E-Cat -The Greatest Invention of All Time?!

One of the first things he said in one of those videos...how overunity can be achieved if there is just enough money...in fact he made it very clear that MONEY would be the major issue which allegedly is in the way to achieve over-unity.

You can read this in a way that he is begging for more..or trying to get more.

OK, when they heat it up why do they terminate the reaction before the reactor produced more power than it ate during "warm up". Until I see it running for a week or so i call scam.

reply to post by eywadevotee


According to "sources", they produced 2635kWh in the so called "sustained phase" where that power is turned off, (respective only a very small amount of power is required to keep the reaction going).

For "igniting" the reactor, according to that source, they needed 320kWh. Which would STILL mean that the reactor produced a LOT more energy than was put in in total.

So..the whole "idea" would be that the reactor needs to be ignited, but can then be quasi-shut off and produces energy for months....until the nickle is used up.

The problem here is:

Those are all CLAIMS and nothing of this is independently verified. The tests in the past all had some flaws or reasons for skepticism (eg. location of sensors etc.)...and in those 11 past tests INCLUDING the test today he did not manage to convince that the claims are legit.

So..where are we standing today? Someone making extraordinary claims (even used the words "overunity" etc)..throwing around some numbers and releasing some rather OMINOUS piece of paper which supposedly should prove something? Problem is... you don't do science like this...not if you want to be credible.

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Another good argument, read it somewhere....today in the test the total of "generated" 2636kWH average to 470ish kWh....which is about the heat which fivethousand 100W light bulbs generate.

According to the PESN site, 1 MW powers "750-1000" homes...so we could say that the 470kW produced today are supposed to power 350-500 homes.. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG

Why cant he just do the right thing
and provide the tests requierd for
the masses.

All it takes is having the "reactor"
running without any additional
conections AND having
testmessurments equipment
available....

But i doubt that will happen.....

Here is it, in a nutshell:

a) Why does he not publicly state what catalysator is used?
A: Because if he does, it could be immediately proven that his system is bunk?

b) Why does he NEVER run his reactor(s) longer than a few hours?
A: Because the reactor CAN not run many "days" or "weeks" as he claims?

Excuse me, extraordinary claims NEED extraordinary and careful evidence - so where the heck is this proof?

Originally posted by flexy123

a) Why does he not publicly state what catalysator is used?

Because he wants to make lots and lots of money, probably?

Originally posted by cupocoffee

Originally posted by flexy123

a) Why does he not publicly state what catalysator is used?

Because he wants to make lots and lots of money, probably?

I'm sure if it is this world changing
invention he has it all patented and
it would not be a problem.

Originally posted by cupocoffee

Originally posted by flexy123

a) Why does he not publicly state what catalysator is used?

Because he wants to make lots and lots of money, probably?

Why no independent, transparent testing, not testing performed by "secret clients"?

reply to post by john_bmth


Security, maybe?

reply to post by cupocoffee


Clasping at straws. This was hyped to be the big event as a proof of concept, yet all we have is dubious test results performed by a "secret client". There is nothing I dependent about these tests whatsoever, just more smoke and mirrors.

reply to post by john_bmth


Okay, you win. There's nothing really going on here, no world-changing technology being tested, just "smoke and mirrors". Riiiiight....

reply to post by cupocoffee


If you believe differently then by all means post up the evidence, such as independent testing performed by engineers who are happy to state their credentials and affiliations. Otherwise, you're holding a faith-based belief, not an evidence-based belief. Enough insinuating that there's proof of this "world changing" technology, post it up for all to see.

reply to post by john_bmth


It's not my job to prove this technology to oil/coal/nuclear industry shills in ATS threads.

I have nothing more to contribute. Go ahead and get the last word if you feel the need...

If this were true, then the open review and publishing in front of a world wide audience provide security and safety for Rossi...it would add legitimacy and weight to him, not detract from him or any other concerned entities...

Originally posted by cupocoffee
reply to post by john_bmth

 

It's not my job to prove this technology to oil/coal/nuclear industry shills in ATS threads.

Translation: I can't refute your points or answer your questions so I'm going to dismiss you as a "shill" instead.

I have nothing more to contribute. Go ahead and get the last word if you feel the need...

You're right, you do have nothing to contribute, so why bother posting in the first place?

reply to post by cupocoffee


Believe me, I am no shill for fossil fuels...I would hope beyond hope we would finally do what we need to do and focus on R&D designed to help humanity and not kill humanity...instead, we seem beholden to finding better ways to kill and maim...but the fact remains, this type of testing needs to be put out in front of as many eyes as possible...with all the ways this can be accomplished today, it could be done...so why not???

Originally posted by john_bmth

Translation: I can't refute your points or answer your questions so I'm going to dismiss you as a "shill" instead.

If the shoe fits...

You're right, you do have nothing to contribute, so why bother posting in the first place?

Because I, like many people I'm sure, have been waiting for this moment for many years, and I'm really excited!

Cold Fusion, FTW!!

Now I just wish all the shills would quit trying to rain on the parade!

Originally posted by cupocoffee

Originally posted by john_bmth

Translation: I can't refute your points or answer your questions so I'm going to dismiss you as a "shill" instead.

If the shoe fits...

Translation: I still cannot answer a single question or refute any of your points so I'm going to resort to name calling instead.

You're right, you do have nothing to contribute, so why bother posting in the first place?

Because I, like many people I'm sure, have been waiting for this moment for many years, and I'm really excited!

Cold Fusion, FTW!!

So the fact that there is no evidence (only more excuses) doesn't in any way dampen your enthusiasm? I guess you cant reason someone out of a position they didnt readon themself into.

Now I just wish all the shills would quit trying to rain on the parade!

What parade? What exactly is the cause for celebration? After all that build up, there's STILL no evidence for his claims whatsoever.

reply to post by jeichelberg


All the public testing and confirmations and proofs you're asking for will come in time I'm sure.

This was only the first day, only the beginning!

Have some patience, and BE HAPPY for god's sake!

reply to post by cupocoffee


What "public testings and confirmation"? You've already admitted that no independent testing has performed so there is no evidence. You have an irrational faith, nit unlike religious faith. You see what you want to see and conveniently ignore the glaring red flags. But hey, that's faith for you.