Proof Of Infiltrators and Provocateurs At OWS Oakland

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Well, sorry to tell you but you are being used as another "useful idiot". That is not my insult, it is the insult that true socialist/communists have been giving to those who support these socialist/communist movements like the OWS...



I know what I am talking about, I lived and experienced what a similar "unite the workers, let's raise our fist" movements did to the nation where I was born...

I know better than you what I am talking about, and the logos are the OFFICIAL logos of those areas, and in general of the OWS movement...

Some other logos have been submitted by other protesters, but the logos you will find in t-shirts, and the official logos are those of socialism/communism...


moneyland.time.com...-fist-t-shirt

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Lemme guess? Marxist Socialist Neo Nazi Fascist Communist blah blah symbols blah blah






Wait I am not black ummm

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Well, sorry to tell you but you are being used as another "useful idiot". That is not my insult, it is the insult that true socialist/communists have been giving to those who support these socialist/communist movements like the OWS...

Horribly wrong you are, in fact i have been waiting for people to start demonstrations against Wall Street and the Banks. I expected people to protest the FED before anything but have taken the opportunity to voice my contempt against the crimes that have been committed. You sure love that word "socilaits" dont you. Branding and labeling people makes things easy and simple for you.

I know what I am talking about, I lived and experienced what a similar "unite the workers, let's raise our fist" movements did to the nation where I was born...

What are you talking about?

I know better than you what I am talking about, and the logos are the OFFICIAL logos of those areas, and in general of the OWS movement...

The "I know better then you" cop out, those damn logos again

Some other logos have been submitted by other protesters, but the logos you will find in t-shirts, and the official logos are those of socialism/communism..

Logos of the Black Panther Party that have been adopted as a sign of solidarity, against VIOLENCE oh how threatening.

Does this look socialist to you too?

It is another OWS shirt



Ahh never mind i think I know the answer to that all ready. Some of us have jobs and time to get some sleep so i can get up for my socialist job, being the village idiot and all I have to pay for my Gas, Mortgage , Bills.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

yet you oppose the right to peacefully assemble - OWS

WRONG... I never said they couldn't protest... I am SHOWING who is behind this movement, and what they really want...

Do yourself a favor and watch this video.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Maybe i don't speak for everyone, but can say i speak for those i agree with that being the basic gist of why OWS is there in the first place.

Can you not understand that claiming to be "the 99%" is claiming to be the mayority and claiming to be speaking for the mayority? And this movement is GLOBAL in nature... The organizers and the mayority of the OWS do not want to restore the U.S. Constitution, they want a GLOBAL state/government...

Originally posted by Unknown SoldierWrong

I am wrong despite the fact that I showed proof and all you are doing is CLAIMING I am wrong?...

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

I see more Ron Paul people there then lefties, I met several republicans there as well. Again you are projecting your right wing vs left wing politics on a movement that is not officially political. A movement that gets endorsed by several entities, organizations and can and will receive more. This is the same tripe the MSM pulled with the tea party claiming it was all right wingers. You are doing the same here.

The Ron Paul supporters, and the Tea Party supporters, etc ARE A MINORITY... Why is it that you can barely see an AMERICAN FLAG in the OWS protests, yet there are plenty of socialist/communist logos?...

Why is it that the official logos are that of socialists/communists?...

Why is it that EVERY group which is a partner/organizer is LEFTWING yet people like you keep claiming it isn't when THERE IS PROOF THAT THEY ARE LEFTWING?...

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
Now i know what you might mean when you say "you people" i guess the black panther party must be the organizers since the also had the same logo?
en.wikipedia.org...

The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a universal symbol of solidarity and support.[1] It is also used as a salute to express unity, strength, defiance, or resistance. The salute dates back to ancient Assyria as a symbol of resistance in the face of violence.[2]

Don't mind us people we are just a bunch of Marxist Socialist Communist from Kenya, the PC way of calling us a N*****

First of all, I DIDN'T mention ANYWHERE the race, or color.. Nice try at using the race card but you are only showing IGNORANCE...


