Occupy Oakland Protester admits bottles were thrown at Police BEFORE police responded

Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

You seem to want to over complicate things for no reason. It is really quite simple.
OWS =/= Democrats
TEA = Republicans.

That is all there is to that. Neo and Eurisko are even proud of it because they keep bragging about it.

not true i know plenty of democrats that are not on board with the OWS movement for one, also i have friends that are republican and libertarians that are involved with the ows movement, also i am not a democrat , never have been, and i am part of ows.
the occupy movement is enveloping the entire world, in hundreds and hundreds of cities, it is global, not repub, not democrat. when are you people going to understand that and leave the partisan BS at the door?

reply to post by Eurisko2012

Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc. are all socialistic programs and 100% American. if you don't like socialism i suggest you leave the United States as well.
Ignorance of reality is no excuse for silly comments.

reply to post by CaDreamer



Thank you for backing me up.
=/= means "does not equal."
You made the same point I was.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc. are all socialistic programs and 100% American. if you don't like socialism i suggest you leave the United States as well.
Ignorance of reality is no excuse for silly comments.

You are missing the big picture.
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The OWS is all about Anti-capitalism.
They want to blow up the current system and replace it will a European model.
--- Hello, George Soros ---
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Yes, here in the USA we have a capitalistic system with a few socialistic band-aids.

We should not make it worse with ObamaCare.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, etc. are all socialistic programs and 100% American. if you don't like socialism i suggest you leave the United States as well.
Ignorance of reality is no excuse for silly comments.

You are missing the big picture.
----------
The OWS is all about Anti-capitalism.
They want to blow up the current system and replace it will a European model.
--- Hello, George Soros ---
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Yes, here in the USA we have a capitalistic system with a few socialistic band-aids.

We should not make it worse with ObamaCare.

there are some in the movement that feel that way, however they do not represent the majority of the people protesting that they can no longer live day to day working 60 + hours a week as their parents, and their parents, and their parents, etc. have done in this country forever. The system has been changed, hijacked, we want it back, thats all.

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The majority do feel that way in NYC.
30% say they are willing to resort to violence if that's what it takes to blow up
the whole system and start over.
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The communists have come out of the bushes.

George Soros has admitted that the USA is in his way.

First of all, politics don't need to get involved with OWS. Also, whoever through the bottles are wrong for what they did. However, to throw gas canisters and shoot rubber bullets into a crowd of people is not an appropriate response. There is no way that all of them were throeing bottles, and I'm sure that some people were just standing there protesting. Maybe an old couple, or some kids........ My point is the police were out of line, and though I totally believe that whoever threw bottles should be hung out to dry (figuratively speaking), I also believe that you can't judge a whole crowd of people over the actions of a few. Just because there are SOME terrorists in Iraq, doesn't mean we should blow up the whole country

I think its brilliant whoever turned the whole movement into nothing more than a catch phrase stating 99% vs 1%
people love catch phrases like "epic fail" or "seriously?" I think those are the top ones for 2011. I guess every era has them like "far out" or "right on man" from the 70's or lets not forget the 80's "radical" or totally awesome" then the 90's "def" or "dis" the the early 2000 "thats off the hook" now its the epic fail or seriously? era. being a student of socialology (arent we all really?) its easy to measure every 10 years. language is like music, and changes every decade. I recommend using speech that is timeless like that of the music of beethoven or mozart. After all if you speech is timeless wont you message also be? if these movements arent using the right speech then their message will be forgotten sort of like new kids on the block...

I do have my problems here telling someone to leave this country big problem's with it since that comment was made then how about all "My Precious" OWS and their "supporters" leave to go to those socialist Utopia's they love so much.

No wait they are more screwed than we are and WHY? because of all those social programs that have talled up 150 trillion in debt that can never be paid back. Where over 150 million Americans sole provider is the US Government via taxation but wait for it those socialist programs now have more people consuming than producing and introducing new wealth in the economic system.

But pay no never mind to that LET'S ADD MORE.!

Meh i didn't respond to the last few people because it was a waste of time and i considered their post's to be worthless.

Thanks Have a Nice Day and May the "Most Precious" OWS Be With You because i am not.

The moment that the protestors started to throw objects, be it bottles, rocks or sticks, at armed police, is when they cease to be a protest and started to become a riot.

