WARNING: OWS is a Trap!! Get off the Streets Immediately

The 3 dimensional plane is just an illusion of Electrons Protons and Neutrons buzzing around at break neck speed creating the illusion of MATTER TIME and SPACE. - Bryan Kemila

Everything is changed to MATTER simply by a THOUGHT.

Dump your thoughts and Disconnect, and nothing will be Created, particularily
in the way that those running this reality can Manipulate towards their own
twisted and demented means.

CIA and all those other scary forces couldn't pull this out even if they wanted to because they are too busy posting comments on ATS, hopelessly trying to make people keep sitting on their asses. Good luck with your old-age reverse psychology tricks, but it won't work this time. You can tell whatever you like about OWS but it is happening and it already started what should have started long ago, and it has the prayers of hundreds of millions of people around the world behind it. Well, perhaps you'll see martial law there, like US-imposed martial laws all around the globe, and perhaps it is also very necessary for the American people to turn off the TV and wake up. And yes there are and will always be some agent provocateurs in this kind of soulfull protests but again, who cares. We know the truth and this time it is what matters.

And one humble advice: You are about to get stuck with your focus on fear which is all old-age. I don't know if you realized but that age is about to end and a new one is being born right now. This one focuses on love and oneness. Opposite of love is not hate but fear, so with fear mongering you are playing to loose, and even cause more people to loose, or to be left behind. I sincerely pray that you wake up soon.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


This [sweat shop] is the reality of corporatism - the end result - profit at all costs. You really are hear no, see no, speak no...on this one aren't you. Haven't you noticed the current levels of unemployment? The lack of manufacturing in your country? Did it pass you by that billions of tax payers money was used to bail out a failed banking system...where's the capitalism in that? A true free market economy would have let them fail.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
OWS is against corporate greed in Wall Street I thought? Now it's sweat shops. Are you policing what is happening in Indonesia?
Are you for or against some corporation making the computer you are using for your anti-corporate rant?
Again, not all corporations are sweat shops in Indonesia. Adbusters seems to be against all corporations, but they sure take money from the very corporate Soros.
Don't even talk to me about corporations and Wall Street without addressing the Soros connection.
Perhaps you want us all to live in the Stone age? You are free to do that, but stop screaming and yelling about corporations when every day you use products made by them.

That's not answering these simple questions, ThirdEye.

Are you for or against sweatshop labor? Yes or no?
Should companies that indulge in sweatshop labor face penalties or not?
Do the women and girls working these places deserve a living wage and fair treatment, or not?

I still await your response to these three questions on your stance regaring the ethics of sweatshops.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

You what? Corporatism is the main definer of fascism . For a moment imagine left and right do not sit at the opposite ends of a straight line – imagine a circle. The result of extreme left and extreme right amount to the same thing, as you say, totalitarianism. Given the recent news that the majority of the world’s holdings are in the hands of just 177 corporations – that is indeed the very direction we’re heading in...on a global scale. The corporation has no long term interests – it cares only for short term gain – and will manipulate duly elected officials to ensure they can achieve that aim.

In what way does describing a person as fascist imply they are a supporter of the police state – that is the very miscomprehension that has allowed the current fascistic system to come into being. ‘We don’t have a police state therefore we are not fascist.’ That’s a falsehood. Fascism has nothing at all to do with support or non-support of the police.

I did not call you a fascist because you do not support communist or socialist agendas – I called you a fascist because you stated that those who were against corporatism were communists. That’s rather extreme don’t you think?

The capitalism we have been living with is a fraud encouraged and supported only by the slackening of credit restrictions (evidenced by its current state). A good business model should be able to fund its own expansion with minimum borrowing....a household should be able to survive week to week without resorting to a credit card or releasing the equity on their home. You at least note that capitalism has been abused – on that at least we can agree.

How in heaven’s name have I ‘boxed your ears’ about not supporting Soros – as I previously stated it was your reference to ‘anti corporate communist agitators’ that I was ‘boxing your ears’ for.

What’s fascism got to do with Hitler?

No it is not. You are mistaken and you don't know what you are talking about.
Look Christina, you may be sincere in your belief, but when the Communist Party gives their full support to OWS, and it is well documented that communism is anti-capitalist, and the organizers of OWS are defined by their anti corporate stance, and they also happen to have among their numbers communists from Estonia, and the demands of OWS are socialist, my observance of that does not make me fascist.
What's fascism got to do with Hitler? Are you serious?

Anyway, here is a partial wikipedia definition of fascism, and I will just leave you to mull over it. Maybe you will learn something and stop being so simplistic.

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek to rejuvenate their nation based on commitment to the national community as an organic entity, in which individuals are bound together in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood.[3] To achieve this, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[3]

Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, discipline and family policy (such as eugenics).[4][5] That state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions.[6] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition.[7]

Fascism promotes political violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[4][8] It views conflict as a fact of life that is responsible for all human progress.[9] It exalts militarism as providing positive transformation in society and providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character and creating national comradeship through military service.[10] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violent attacks on opponents or to overthrow a political system.[11]

Fascists advocate: a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state; the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient; and autarky.[3] They are hostile to finance capitalism, plutocracy, the "power of money", and internationalist economics.[3]

en.wikipedia.org...