Second of all, the Black Panthers were a far left organization...

Even wikipedia itself can teach you what it was...

Ideology: Black nationalism (early), Marxism–Leninism, Maoism, proletarian internationalism, socialism


Political position: Far-left
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en.wikipedia.org...

So you fail on both trying to use the race card, and not knowing who the Black Panthers were...

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
You totally lost me there are you on something?

How many times do I have to show it?

The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch.3) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender. The Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

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Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate Theodore Roosevelt and Republican nominee William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.

In his first term as President, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass major progressive reforms including the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and an income tax. Wilson brought many white Southerners into his administration, and supported the introduction of segregation into many federal agencies.[1]
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Government systems

Under the influence of Walter Bagehot's The English Constitution, Wilson saw the United States Constitution as pre-modern, cumbersome, and open to corruption. He believed, according to one interpreter, that "the U.S. Constitution prevents the government from meeting the country's needs by enumerating rights that the government may not infringe."[35] An admirer of Parliament, Wilson favored a parliamentary system for the United States. Writing in the early 1880s:

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Sorry you are wrong.
You are the perpetually sidelined, that will never take an actual step towards anything for fear of progressing someone elses agenda.

I know what this movement is about. You don't.
That makes you the idiot in the equation, my words.

Follow the real stories in the papers on the local level and you start to hear the real voice of the protests, not the tiny pockets of marxists that the papers sensationalize. The true goal is to end conflict of interest between big banking/big pharma/big oil/military industry/big agriculture and the government. It is to to stand up against and hold accountable the banks that gave out high interest loans in a recession/depression.

Get in the know.
Colorado

The Saturday afternoon protest crowd was much smaller than the would-be revolutionaries had hoped. However, the comically unfocused messages from the New York campers seem to be finding some filters. While there were the expected few signs with vulgarities aimed at government and bankers and corporations, the major focus of this day’s protestors was concern about growing corruption in the federal government.

www.greeleygazette.com...

Kentucky

a member of the Occupy Ashland KY group, said the goal of the movement is to both show solidarity with those gathered on Wall Street and to make people more aware of problems in society, including banking cartels, big companies that control things such as the food and pharmaceutical industries and the media. “It’s time to wake people up,” he said. “It’s time to shock people a little bit. It’s time to bring forth a little bit of the reality that the majority of us refuse to see because we’re too busy watching ‘Glee,’ too busy tuning in on ‘American Idol,’ waiting for the new iPhone to come out.” Hurst said he knows people who are participating in the occupation in New York City, and he thinks there’s confusion over the purpose behind their actions. “Those people are not protesting Wall Street, they’re protesting the Federal Reserve’s control of the U.S. economy,” he said.

dailyindependent.com...

Look at what the real grassroots of this movement are doing. Go out to an actual protest instead of arguing online. I have yet to see one of these socialists in the flesh at the protests. I am not a useful idiot, you however are being a useless one. I know I am not because I have helped spark conversation and helped organize one of the protests and general assemblies and there was a cohesive message and it wasn't one of socialism. In all honesty my actions there in a few weeks of this protest have probably allowed me to do more for this country than you ever will complaining on your computer.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Horribly wrong you are, in fact i have been waiting for people to start demonstrations against Wall Street and the Banks. I expected people to protest the FED before anything but have taken the opportunity to voice my contempt against the crimes that have been committed. You sure love that word "socilaits" dont you. Branding and labeling people makes things easy and simple for you.
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I have said it MANY times before... i never claimed everyone who is protesting with the OWS movement is a socialsit/communist, but those who are behind the mvoement and the mayority of the OWS movement ARE SOCALISTS/COMMUNISTS...









The organizations behind this movement are socialist/far left...

