Anonymous On a Warpath With Zetas Drug Cartel After Kidnapping Of Group Member

Originally posted by DragonTattooz
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

Well, that may be true, but at least we have keyboard warriors like you, sitting around in your underwear eating Cheetos and telling everybody else that their efforts are for naught. At least Anonymous is doing SOMETHING. People around the world know who they are. Can you say the same? No? That's what I thought.

Their "efforts" will result in the deaths of them, their wives, their kids, their parents, their brother & sisters. You don't fight groups like the zetas with useless threats. Mark my words. And the whole "mom's basement" thing is a bit AOL and those insults stopped being effective about 15 years ago.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by DragonTattooz
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

Well, that may be true, but at least we have keyboard warriors like you, sitting around in your underwear eating Cheetos and telling everybody else that their efforts are for naught. At least Anonymous is doing SOMETHING. People around the world know who they are. Can you say the same? No? That's what I thought.

Their "efforts" will result in the deaths of them, their wives, their kids, their parents, their brother & sisters. You don't fight groups like the zetas with useless threats. Mark my words. And the whole "mom's basement" thing is a bit AOL and those insults stopped being effective about 15 years ago.

Uh, OK. Or in today's vernacular- Whatever Dude.

2nd

reply to post by PrimalRed


Awesome counter point. Make an argument that entails more than the opinion of an obviously small minded p**** and maybe you'll have an opinion that matters. How's the Hidden Wiki Hard Candy section these days? When something matters, it gets done.

What I love most about this is that WE THE PEOPLE will clean up this god forsaken earth if our elected leaders won't.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

reply to post by tangonine


That's the problem with this earth my friend----exactly what you said.

We're all too scared to do anything to correct the great corruption and massive problems on this earth. It's set up this way, right? THE CORRUPTERS WANT YOU TO BE SCARED.

You've just got to stay one step ahead of them, that's all.

Originally posted by DragonTattooz

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by DragonTattooz
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

Well, that may be true, but at least we have keyboard warriors like you, sitting around in your underwear eating Cheetos and telling everybody else that their efforts are for naught. At least Anonymous is doing SOMETHING. People around the world know who they are. Can you say the same? No? That's what I thought.

Their "efforts" will result in the deaths of them, their wives, their kids, their parents, their brother & sisters. You don't fight groups like the zetas with useless threats. Mark my words. And the whole "mom's basement" thing is a bit AOL and those insults stopped being effective about 15 years ago.

Uh, OK. Or in today's vernacular- Whatever Dude.

2nd

actually, the "whatever" thing was old about 10 years ago. But you're moving up the timeline! so kudos to you.

Originally posted by tangonine

Their "efforts" will result in the deaths of them, their wives, their kids, their parents, their brother & sisters. You don't fight groups like the zetas with useless threats. Mark my words. And the whole "mom's basement" thing is a bit AOL and those insults stopped being effective about 15 years ago.

More reason to destroy these animals if they persist in such manner. Can you live with them near you, forever in the thrall of fear and tyranny by them over yourself and your loved ones?

No mortal lives forever. Someday, each of us will have to go when our time is up, one way or another.

Better to go attempting to do something, than to meet death with regrets of not doing anything at all for others. If not for ourselves, it will be for the innocent next generations.

They do their thing and stay on their turf, take their chances. Cross that line into murder of innocents, the dam breaks. There are more of us than them. And armed, both mentally and physically.

5th Nov. 2011

Originally posted by TupacShakur
You know, if Anonymous has the ability to find and release the personal information of people involved in the drug cartel, doesn't that really say something about our government? The multi-billion dollar agencies who are supposedly fighting the war on drugs should be able to find out this info in the blink of an eye if Anonymous is capable of finding it. So what does that tell you? To me, it seems that our government is involved in the drug cartel, but maybe that's a leap. However they were involved with drug running, so in reality it might not be that far from the truth.

You people don't seem to understand who or what anonymous is.

The above is completely wrong.

The government hires hackers or rather professional IT personnel, but hackers are a different ilk. They will do their job, but will usually also be after their own ends.

You have no idea the power that is available to the best hackers. Just like you have no idea the power available to many of the US citizens with firearms.

It takes only a catalyst and a willingness to risk exposure to ignite a fuse that could take out anything in its path.

You also have to be aware that in many cases even if the gov is able to discern this that it doesn't want to truly fight the drug cartels, if they did they would only have to go to Texas or New Mexico on the border and they could take the fight to them.

Jaden

The stakes are rising rapidly.
Beyond this I have no other comment.

reply to post by BadNinja68


Agreed.
It is funny.
We see the human cattle from inside mexico slautered daily.
What folks are not thinking is, these cartel clowns would not stand a chance trying that crap in Los Angeles gang territory.
Besides, were talking bout ex mexican military for the most part.
Yes I just found out mexico does have a military, funny huh?
Yep, them cartels is our new Al Quaeda, and they are on our border!!
Next we invade mexico and annex em, all illegals are now inside their home country!

Originally posted by MRuss
reply to post by tangonine

 

That's the problem with this earth my friend----exactly what you said.

