ANONYMOUS Identifies Cop Who Shot Marine Vet Scott Olsen

reply to post by neo96


Ah, right. Some arrests have been justified, many not. I could say some labels of racism attatched to the tea party were justified and some not. Both have elements that we would like to not be so focused on, ya? I guess time will tell on this particular issue.

I thought in the USA a person was considered innocent until PROVEN guilty?

The identity could have been submitted to authorities first... By doing it this way you've basically made this person guilty without due process, proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

How would you people feel if something bad happens to this man, or worse his family?

Especially if it was later found that the identity was incorrect?

Hey, while we're at it here, lets throw out the US constitution as well... From now on everyone is guilty because I said so!

Oh yay...Anonymous and OWS...our new Judge, Jury,....I really really hope they aren't stupid enough to go to the next step.


For those saying this has nothing to do with OWS...



Vigalantism

Mobs


If supporters of OWS say they never saw this coming...well...

It was extremely bad form for Anonymous to post this dude's details. Indeed, it's counter-productive to their unstated aim of psyching out the police who attend these events so they think twice before carrying out their orders. Cops have always dealt with bodily threats from organised crime, etc. Protective custody and a security detail are just two options Oakland PD has available to minimise the effects of the public disclosure of his name and address. Any of his colleagues who may have disagreed with the officer's actions on the line at Occupy Oakland are probably now more interested in supporting him than anything else.

This officer is SUSPECTED of wrongdoing, but nothing is definitively proven as yet. If and when it is proven, his police department has procedures in place to discipline him (I posted the OPD "crowd control" policies I believe he violated on another thread), and any of his victims would have grounds to seek redress against both the individual officer and his department through legal channels.

We are nowhere near the point where vigilantism is required for justice and I for one am absolutely disgusted.

we also identified this cop boasting and posing in pictures ,humiliating a protester , on a police officer forum, he got banned after his posts, but we do have the picture

talk about thugs

reply to post by neo96


Lol.
You left out the attempted murder statistic:
OWS 0
Tea Party 2-3

Tea Party member charged with attempted murder.


You are ridiculous. You can't back up your statistic graphic. It's b.s., no rapes and if there were they unlikely had anything to do with the protest. I'm sure there are some Tea Party rapes if you are counting rapes in the vicinity of the protest.
I could find a lot more things to smear the tea party with, but I am not so ignorant as to think the actions of a few represent them all. I give the tea party the benefit of a doubt. Apparently I shouldn't though, because they have people like you spreading ignorance and right wing propaganda.

I think there should be several firings.

1- The crowd control 'commander,' for not having control over his men.
2- The police office that pulled the trigger.
3- The range instructor that taught the officer, for not making sure his 'student' knew that center of mass IS NOT IN THE HEAD.
4- The police officer that through the flash/bang with the intention of bodily injury or death.
5- The person who trained the officer in how to safely use and employ flash/bangs.
6- His fellow officers, for not knowing they had a loose cannon on the front lines and not for arresting him for his life endangering actions.


Frankly a cop or soldier that can't follow instructions or the ROE is a hazard on both sides of the lines, and needs to be slapped down hard. In public or in private.

M.

I failed to see any identity information. What gives?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


articles.baltimoresun.com...

www.nypost.com...

Yeah what is ridiculous here use the video using the disparaging term for the TPM and whatelse is the denial of rape is on going and OWS to keep the matter's to be handled internally instead of going to the police.

Flat out they will not report anything that put OWS in a negative light.

Thanks you have just earned my utter contempt.

Yeah dude look for the video of the OWS orotester who tried to kill a reporter.

Originally posted by wayouttheredude
I failed to see any identity information. What gives?

The outlets that were sourced in the links are only reporting what happened, printing the officers personal information would be actively participating in disseminating it further.

I'm sure the information can be found at the same place that cant be named that anonymous has used for this type of thing in the past.

reply to post by neo96


I imagine contempt is the only thing you have to offer.
Also all you provided was a link to where an OWS protestor was assaulted, how does that translate to OWSers are doing anything wrong? Rather than have compassion for the victim you have contempt for what she stands for. The other link you sent it just a theory. It's dumb, again just a few small amount of people you are using to make disparaging remarks against an entire group.

The Tea Party had the same things going on in it as OWS. People at OWS are actually putting themselves at more risk to stand up for what they believe in than the Tea Party ever did and that is a fact.

reply to post by neo96


LOL
Did you even watch your own video?
First at the beginning they mention for him to make sure to tell the story, because they have to make a point to bring up a negative comment as many times as the can and emphasize it even to the point of being unprofessional. Second you said he tried to kill him, clearly that is a LIE. He got into an argument and the guy made a threat. Yet as we see in the video the reporter stayed around to argue with the guy that made the threat so he must not have felt too threatened. Also as they say in the video, the protestor made the threat after the reporter put his hands on him, which of course we can't see because as the reporter said they don't have the video of the confrontation (yet they have the video of him arguing and sensationalizing it after). Want to know why they didn't show the video? Because the news reporter likely did start the confrontation as you can see he's kind of a jerk and demanding rudely and yelling at a protestor that didn't do anything to him. What a pathetic attempt you have made here for everyone to see.

Fox news isn't real news. It is a propaganda channel. It was nice of the police and fire department to steal all the protestors generators now that it has started to get cold though.

Please everyone watch the video! It will show you how the protestors are trying to be discredited through any means necessary and are harassed and possibly assaulted by fox "journalists."

I applaud this post, great job.