Protesting is acceptable in this country, it is a means for a large group of people to voice their discontent. Even strikes are a form of protesting against businesses that are treating them unfairly, hoping to gather up support from the general population to make it hurt the business or government agency or the government in general. Protests come in all shapes and sizes, over a wide variety of issues, most of which are hot button issues such as abortion, gay rights, immigration and illegal immigrants. And as long as they are peaceful, they are viewed and are warranted the support of the public to support them, even when it is a message the people do not like, as that is the idea behind the freedom of speech.

But that right, that very freedom to which all of the protestors enjoy also is a 2 edge sword, as there is responsibilities on the part of the protestors, to ensure that they do not damage property, that they do not endanger the public or commits acts of violence. When such occurs on the part of the protestors, they cease to be protestors but rioters, changing the political games at their actions.

The protestors are not taking responsibility for their actions or those in their groups, allowing for individuals to do what they want, as they desire, be it sleeping on private property, having people being misrepresented to the general population as a symbol or even out right theft of their own property. And who is going to have to clean up the mess when the dust has settled and all is said and done, the people who are not involved, be it one way or the other. We watch and wait. And the side that commits the first act of violence usually does not get the public support and often finds it to be a long road, and a cold one.

These protestors, the OWS, be it that they know it or not, are being used, that much is starting to come out, from the unions, to Ex Acorn members, to even the federal government. And that is widely reported, that these groups are getting involved, and ultimately are giving this protest a bad name, combined with the lack of details and goals, as to the hurts they believe that they have endured. For this reason, more and more people are turning away, as they are no longer seeing this as a protest, but a political agenda, with the protestors being used as political pawns, after all 2012 is just around the corner and it is a major election year, the question will be what will happen between now and then, and how will the weather play into this, as they are out in the elements and have no protective gear, are we now to foot the medical costs for the protestors due to the exposure to the elements, like frost bite as they do not appear to be very well organized. And are they prepared for the long haul, to deal with the exposure to the elements, such as frost bite, heat exhaustion and other exposure problems? Only time will tell.

However, full context is needed, and the details will have to come out, as to why and how, and the more that does the more the public is shying away from the protestors, as they are not out there for the betterment of society or the country, rather for themselves and their own personal agendas.

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William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born December 26, 1944)is an American elementary education theorist and a former leader in the movement that opposed U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for his 1960s activism as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s, in response to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

LINK

At least SOME people see it for what it is..........



OWS has its hands full with people like this...............

Especially when he lends support to OWS.

Ayers, whose Weather Underground waged a terrorist campaign across the country during the late 1960s and early 1970s, was spotted in Chicago last week lending his revolutionary support to Occupy Chicago.

Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn lend support to Occupy Wall Street


Violence Anyone?

Pics or it didn't happen.
What evidence is there that this guy was even there?
What evidence is there that he's not a plant from police?
What evidence is there that this "incident" occurred?

exactly. You don't think the cops have paid informants who will do this for them? If you think that, you really haven't been paying attention.

I am part of Occupy Montreal, and the movement is nothing like anti-OWS want to paint it. All I see are stupid generalizations and mocking.

How many of you actually went to a Occupy movement? I did, I wanted to see what it was really all about, no media bull#, no anti-OWS bull#, no pro-OWS bull#. Just facts.

Here's what are 2 the main topics:
- We must abolish fractional banking
- We must fix the debt system which is impossible to pay back since there's more debt than actual money.

Most people are looking for direct democracy and they all want to kill the corruption in the system. I know of some people in the US who are claiming the end of the FED.

Now I ask you, how is that bad, or blind, or stupid? It would appear that the blinds here are those who will go against the movement without actually going there in person to see what it's like. This is nothing like a leftist movement. Yes, there might be some lefty argument, but who cares? Capitalism vs socialism was created to divide the people. There are good points either way.

So to all OWS haters, get up your ass and actually go there. If you don't like it, why won't you try to make a change? The movement is there to stay, like it or not. Look at Oakland, there are more people now than there was before the raid. So quit bitching about it, and go see for yourself, instead of watching pro/anti-OWS youtube videos. Go listen to the speakers, or try to make a change by participating in a committee (all of them are open to everybody, it's not like some shady political game).

I have a great sense of discernment, and I can spot the bull# when I see it. OWS is nothing like bull#, it attacks key points that make us slaves to the system.

So yeah, they threw bottle at the police. I'd be interested to know how many people did that...I would expect it was NOT the majority and just some trouble makers? Yet people here want to pain the whole movement the same. Sorry, this is just bad. Let me tell you that if the police wouldn't have shown up in riot gear with weapons in hands to a peaceful protest, nothing of the sort would have happened. They are trying to discredit the movement right now because it's picking up so fast. Actually, the day after, Occupy Oakland held a general assembly and spoke about the importance of staying peaceful and not playing their game.