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Front groups of the community organization ACORN played a major role in organizing the OWS protests nationwide. For instance, the Working Families Party (WFP), a longtime ACORN front, helped mobilize the demonstrations in New York City. "We are actually trying to change the capitalist system we have today because its not working for any of us," WFP organizer Nelini Stamp told Laura Flanders of Free Speech TV in an interview.

Meanwhile, ACORNs newer front groups were likewise deeply involved in launching and expanding the OWS movement throughout the fall of 2011. For instance, New York Communities for Change -- led by longtime ACORN lobbyist Jon Kest -- helped WFP organize the demonstrations in lower Manhattan. In Pennsylvania, Action United participated in the "Occupy Pittsburgh" rallies. In Florida, Organize Now took part in "Occupy Orlando." The Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment led the "Occupy L.A." protests. And New England United for Justice, headed by former ACORN national president Maude Hurd, participated in the related “Take Back Boston” rallies in Massachusetts.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) was also heavily involved in OWS's formation and early growth. At the heart of "Occupy Los Angeles," for instance, were two Southern California communists -- veteran Party leader Arturo Cambron and his comrade Mario Brito. In early October 2011, Brito declared that OWS's chief objective was to achieve “economic justice,” and added: “This is an international movement ... The vast majority of Americans actually believe income inequality is a major problem. The only reason they haven’t acted upon it is because there hasn’t been a mass movement.” In an October 15, 2011 address to the nearly 3,000 attendees at an "Occupy Chicago" rally, John Bachtell, a spokesman from the CPUSA's national board, claimed to “bring greetings and solidarity from the Communist Party”; he received a number of loud ovations from the crowd.
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www.discoverthenetworks.org...


BTW, under the guise of "unite the workers" people of many different ideologies have been trapped SEVERAL TIMES into the socialist closed fist...

Another thing, yes the Occupy people are accepting some other logos, but their principal logos are those of socialists/communists...

The Assyrians existed THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO...The closed fist has been retaken as their logo by socialists/communists...

The raised fist salute consists of raising one arm in the air with a clenched fist. Different movements sometimes use different terms to describe the raised fist salute: amongst communists and socialists, it is sometimes called the red salute, whereas amongst black rights activists, especially in the United States of America it has been called the Black Power salute. During the Spanish Civil War, it was sometimes known as the anti-fascist salute. The traditional version of the salute, originally a symbol of the broader workers' movement, became associated with the parties of the Comintern during the 1920s and 1930s. Since the Trotskyists were forced out of the Comintern, some Trotskyists have made a point of strictly raising the left fist in the tradition of the Left Opposition. Some anarchists also prefer the left fist to denote their libertarian socialist opposition to Marxism.

en.wikipedia.org...


The fist, and more so when it is accompained by the word revolution in RED, is, and has ALWAYS been used as the symbols for the red revolution of socialism/communism...

Do yourself a favor and look for yourself who is behind this movement...

and as i asked several times already why did they have to form a new movement when one existed for years?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Lol..
Again..
You are buying right into what the MSM wants you to believe.
I am a Ron Paul supporter. I have met tons of other Ron Paul supporters at the protests. At all three of the protests I have been to there were people with a flag that they passed around and insisted that was always carried and waving by someone.

I even posted a picture from one of the protests I was attending.
I'll post them again. From a local protest I attended (though the pictures aren't mine).







This guy was still waving the flag at around 4 a.m in the morning, in the freezing cold.