ANY authority figure who abuses their power deserves to have any and all personal information posted online. I can guarantee you if this happens enough you will see less abuse from them. They hold a public position entrusted with the PROTECTION of US citizens paid for by tax dollars. What that cop did in absolutely no way helped protect the public from any thing or any one. The Police were sent down there to break up a legal protest, they shot tear gas into the crowd and incited the riot themselves. The only thing any one did was toss the tear gas out of the protest and it was not even back at the cops who had shot it.
Now for the ummmm ...less uninformed people on this board or the people who in the future wish to stick up for any one who violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights like these cops did let me remind you

Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Mind you it does not say from 10am until 8 pm or any other restrictions. It is funny how some of you people want to protect these cops who violated the Bill of Rights but you don't want to stick up for the Constitutional rights of the protestors. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

reply to post by Djarums




I am not sure he is 100% responsible for Olsens injury either, but he sure is a piece of work...

I believe my feelings and reasoning is pretty well said and loudly at that across another thread dealing with this outing of a Police Officer to the public during the height of rage and general poor judgement on all sides there.

What I would like to add is THIS specific incident and the reactions to it that I've seen in this thread, others and more importantly, in the Oakland and other Occupystream chat rooms is AT LEAST 50% of the reason I've gone from being an active and very vocal supporter of the movement...to being a rather heartbroken and reluctant member of the opposition. This isn't a game and there isn't much of a middle ground. I understand and appreciate that, as well or better than most.

However, I didn't join OWS to join in civil war, violent unrest or militant action against Police Officers. I joined to see MAJOR changes to and within the system we have. That system is where the actions of this Officer need to be investigated and the final results made public when they are available. Anyone suggesting that such accountability won't be forthcoming is being ridiculous. This isn't some cop in a dark alley kicking the stuffing out of someone. This is a TURNING point and PIVOTAL event in one of the most high profile movements in recent U.S. history. He'll be dealt with, if the facts are what we all believe we see them as in the videos..but inside the system.

Kali, to you specifically, I love your enthusiasm and commitment to the values OWS has consistently held forth as being core to the movement. Sadly, that isn't what I'm now seeing and hearing from so many in their own chat rooms and from the public speakers invited, tolerated and even applauded at numerous events now. I wish this could have worked out....and gone in a positive direction. It just doesn't look like that is what will happen. It's profoundly depressing for me to have to admit that, but at some point, I just can't keep rationalizing and ignoring what is right there and screaming to be taken at their word.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Kali, to you specifically, I love your enthusiasm and commitment to the values OWS has consistently held forth as being core to the movement. Sadly, that isn't what I'm now seeing and hearing from so many in their own chat rooms and from the public speakers invited, tolerated and even applauded at numerous events now. I wish this could have worked out....

It is precisely these very reasons, their own words, actions and how they welcome certain elements into the fray, that I could not and will not support the OWS movement.

It's a mob.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Anonymous should be prosecuted]/b] if any harm comes to anyone from their actions. Hope they are held accountable, but most of all I hope this Officers family are not harmed.

Which one?

What an age we live in... "Anonymous should be prosecuted!" -- the words themselves elicit laughter.

One guy on /b/ appears to have reviewed a number of videos from the night, and has come to the conclusion (based on what I do not know) that this guy is the guilty party. He posts on /b/.

Anonymous then appears to be the bogey man in the line of fire for anyone who thinks it's baloney.

Almost as if someone on ATS posts about their fortnightly ritual where he listens to heavy metal while sacrificing puppies under the pale moon light - and the rest of the internet says "ATS should be kicked off the interwebz.."

So I'm asking, how do you prosecute someone you cannot even tangibly identify?

"I think there should be several firings.

1- The crowd control 'commander,' for not having control over his men.
2- The police office that pulled the trigger.
3- The range instructor that taught the officer, for not making sure his 'student' knew that center of mass IS NOT IN THE HEAD.
4- The police officer that through the flash/bang with the intention of bodily injury or death.
5- The person who trained the officer in how to safely use and employ flash/bangs.
6- His fellow officers, for not knowing they had a loose cannon on the front lines and not for arresting him for his life endangering actions.


Frankly a cop or soldier that can't follow instructions or the ROE is a hazard on both sides of the lines, and needs to be slapped down hard. In public or in private.

M. "


How about the person who ordered the cop to go down there and violate the protestors Constitution right??


"Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

Funny how people on here equate the posting of the cops personal information as intent to cause him harm when it is just to make him accountable for what he did, I did not see anonymous in any way shape or form suggest harm should come to this cop but I guess innocent until proven guilty only applies to the cops for those of you wanting to assume any one here wants to hurt him or that was the intent of the post in the first place.

..truth have hard time in here... if that guy did it... so he have to be put out of the job, he is not trustful cop anymore... and he do not work for people, with his action he never did... stupid arogant in uniform... like most of them... but my point is that here are a lot of people that make U think what they want... ATS is not independent..

Originally posted by Domo1
I just want to say one more thing really quick before everyone hop on the 'it keeps cops honest' bandwagon. Let's say you got into a fight with someone. Let's say you punched a guy for some reason. All of a sudden your family was being threatened for YOUR actions. Is that really fair? Post his name, sure. Just don't post his address and phone numbers, or the names of his family. Even if it is public information posting encourages violence. If you advocate non violence against protesters then advocate violence towards cops you are no better than the cops you profess to hate.

I am not sure if identifying his address and other personal information is "fair", but doing so would make poeple more accountable for their actions.

I think all police officers should be tracked (GPS tracking) and their actions while on duty should be recorded (at least audible recordings). I believe this would help with the accountability of the law enforcement actions, in other words: "it would help keep them honest". What do they have to loose if they are not doing anything wrong...