Look at it the way you want, the police still did shot a rubber bullet into someone's head, then threw a flashband into the crowd that wanted to help the unconscious man. ANYONE that believe this was justified is just plainly sick and ill. The man was brought to the hospital in a critical condition, nothing justifies police brutality. Not even a bottle or two thrown by obvious troublemakers. When you show up in a peaceful protest in riot gear, destroying all the tents and raiding the whole place (illegally by the way), you can expect people to get pissed off. They're there because they're pissed off, so it's like a double piss me off.

In Egypt, they were hero, but here, they're idiots? Guys I can't follow you here.

EDIT: And what the above poster said...this is what I suspect. Troublemakers/paid saboteurs...

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by loveguy
I imagine that if there wasn't a cop dressed in riot gear, there was no reason to throw anything?

Provocation is a duel edged sword.

Huh? What sort of flawed logic is that?

So you are saying it was fine to throw the initial bottle at the cops because of what they might have been wearing?

That is like saying it is fine for a man to take advantage of a woman because of what she is wearing, like a short skirt.

How threatened I would feel if I was among an assembly of peaceful protesters--->protesting peacefully one moment then the next I'm assaulted by the scene of riot police...

It's an assault on the psyche for people to be subjected to police in riot gear...what are these police in riot gear anticipating if it's not a riot? Since when can we not peaceably assemble to protest?

Kinda like the example of your assault on my character insinuating that I would condone a rape. Please try not to take my words out of context.

My inner cynic wanted a few words.

What's to say the the 'protestors' that threw the bottles were in fact protestors, and not agent provocateurs?

I'll tie him back up and lock him away again.

M.

What if the american revolution of the 1700's was only people walking peacefully around with signs? do you think we would be living in the same america we are today? They didnt use words like "terrorist" back then they used words like revolutionist. Put it to your mind, think about it, chew on it. Do you really think peaceful protest are really the anser to change? Honestly if you live in new york look out your window and answer me.

Originally posted by Gab1159


In Egypt, they were hero, but here, they're idiots? Guys I can't follow you here.

Sorry,but Egypt is NOT getting better. Even after REVOLUTION.

“I am the enemy of democracy,” Hesham al Ashry said in an interview with Fox News in his Cairo tailor shop. The devout Muslim is a main organizer in a group called the Salafists, which is working to bring Shariah law to Egypt. They, along with the Muslim Brotherhood, have risen quickly in the past eight months to fill the power vacuum left in post-Mubarak Egypt.

Religious Violence, Uncertainty in Post-Mubarak Egypt Threatens Ties to Israel, U.S.

And that's the whole point. Yes things need to change,but America needs a common voice,or you get the Radicals of America,wanting to sweep in their own brand of change. The Goals of OWS are not set in stone. Neither were the Goals of the Egyptian people.

Originally posted by loveguy
How threatened I would feel if I was among an assembly of peaceful protesters--->protesting peacefully one moment then the next I'm assaulted by the scene of riot police.

So you feel assaulted by looking at police in riot gear? That is funny. Perhaps you need to 'man-up' a little and stop being so easily offended.

what are these police in riot gear anticipating if it's not a riot? Since when can we not peaceably assemble to protest?

They were peacefully assembled and protesting until one of these lovable tree-huggers threw a bottle at the police so your point is mute. The police were there to begin with in case a little scuffle turned into something more. You do realize that when people of different opinions get together and both are passionate about their stance that something negative could happen right?

Kinda like the example of your assault on my character insinuating that I would condone a rape. Please try not to take my words out of context.

Umm.......Reading comprehension is your friend.
I said nothing of the sort that you would condone rape.
It's called an analogy to showcase your flawed logic.

I have to say, I agree that the police will eventually stop saber rattling and crack down, and it will be because these OWS step over some line. The protesters want it to happen. These OWS people are deliberately baiting the cops and trying to start something. It looks to me like they want a Tahrir square moment after all. The cops have been trying to keep their cool. So what are the police supposed to do when protesters throw rocks and bottles? Sit back and watch it happen? Protesters are bringing rocks and bottles to a gun fight! If a protester gets killed, you all only have yourselves to blame!

I am seeing more and more people walk away from the OWS movement just because of the immaturity of a lot of the folk. At first I thought it was a pretty good move against big money, but the more I see, the more disgusted I am.

This is WHY I dislike OWS!

What's wrong with OWS!

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt the French revolution started when a stone was thrown from the protesters at one of the gates guardsmen?