I have said this a million times lately on ATS, but I will keep saying it until it sinks in to people like you.
An evil man can drop a thousand dollars on the ground and a good man can pick it up and spend it.
It doesn't matter who is trying to start this or push it, or for what reason. It's fallen into the hands of the right people. It doesn't matter what agenda is being pushed at the few BIG OWS rallies. What matter is the message being disseminated at the real grass roots levels. There are way more people attending these smaller rallies than the few bigger ones. These are the real OWS people. So socialists can push their agenda in NY all they want, it doesn't mean squat. The real movement is grass roots and one of the most patriotic you will ever see, far more so than the Tea Party or anything else.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Look at what the real grassroots of this movement are doing. Go out to an actual protest instead of arguing online. I have yet to see one of these socialists in the flesh at the protests. I am not a useful idiot, you however are being a useless one. I know I am not because I have helped spark conversation and helped organize one of the protests and general assemblies and there was a cohesive message and it wasn't one of socialism. In all honesty my actions there in a few weeks of this protest have probably allowed me to do more for this country than you ever will complaining on your computer.

I doubt that, I have sent letters to Senators, written to the White House, signed my name in lists of Americans protesting for what has been happening. I have been able on occasions to participate in town hall meetings whenever i have been able, which at times I can't.

BTW, in case you didn't know I am disabled with severe left brachial plexopathy, so I can't stay for days in a tent doing nothing but yelling and screaming...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I don't camp. I work full time, have things to do, and a girlfriend to spend time with (though she protests with me sometimes). I go down and hold a sign when I can. I usually get in 15 hours a week since this started.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
LoL

Ok so let me get this straight, you guys want people to join the movement......

but then when people do come to support during the hours they arent working..........then you guys call them provacatuers?

Wait..........so only CERTAIN people can come to the OWS is that right?

Yes cause ALL police officers are evil , brutal people.........

Point: What if these guys were coming down to join the movement in their off hours?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

enough proof that you are just a troll. You are accusing other people without any proof, yet you come here and justify these cops...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


wow...two American flags?... Yeah, that shows a mayority of the OWS right?...

Keep up with the discussion if you are going to participate in it...

I have shown several photos already of the difference between the Tea Party movement and the OWS movement...

OWS movement...













Tea Party Movement...

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow

I don't camp. I work full time, have things to do, and a girlfriend to spend time with (though she protests with me sometimes). I go down and hold a sign when I can. I usually get in 15 hours a week since this started.

edit on 1-11-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Sorry to tell you that nomatter how much you try to claim the contrary i made my own investigation and found out exactly what this movement is all about. Thanks, but no thanks.

I am not going to join ANOTHER "people/worker's movement" knowing, and having experienced what you have not experienced in your entire life.

I know that it SOUNDS like "a dream", but it is a hellish nightmare.

Once this movement gathers more force the world elites will implement THEIR One World SOcialist government which they will claim is the ONLY solution to all the problems...

They already have been using other causes like the lie that is AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) to try to implement a One World Socialist government...

If you don't think this has anything to do with World Socialism you better do some real research...

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang



ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.


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The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster

www.unesco.org...

Not all Occupy Groups are the same. I know the one in my city is not like the others I see on TV and in the Lame Stream Media. If you have not gone and sat down with an open mind and talked to a group in your area then I suggest you do so and truly educate yourselves. You just might find you have something in common.

The politicians are 99% of the problem. The other 1% are the Sheeple of this nation who elected those politicians and who have no clue what a "Recall Vote" is for when those politicians fail to do the will of "We The People"!!

There is your real problem America!!

Having to educate the general population of my own Facebook friends list that not all Occupy Movements are the same is quite the task. Over coming the obvious lack of their education can be challenging to say the least but as I plainly state our local group is the most peaceful,balanced and educated of all of the groups I see going on. Let's all work hard to keep it this way.

Wake up America!!

Proud Member of OccupyCoMo.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I only used images from someone I know personally from an event I attended.
An event I could actually speak for. Also you missed the whole point I made about OWS NY, but I suspect you did so on purpose.

To be honest, my single picture of a kid holding a flag does a lot more for me than a picture of people with American flag shirts, and flags from the knick knack aisle. For all I know Glen Beck handed them out at the rally.
Anyway. No point in arguing. I gave context for my photos, you didn't for yours.