We're all too scared to do anything to correct the great corruption and massive problems on this earth. It's set up this way, right? THE CORRUPTERS WANT YOU TO BE SCARED.

You've just got to stay one step ahead of them, that's all.

I agree. The problem with humanity is the tolerance for corruption. Been that way for thousands of years: nothing has changed. We don't punish thievery or lying, we reward it. That is where we fail.

Originally posted by Magnivea
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

Awesome counter point. Make an argument that entails more than the opinion of an obviously small minded p**** and maybe you'll have an opinion that matters. How's the Hidden Wiki Hard Candy section these days? When something matters, it gets done.

edit on 11/1/11 by Magnivea because: (no reason given)

Its not opinion it is 100% fact. Sony online entertainment, the church of Scientology, pay pal and the government have all had "war"declared on them by anonymous and nothing anonymous has done has ever effected any of these groups.

Originally posted by Masterjaden

Originally posted by TupacShakur
You know, if Anonymous has the ability to find and release the personal information of people involved in the drug cartel, doesn't that really say something about our government? The multi-billion dollar agencies who are supposedly fighting the war on drugs should be able to find out this info in the blink of an eye if Anonymous is capable of finding it. So what does that tell you? To me, it seems that our government is involved in the drug cartel, but maybe that's a leap. However they were involved with drug running, so in reality it might not be that far from the truth.

You people don't seem to understand who or what anonymous is.

The above is completely wrong.

The government hires hackers or rather professional IT personnel, but hackers are a different ilk. They will do their job, but will usually also be after their own ends.

You have no idea the power that is available to the best hackers. Just like you have no idea the power available to many of the US citizens with firearms.

It takes only a catalyst and a willingness to risk exposure to ignite a fuse that could take out anything in its path.

You also have to be aware that in many cases even if the gov is able to discern this that it doesn't want to truly fight the drug cartels, if they did they would only have to go to Texas or New Mexico on the border and they could take the fight to them.

Jaden

The mexican drug cartels pose a clear and present danger to the security of the United States. Having said that... there's exactly 0 probability of an invasion of Mexico.

reply to post by PrimalRed


Yes, they are fine. Because the intent was not to shut them down. It was to draw attention to these things to hopefully wake them up.

Their words will only have weight if they are actually able to bring harm to this cartel. Otherwise, whatever credibility they have will be placed in severe jeopardy and they risk putting more members and their families at risk. I have no doubt that these folks would love to make an example of anon.

gotta get some stuff done and will be back later

it's getting confusing what with the mixed signals but internationl support seems on the rise
a couple analysises posted on web

An Open Source Analysis of the Anonymous - Los Zetas Op jeffreycarr.blogspot.com...
obtained via Global Guerillas globalguerrillas.typepad.com...

Summary
If Anonymous makes good on their threat to release information on the Zetas' businesses and associates on November 5, their rivals and hopefully law enforcement would almost certainly exploit that information to hurt the Zetas. More importantly, if the OpCartel movement attracts broad Mexican and South American support, it could be the beginning of a movement that would lead to the overthrow the drug cartel's power and influence in Mexico. The fact that Mexico is about to begin one of its most important holidays - Dia de los Muertos (the Day of the Dead) - is highly significant. The combination of religion and patriotism is a potent mix, and the Anonymous movement is riding on a wave of successes that connect social media to revolutionary change in the Middle East, North Africa, and the global Occupy movement. Why not Mexico as well?

UPDATE: As of late Sunday night (Oct 30th), Anonymous cancelled #OpCartel after weighing the risks that leaking information about the Zetas posed to its members. The following is a machine translation of the announcement:

In an interview with MILLENNIUM, two members of Anonymous, and Skill3r GlynissParoubek be contacted to explain the circumstances:
Why was decided to cancel the operation?
We can not be a reckless administrators to condemn to death those who participate, we have talked and discussed extensively by all and it was decided to remove it.
So why issue threats?
"It's very easy to make a video on behalf of Anonymous and launch air threats, but to think, plan and evaluate the pros and cons is another story," they said.
What's next?
"They continue other operations, but for now we hope to make clear that the cartel operation is false."

The Milenio article goes on to state that other Anonymous members like AnonymousSabu, the former head of LulzSec, who aren't part of Anonymous Mexico, will continue #OpCartel anyway.

UPDATE 2 (01 NOV 2011): The Global Voices blog features an excellent review of OpCartel including whether the alleged kidnapping of an Anonymous member was faked or not.

Global Voices blog review of OpCartel referred to above globalvoicesonline.org...

gustavo rosario website defaced, outed as zeta
still defaced as of now: www.gustavorosario.com...
globalvoicesonline.org...

Hours after the news of the video started to spread, reports of a hacked page also appeared. The site in question was www.gustavorosario.com [es], but Anonymous Mexico published a communique on Facebook denying their involvement [es]:

Estimados Seguidoras y seguidores de esta página. Por este conducto Anonymous México se deslinda completamente de la responsabilidad de la noticia de hackeo de una página que presuntamente está relacionada con el cártel de los Zetas […] Nuestra lucha no es de este tipo y nuestros ideales no van con esa operación. La nota publicada por varios medios electrónicos es completamente falsa. Pedimos su apoyo para difundir este comunicado.