Of course, as in most liberal mindsets, even the wikipedia entries suggest that fascism is right wing. This wikipedia entry is likely from a liberal standpoint, and I am guessing that the finance capitalism is a bit off too, as it is well known that western banks and corps funded both Hitler and the Bolshevik

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
OWS is against corporate greed in Wall Street I thought? Now it's sweat shops. Are you policing what is happening in Indonesia?
Are you for or against some corporation making the computer you are using for your anti-corporate rant?
Again, not all corporations are sweat shops in Indonesia. Adbusters seems to be against all corporations, but they sure take money from the very corporate Soros.
Don't even talk to me about corporations and Wall Street without addressing the Soros connection.
Perhaps you want us all to live in the Stone age? You are free to do that, but stop screaming and yelling about corporations when every day you use products made by them.

That's not answering these simple questions, ThirdEye.

Are you for or against sweatshop labor? Yes or no?
Should companies that indulge in sweatshop labor face penalties or not?
Do the women and girls working these places deserve a living wage and fair treatment, or not?

I still await your response to these three questions on your stance regaring the ethics of sweatshops.

As long as you are using products made by corporations, do not even bother to continue to try to make this point with me. If you really cared about women's rights, you would be protesting Sharia Law, but you won't do that. I will wait for you to protest the stoning of women in Islamic States. Will you protest when Sharia Law comes fully to the States while you whined and screamed about sweat shops in Indonesia?

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Unfortunately, OWS is not about penalties for corporations but for abolishing Capitalism. The signs on the street say it all. Stop hiding behind the straw man argument of sweat shops in Indonesia. That is what communists do. They use an issue such as that as the basis for the action they wish to take. In other words, to abolish capitalism, the communists say oh those evil corporations create sweat jobs, they are all bad, every one of them. If you don't believe me, read the communist manifesto.
I'm guessing what you really hate is anything in the private sector, as communists just nationalize all the corporations and run them as State businesses. And you somehow think that that will make it all better because the evil capitalists will be gone and the wonderful govt people will be running everything and it will be oh so efficient. Never mind that communist revolutions have all been filled with the most vile, violent revolutions and killing and oppression imaginable, far more than you think is happening in the States now. Just ask anyone who ever lived in a real communist country. They will all tell you the same thing I am.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


And the world's most renowned fascist said 'Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.'
Benito Mussolini

I am quite serious - please explain what fascism has to do with Hitler? I'm not simply being obtuse.

You think your current 2 party system is genuine? You know of course that these corporations fund both sides to ensure they hold sway on whichever party is successful in any election.

There is a middle way - the mixed economy. Keep life's necessities gas, electricity, water etc. in the hands of the state and allow the city clickers to play with everything else. Given the current state of the world's economy you are seriously suggesting that capitalism has proved successful?

When you state that capitalism has been abused - I think you've got rather a lot of common ground with the OWS'ers on that one - that appears to be what they think too.

Globalisation was always envisaged to be allowed ONLY with a level playing field - when currencies roughly equated and emerging economies applied the same employment rights and conditions as the developed nations.

Political and economic pressure led to China being loosed on the world in 2000 before those conditions were met...thereafter it took 8 years to crash the global economy. Don't you think it may be rather beneficial for your own country's economy if the playing field was levelled and some of these retail goods were actually manufactured there?

We are no supporting anything that even has a hint of Soros involved...simple as that.

reply to post by christina-66


You are saying that we must have some socialism mixed in with a bit of capitalism, is that what I'm hearing? But it's never enough is it? That is what Fabian socialism is about. It is about implementing socialism in increments. That way the people just get comfortable with it, and when it fails, everyone just says it is all the fault of capitalism. Communists and Karl Marx himself have said that socialism is just the bridge to full communism. Communism has always been the final goal of all socialist programs.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Oh for goodness sake - before we were sold out the UK was the best example of a mixed economy in the world. You are such a scaredy cat and fear monger - you really are.

Pick a country....go in support the resistors....there is always political opposition in any country,,work on it,,,work them up...send advisors...win...INSTAPUPPET.
This is the purpose of the OTPOR..The CIA's Professional Revolution Organization. How can they resist the urge to control something that is leaderless?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Are you for or against sweatshop labor, ThirdEye? Should companies that indulge in sweatshop labor face penalties or not? Do the women and girls working these places deserve a living wage and fair treatment, or not?

Yes or no?

No.

It's not our job to police their nation.

Originally posted by Black Fan
We are no supporting anything that even has a hint of Soros involved...simple as that.

