Soda a silent killer

reply to post by MsAphrodite


yeah thats what i heard from many people who regret drinking carbonated soft drinks "it weakens the bones"

no wonder so many young people have back aches.

Originally posted by ApplesOnFire
reply to post by MsAphrodite

 

yeah thats what i heard from many people who regret drinking carbonated soft drinks "it weakens the bones"

no wonder so many young people have back aches.

Pardon?

Harvard Study (2000)

This is the best reputable study i could find and it was based on teenage children. It showed a link between Soft Drinks and fractures, has nothing in the way of density (ostioperosis), and mainly affected young girls, and did not appear to impact males.

Have you not read the studies about school backpacks and spinal twists?
Or perhaps the study of school chairs and posture?
Or perhaps the study of "at home" furniture ergonomics vs practicality?
(Edit) Or the fact kiddies who read a book on musclular properties think they are qualified to give massages?


The list goes on and on for causes of back pains, some muscular or/and some bone density or/and developmental issues due to "outside factors".

Where is your study/proof of this linkage?

Organics
Ive seen a few questions on "why is organic so expensive??!?!?!"
Heres why (numbers are arbitary, and not factual).
Standard in-organic farmer - Pestacide = 100 bucks a 44 gallon (so will spray his potato field)

In-Organic farmer:
Sprays his fields with potatos (obviously already in it), with his 100 dollar pestacide
His crop loss is at 2%

200kg of Potatos @ 2.98 per kg = $596 (minus the costs & crop loss)

Organic farmer:
Loses the cost of the spray
His crop loss is 60%
200kg of Potatos @ 2.98 per kg = $596 (same as above)
Having 60% Crop loss due to disease & insects, meaing the farmer is looking at 80 kg of viable vegies gets $238.40 at in-organic rates.

Is it better? This is debatable, "Organic" which is not sprayed and uses the standard (non-spliced) vegies and fruits suffer from a larger loss rate than in-organic (hence it costs more), there is also the downstream effects of things like bacteria on the vegies and fruits (depending on what is used as fertilizer).

Genetically Modified Foods:
As far as i am aware there has not been an extended study on GM foods and the impact on the food chain, this is due to the fact that GM is reasonably "new", so anyone who runs around saying "it causes cancer" or some such doom and gloom, you know what elses causes cancer? Modern living (power, cars, breating).

reply to post by ApplesOnFire


Im done with this conversation.

Why? Because I realized that I am arguing with a 12 year old sheep.
I can waste my time elsewhere.

reply to post by Spruk


no evidence to back up my claim that soda and fluoride cause bone cancer/weaken the bones huh?

since it is fox news and mainstream media they added a couple of lies such as "no link between fluoride and cancer" i have a bottle of sodium fluoride and it is rated 3 in health risk

lead is 4

take a look,

www.foxnews.com...

healthfreedoms.org...

Originally posted by ApplesOnFire
reply to post by Spruk

 

no evidence to back up my claim that soda and fluoride cause bone cancer/weaken the bones huh?

since it is fox news and mainstream media they added a couple of lies such as "no link between fluoride and cancer" i have a bottle of sodium fluoride and it is rated 3 in health risk

lead is 4

take a look,

www.foxnews.com...

healthfreedoms.org...

These are not studies.

Health Freedoms is a glorified blog, to which links directly to no clinical or medical studies. There for using them as a souce is moot. Simply because i could post a blog that says "living with a block of weaponized uranium in your back pocket increases your quality of life" doesnt mean its true.

The fox news article is about Fluoride, we are talking about "Soda" or as they are known here "Soft Drinks", unless your claim that fluoride is added to them in which case i will say "where is the medical/clinical study?"

The Fluride debate has been going on for quite some time. I put it akin to the Mobile Phones Cause Cancer studies. Every 12-18 months a new study comes out saying "no, no using mobile phones does NOT cause cancer", then 6-12 months later you read "ZOMG!! Mobile phones cause cancer", rince and repeat since their invention..........

I believe sodium fluoride in vast quantities which you seem to have with you is because :
"The lethal dose for a 70 kg (154 lb) human is estimated at 5–10 g." - Hmmmm, if ingested directly at high doses could kill you perhaps?

Same applies to Chlorine, which is also added to water to kill off microbes.

All of these are clinical facts, and have studies to backup the information.

But why are we discussing florinated water, when the topic (as above) is Carbonated Drinks?

reply to post by Spruk


nope they are crack downs based on studies which have been researched by activists and freedom fighters.... this website is for questioning not just disproving everything

if you dont like it then dont use it.