Here is another Tea Party picture:



Not so many flags from the front. Wonder if they gathered a bunch together for the photo op that is your picture.
It's honestly pretty pathetic that you scoffed as if to imply "one measly flag." They only needed one. Every single person there took a turn carrying it. They made sure it never touched the ground. It wasn't tucked into their sidebag, or use it to applaud a sarah palin speech. Every second that flag was held it was the focus of the holders attention. I'm done wasting my time with you.

reply to post by Intrud3r

enough proof that you are just a troll. You are accusing other people without any proof, yet you come here and justify these cops...

so because I dont agree with you and there IS NO PROOF IN THAT VIDEO, that the cops did ANYTHING other than come to the protest..........and because i was disgusted at the outpouring free pass people got for stealing just because they could have been OWS members...........then im a troll?

Wow, you truly are a credit to your movement..........

Provocateurs At OWS

OWS movement is ripe for provocateurs from all sides to cause trouble because the is no organised organization.

Left wing. right wing, anarchist, federal agents, confidential informants trying to get out of jail time even foreign agents or foreign terrorist all could blend in and cause trouble.

Plus its ripe for disinformation teams to infiltrate and look for reporters to have fun with starting disinformation stories.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
LoL

Ok so let me get this straight, you guys want people to join the movement......

but then when people do come to support during the hours they arent working..........then you guys call them provacatuers?

Wait..........so only CERTAIN people can come to the OWS is that right?

Yes cause ALL police officers are evil , brutal people.........

Point: What if these guys were coming down to join the movement in their off hours?

You make a good point but I don't think your correct.

We are fully aware on ATS that a common Police tactic at demonstrations accross the globe is infiltration. I find it difficult to believe a Police officer was protesting in the same area as his beat/patrol which is policed by his collegues, in fact, I find it very unlikely.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Yeah there is... if you want DO YOUR OWN FREAKING INVESTIGATION, but find out who is exactly the organizers, and the money behind the OWS movement. You don't have to take the word from some BLOG like some people were doing trying to dismiss the Tea Party movement. The information can be found even in leftwinger sources, and it clearly shows who is behind this movement... Just a hint...it is not "the 99% of the people in the U.S."...

I have, thank you very much: here is my thread reporting on my local OWS.

I'm actually making a video on it, I put a trailer and the raw interviews up already in my thread here.

reply to post by lifttheveil


No. He doesn't make a good point really. If that officer supported them "in his off time" he wouldnt be able to bring himself to fire tear gas and rubber bullets at them later when he was on duty.

That guy you are responding to has been making ridiculous claims every change he gets.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed

Originally posted by pianopraze
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

Thus it begins.

ATS seems to be full of threads of bought out people loudly shouting against OWS... when the ATS poll has shown that most of ATS is for OWS.

There is a war on for your mind.

Don't let the disinformation rule the day. Go down and see for your self. Watch the independent media.

There does seem to be a lot of anti OWS sentiment lately, and a lot of the reasoning behind this is ridiculous at times. The propaganda war is clearly in full effect.

Indeed it is in full effect. Have you been over to GLP lately? Wow, it's just beyond laughable. Now GLP even has demeaning images (demeaning for OWS protestors) at the bottom of every page. A few days ago one of the images said something like "Occupy a Job". That is laughable coming from a douche like Trinity who sits at his computer all day making money from what other people post. Their latest image really takes the cake though:

What I find really interesting is the stark contrast between ATS and GLP when it comes to our perspectives on OWS. These are two of the largest conspiracy forums on the internet, it's interesting to note how differently the membership perceive certain events. However, the perceptions of the GLP membership are clearly warped and tainted by the administration. At least the administration of ATS isn't censoring certain opinions or pushing certain opinions about OWS (well I haven't seen it happen yet).

edit on 1-11-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

I may have visited GLP once in the past but not lately. I can only imagine what those bafoons have to say. I get my fare share of crazies here on ATS