think that it's going to lead to "change". It is irrelevant. These people are irrelevant and this time two years from now folks will be saying "remember that time a couple of years ago when all of those fools where living in the park? What was that all about anyway?"
Originally posted by blupblup
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Your analogy is flawed, because we are talking about government that is designed to be representative...and despite the paranoia, it STILL IS representative.
If you think that then I'm afraid it is you who is naive.
Many, many politicians get into politics with absolutely the right idea and to try and affect change.... sadly, it just doesn't happen.
For too long lobbyists, corporations and big business through funding and investments have literally owned politics... for this to stop, you must attack the source, not the infected.
If you vote out the career politicians, and send a clear message that we do NOT want politicians representing the best interests of those who "buy" their votes, then the "puppet masters" have no strings to pull.
Well you would need to get rid of 99% of them... and that just would not happen.
FIRST you need to sever the ties with business, change the campaign structure and somehow get the politicians to represent the people once again.
Because right now, they only have the interest of big business on their minds.
Again, many of us do not support OWS because we think it should be OTG: "Occupy the Government".
Do it then?
Why moan at other people who are out there actually doing something.
Why not OTG??
A two-pronged attack would be much more effective,
But no, It's easier to moan and point from the sidelines I guess.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by jameshawkings
The Lucits Trust does not speak for nor represent this movement and was not our co founder. There were 12 private citizens that started this movement who are independent from any firm in the nation.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
Names are not publicized but a diverse group of men and women who range in age from 25 - 40 who are lower middle class!
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by beezzer
I want stricter regulations on big banks, because the lack of regulations caused the financial collapse. I can't even comprehend how somebody could oppose that. Allowing corrupt big bankers to continue their practices, without being held accountable, which caused millions of people to lose their homes and jobs, is retarded IMO. If you don't believe that some of the big bankers are corrupt, then you're just uninformed.
Sure, tackling the problem at the government level is a great idea, and I believe that should be taken extremely seriously by the movement. But even if our government is completely purged of corruption, maintaining that "I want a small government so I disagree with them" belief will allow the bankers to continue doing their shady business practices which get them rich and screw over millions.