There are several reasons why organic produce is more expensive, such as: not having subsidies, smaller farmers producing, strict guidelines which prevent certain cost effective production measures (at the cost of inferior products, aka china model), the ability of major corporations (agri-business) to by bulk supplies (think grocery store versus Cosco), fertilizer and pesticides which are fossil fuel based (the steroids of nature) as opposed to solar energy and compost, chemical ripening (artificially ripening = faster ability to sell vs conventional methods), growth hormones (similar to chemical ripening), no need for rotation of soil (cheating nature by artificial means really which destroys top soil but saves on cost) and many other reasons I am sure I am not listing here. The reason why organic produce in general has superior taste is because it is loaded with more minerals and vitamins and because regular produce's use of chemical ripening which allows you to pick the vege or fruit before it is truly ripe for the purpose of lessening timeframe of planting – selling and longer shelf life, but at the cost of true ripened taste.

However, not everything marked organic is a superior product and larger companies are always looking to find ways to get around organic guidelines (loopholes) to be able to mark products organic. Organic really isn't a "label" it's more a methodology and one that ties down our history pre Green Revolution which replaced for the most part solar energy conversion into petro/natural gas model, which in turn allowed population boom. What happens when top soil is gone (look to deserts as examples) and oil passes it peak (ratio of energy inputted into retracting oil vs energy produce by oil)? Lots of people are going to lose weight, have less food choices, some will be nutrionally deficient (or malnurished) leading to disease and complications (because of less food choices and availability), and some will outright starve,

If fluoride caused cancer, there would be a crystal clear coorelation of cancer clusters throughout every metropolitan city in America, as these cities are supplied by water companies, versus rural areas that have private wells (for the most part) and are drinking groundwater that is not fluorinated.

The fox news article is about Fluoride, we are talking about "Soda" or as they are known here "Soft Drinks", unless your claim that fluoride is added to them in which case i will say "where is the medical/clinical study?"

Fluoride doesn't need to be added to soda, it's already a part of it's ingredients due to the fact that soda producers use tap water to make their drinks. Fluoride is added into drinking water of most areas, at least in the US. Same goes with concentrate juices, teas and pretty much almost anything canned and bottled. Think about this for a second, soda is a known acid, which then has sugar added (more acidity), along with fluorinated water (yep acidic affect), and if you drink it from plastic or can what do you think happens to the inner can or bottle walls? It Strips it, even if it’s only on a micro level. Acid is corrisve. That's not mentioning the effects of soda on a body's insulin levels.

Of course the body can withstand a lot of punishment so as long as you drink soda moderately things should be ok. If you are gulping down 2 litters or more a day eventually you are going to run into a whole slew of problems.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


i know that and i get it, but sometimes i wonder if the average soda drinker gets it

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


and very good points you just made hopefully someone reads em

Originally posted by darkredfish

Also, There is no "Fake organic" If it is labeled organic, it has to be certified by the FDA...

Now why you are willing to pay 40 cents more a pound for fruit that is smaller and has less flavor and a higher risk of diseise.... THATS the question.

You might want to search the term "fake organic" and read some of the articles that appear. It's been an ongoing corporate scam for years! You haven't much experience with organic food if you are saying that organic fruit has LESS flavor than regular fruit. The flavor is the reason many chefs choose to use organic fruit and vegetables. It actually has food flavor instead of tasting like chemicals or nothing.

reply to post by RainbeauBleu


i already know about fake orgaincs... they use it to market their produce to sell faster

I been drinking pop since I was little and I'm fine.

reply to post by ApplesOnFire


Regardless of all those findings... soft drinks are horrible for you. I dropped that junk two years ago and I feel great. Diet is worse than regular... much worse. Artifiicial sweetners are too toxic.

HCFS is safe in minimal amounts,
loading your body up with sugar is sure to raise your blood pressure.
And cause fatigue, and cravings for more glucose, and rott your teeth
if you don't brush them. You have to understand taking anything in excess
can be harmful to your health. Balance is the key when consuming any product,
you don't take 12 aspirins because you are in pain at once.
You spread them out, but even aspirin can put a serious load on your kidneys and liver.

reply to post by TruthDamnTruth


Believe it or not but they are voting to remove HFCS and chemicals from non-stick cook ware

2016-2020 HFCS will be gone

they will be using alternatives to that

reply to post by ApplesOnFire


Well, they should remove it or sanction companies to limit the amounts in Soda Pop and other artificial drinks.
You can find HFCS in juices aswell.

reply to post by TruthDamnTruth


you are right they should, and yeah i see "High fructose corn syrup" in cranberry juice,apple juice and some teas they sell at the store

Originally posted by darkredfish
reply to post by ApplesOnFire

 

Yeah... Junk food and flu shots are.

Junk food has chemicals in it which have basis in science to make food taste better and preserve longer.

Flu shots are perfectly safe and are also based in science to allow your body to make antibodies to fight off infection. By not getting one you are only hurting yourself.

Yes, Pop is a junk food; flu shots are junk too.

I quite both and I am living better and feel great too.