Dear Followers of this page. Through this medium Anonymous Mexico denies all responsibility about the news of the hacking of one page allegedly related to a cartel. [..] Our fight is not of this kind and our ideals are not in tune with that operation. The note published in many electronic media is completely false. We ask for your support in distributing this communique.

international support

ABC [es], a newspaper from Spain, quotes a tweet by @anonymousIRC [es] from September 27, which has no relation to the Veracruz situation that the video mentions; in fact, it refers to Nuevo Laredo, a city in Tamaulipas:

Hola Cárteles Mexicanos de la Droga. Nosotros no olvidamos #NuevoLaredo #Anonymous

Hello Mexican Drug Cartels. http://(link tracking not allowed)/pqSLIP We do not forget #NuevoLaredo #Anonymous

Internationally, Chron.com first published an article by the Houston Chronicle on Saturday, October 29, with mostly the same information, but also recognizing that:

The person reportedly kidnapped is not named, and the video does not share information about the kidnapping other than that it occurred in the Mexican state of Veracruz during a street protest.

Today, Mexican newspaper Milenio [es] published an article announcing that Anonymous' #OpCartel was cancelled. The piece contains an interview with some alleged members of Anonymous Mexico who declared:

Siguen otras operaciones, pero por el momento esperamos que quede claro que Operación Cartel es falso.

Other operations are in progress, but for the moment we hope it is clear that OpCartel is false.

enter confusion differing factions or a strategy meant to confuse?

To add to the confusion, Anonymous Iberoamerica published a blog entry “About #opCartel” [es] where they recognize that the alleged operation has sparked criticism and they don't want to put anyone in risk. However, they state they will move forward with the operation:

¿Tenemos miedo? Claro. ¿Tememos por nuestras vidas? Evidentemente. No obstante, creemos que es tiempo de decir alto y basta a la terrible situación provocada por la falsedad de los gobiernos [..] han provocado una deplorable situación de ruina y desencanto en lugares como México, un país que se encuentra al borde del colapso, a sólo pasos de una aniquilación total, por la necedad del gobierno en atacar los síntomas del problema y no sus causas […]

Nosotros seguiremos adelante con la operación, ya que así se nos ha solicitado. Para este fin, conformaremos una fuerza de tarea especial dedicada a este asunto. Sin embargo, requerimos de apoyo.

Are we afraid? Yes. Do we fear for our lives? Yes. But we believe that it is time to say stop and enough to this terrible situation provoked by the phoniness of governments [..] who have produced a grim situation of ruin and disenchantment in places like Mexico, a country that is on the brink of collapse, steps from total annihilation, because of the stubbornness of the government in attacking the problem and not the causes.

We will go forward with the operation because it's been solicited. To this end we will build a special task force dedicated to this issue. However, we need support.

the media so far can't seem to make heads or tails of it
or is it just that they no longer know how to deal with a real story without having it spoon fed to them?

will post replies now before going out

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Where have I seen this before?

Ah yes.V for Vendetta.."Do this,or else bla bla bla"

I don't understand why "anonymous" puts out threats.The Zetas get threatened all the time by other ruthless gangs do you think they are afraid of some unknown internet hackers?Even if they release names they still need evidence that those people are in the gang.Anonymous is playing with fire.

And why would Anonymous go after gang members and not the government?

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by BadNinja68

 

Agreed.
It is funny.
We see the human cattle from inside mexico slautered daily.
What folks are not thinking is, these cartel clowns would not stand a chance trying that crap in Los Angeles gang territory.
Besides, were talking bout ex mexican military for the most part.
Yes I just found out mexico does have a military, funny huh?
Yep, them cartels is our new Al Quaeda, and they are on our border!!

Next we invade mexico and annex em, all illegals are now inside their home country!

Go and find the movie "Red Dawn" and watch it. The scene with the teacher who confronts the paratroopers outside the school building is rather poignant.

reply to post by tangonine


Problem is these cartels can pay to track people down.What makes you think they can't get hackers? They mean business guys.
What makes you think that the people that kidnapped this guy was a shill group to play you off against a army of killers?
Stop f--in with these people.
Do you like being tortured to death then butchered? Dismemberment? Acid? Burning?
Anon is a convient CIA paid shill being used to stear a mexican cartel into one of thier problem groups.

If you think CIAnon is just random people your stupid.If they were, they would have been assasinated a long time ago. Your being played.
They are controlled opposition. They are already infiltrated by government agencies.

Originally posted by Magnivea
reply to post by PrimalRed

 

Yes, they are fine. Because the intent was not to shut them down. It was to draw attention to these things to hopefully wake them up.

They still fail, by switching from target to target their effort to shift attention on some person or group fails because they don't stick with any one group long enough to have any real impact. So instead of putting attention on their targets they just draw attention to themselves which is why ANONYMOUS always ends up getting arrested.