Exactly, Soros is a well-known Agent of The House of Rothschild

reply to post by christina-66


A more thorough definition is this

The notion of "Totalitarianism" a "total" political power by state was formulated in 1923 by Giovanni Amendola who described Italian Fascism as a system fundamentally different from conventional dictatorships.[7] The term was later assigned a positive meaning in the writings of Giovanni Gentile, Italy’s most prominent philosopher and leading theorist of fascism. He used the term “totalitario” to refer to the structure and goals of the new state. The new state was to provide the “total representation of the nation and total guidance of national goals.”[8] He described totalitarianism as a society in which the ideology of the state had influence, if not power, over most of its citizens.[9] According to Benito Mussolini, this system politicizes everything spiritual and human: Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.[7]

en.wikipedia.org...

Please do not mistake my stance as accepting criminal behavior in some corporations. But the adbusters organizers have made it their life mission to oppose corporations in general, and that has been the stance of the typical OWS supporter.
I also do not support criminal behavior in wall street insider trading.
But it is truly outrageous that OWS supporters refuse to believe the involvement of the massively wealthy finance trader Soros. It just boggles my mind.

Would't surprise me at all OP. S&F.

And if people wont listen to you, then maybe they will this guy...


youtu.be...

Yes..it is very difficult...to not support the revolution that is so badly needed in this country.
Despite the good intent of the protesters..this is a social engineering event.
I am always amazed ..when I hear people speak about the NWO as a mystery/conspiracy...yet they can name a few a few of the members Soros, Koch's,etc.
Perhaps those in the know.. should side step the game a little bit ...rethink and reboot the infowar.
Check out AdBusters..they call themselves...mental environmentalists...IE.
This is the 99%..Declaration...They don't promote it much...ummm....I wonder why.
You will find plenty of political pros and cons.
They are calling for representatives from the various areas.
Voting will be done among their own.....and become the face of the revolution. (puppets)
sites.google.com...

I agree. They have made the point. Now we must focus on The easy way to change your country and dispel corruption and save nature.

The good news is you don’t have to protest, go to a voting booth, or spend any money
.
All we have to do is demand publically verifiable Internet voting. This would be by your picture, your fingerprint or some other, reliable testing. This would be continuous voting, for all major issues and eventually local issues, too. People can vote when they find the time, and vote from their desktops or the library or even their phones. Various methods now exist to verify voting and better ones are coming in all the time. This can be done. One website already trying to do this is Americans elect org. Check it out and consider registering.

But what good is voting if the government doesn’t have to follow the popular vote? So we will need a new law that commands government to follow the popular vote. If the people do not want war with Iraq, then the people who are paying for it with their own flesh and blood and tax money simply say: no war. This law would restrict the government and all its associates.

But what if the government doesn’t want to listen to its own people? Then we set a date to withhold taxes, start civil disobedience, withhold cooperation, and any other payments to large corporations with lobbyists until the government is driven to its knees and agrees to follow the popular vote. If the movement had just 25 million people out of 350 million that would probably stop government in its tracks.

While we are at this, we need to demand a complete audit of government and the Federal Reserve to see where the money is going and how it is being printed. The people can control most corruption by simply having independent accountants analyze the books. I’m sure you wouldn’t let complete strangers manage your personal money and bank statements, would you? So my question is: Why do you allow complete strangers manage your personal money and bank statements? Gotcha, didn’t I?

That about does it!

Once we have 1) reliable Internet Voting, 2) A way to withhold taxes and all cooperation, 3) a new law forcing Government to follow our vote, and finally 4) the Government’s and the Federal Reserve’s books, then we can begin to correct the many problems stemming from the terrible collusion between Government, Corporations, Banks and Lobbyists – and whatever else may be lurking in the shadows!

Let’s get this going shall we? The American Revolution is 200 years old, already.

reply to post by jameshawkings


Congratulations, your post is the biggest nonsense I've read on ATS today

So in short, you are against protesting against corporate infiltration of the government, and are perfectly ok with banks being allowed to use taxpayer money to guarantee $75 TRILLION (BoA alone...count GS and the others and it's a lot more) of risky derivates investments...and of course the regular bailouts.

Go home people, be blind little sheep and continue to not show your outrage...your plan sounds awesome

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by jameshawkings

 

Congratulations, your post is the biggest nonsense I've read on ATS today

So in short, you are against protesting against corporate infiltration of the government, and are perfectly ok with banks being allowed to use taxpayer money to guarantee $75 TRILLION (BoA alone...count GS and the others and it's a lot more) of risky derivates investments...and of course the regular bailouts.

Go home people, be blind little sheep and continue to not show your outrage...your plan sounds awesome

Just because people warn of an impending doom, does not mean they think what is being done is right or wrong.

It is merely a warning and/or caution to those involved with the protest.

Geez, I swear. If someone didn't post things like "Hey, OWS watch out, it is more then likely a trap", people criticize for not being informed when it happens.
Yet, when people say to watch out, they are by default against the thing.

What a mad crazy world.