E-Cat -The Greatest Invention of All Time?!

reply to post by cupocoffee


You mean the "secret customer" who no one knows anything about? Jeez, you really will take anyone at their word, won't you. I got some magic beans if youre interested, got lots of customers who have tried them and placed large orders. Of course, I can't disclose who they are and what the beans are made of, that's top secret I'm afraid

reply to post by john_bmth


And your "guilty until proven innocent" approach is just as bad, john_b.

You start by assuming everything is a hoax, you accuse the person involved of being a liar and a criminal, and all the friends and supporters around the person of being liars and criminals...

And then you wonder why a lot of people don't want to bother with ATS, when it's full of people like you?

As for me, I'm on Sterling's side, and always will be.

Originally posted by cupocoffee
I see no reason to believe that he's lying about this. If you want to assume that he's lying, well that's up to you, but I think you're being unnecessarily pessimistic here....

OK then let's not make any assumptions.

There's no reason to assume he's telling the truth either. You don't have to believe he's a liar to admit that, we can say we just don't know because nothing is confirmed.

We did know who the customer was, Defkalon, and it looks to me like they bailed out, so I think that's at least enough reason to be suspicious, even though as you said, it doesn't confirm he's lying.

And I find it interesting their website still references the e-cat technology:
www.defkalion-energy.com...
Why would they bail out of the greatest invention of all time?

Unless it wasn't the greatest invention of all time?

Or what really happened to the Defkalon- Andrea Rossi agreement? Everything I've read has been pretty tight-lipped and not too revealing other than to confirm the relationship ended. In the future, court documents may reveal more if one or both file lawsuits.

reply to post by cupocoffee


Yes yes, enough of the circle jerking. Evidence or it didn't happen, as they say.

reply to post by john_bmth


So watch and wait, and see if the "customer" makes a public statement.

What else is there to do? No one cares about your demands, john_b. I certainly don't see Rossi going out of his way to accomodate you, after you accuse him of being a criminal

reply to post by cupocoffee


Are you denying that he was jailed as a criminal for tax evasion? Or was the money "just resting in his account"?

There are no discussion, if i buy a car ill try it first...
But in this case id have to buy the E-cat first, THEN try...

Right....

Buy the pig in a sack and get some rocks....

Originally posted by rayuki
why is everyone getting so upitty about this for?

seriously if you discovered how to do this would you sprout it to the world and display every bit of evidence displaying how it works in minute detail? so anyone with half a brain can steal your work and make a profit off it?

of course not, you would do what this guy is doing.

No, this guy is doing what scammers try to do.

People who discover something important and need funding DO disclose details needed to confirm there is something there there.

Such as a complete gamma rays spectrum made by good nuclear experimentalists.

reply to post by boncho


Actually, it's not a big assumption at all.

The tests carried out on the 28th measured 470K Watt hours per hour of energy out, in 'self sustaining mode' for no cost.

A total of 2635KW hours of energy was put out by the E-Cat, for a paltry 66KW hours energy used to run cooling fans and water pumps.

The calculation breaks down to 470KW hours per hour, for nothing, completely free energy....OK it costs 2 grammes of Hydrogen ( 1 cent cost) and a few grammes of Nickel powder (a few cents), so not completely free!

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by cupocoffee

 

Are you denying that he was jailed as a criminal for tax evasion? Or was the money "just resting in his account"?

By that token, the last few US presidents are criminals too. (one or two of the UK's PM's and Royal family are too)

Clinton admitted breaking drugs laws and smoking Cannabis, so an admitted criminal.

Bush has drugs history too, but he prefers coke apparently, so another criminal

Obama has also admitted to 'trying pot', so another Cannabis drugs criminal...it seems if Rossi has been a criminal, he's in good company.

BUT...does smoking Cannabis or snorting a bit of coke now and then make someone a fraud? Does it make a PM or president, or future king any less than they were before the drugs? A scientist any less scientifically correct, especially if peer reviewed and inspected?

No, it doesn't.

Not any more than not paying taxes makes a scientist suddenly unscientific or brilliant.

Were all basically criminals in one way or another..dropping litter is a crime, as is speeding in a vehicle, finding cash on the street and not handing it in, etc. etc. etc.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Apparently Greece was withholding promised payments to Rossi and Co.

They wouldn't pay up, so the relationship ended. Nothing mysterious, it happens every day in business.
Let's not forget that Greece is up financial poo river without a paddle at the moment, who knows, maybe someone in the EU (or the EU as a whole, or OPEC, or USA or maybe even the Russians) was making Greece an offer it couldn't refuse, as regards it's current financial predicament.

There's a lot of very powerful and very wealthy (and 'uninhibited') players that would be wiped out if this technology comes to fruition, so it stands to reason there are a lot of behind the scenes 'goings on' and rabid politics and knife throwing happening.

In segment one of the PESN videos (four parts) detailing this 1MW test, while i can't be certain as Rossi was speaking in Italian, i think i hear him mention who the customer currently is: Yamato Corporation is mentioned while Rossi is reading his notes...i don't know for sure, but that's what it sounded like to me.

Originally posted by spikey

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by cupocoffee

 

Are you denying that he was jailed as a criminal for tax evasion? Or was the money "just resting in his account"?

By that token, the last few US presidents are criminals too. (one or two of the UK's PM's and Royal family are too)

Clinton admitted breaking drugs laws and smoking Cannabis, so an admitted criminal.

Bush has drugs history too, but he prefers coke apparently, so another criminal

Obama has also admitted to 'trying pot', so another Cannabis drugs criminal...it seems if Rossi has been a criminal, he's in good company.

BUT...does smoking Cannabis or snorting a bit of coke now and then make someone a fraud? Does it make a PM or president, or future king any less than they were before the drugs? A scientist any less scientifically correct, especially if peer reviewed and inspected?
No, it doesn't.

Not any more than not paying taxes makes a scientist suddenly unscientific or brilliant.

Were all basically criminals in one way or another..dropping litter is a crime, as is speeding in a vehicle, finding cash on the street and not handing it in, etc. etc. etc.

What are you trying to say? That tax fraud isn't a crime? Or that dumping environmental toxins isn't a crime? How on earth are you equating smoking pot or littering with tax fraud and dumping environmental toxins?

reply to post by john_bmth

What are you trying to say? That tax fraud isn't a crime? Or that dumping environmental toxins isn't a crime? How on earth are you equating smoking pot or littering with tax fraud and dumping environmental toxins?

Isn't it obvious?

I'm not trying to say anything, i am actually saying it.

If you are having problems comprehending my point, then i'll explain it for you.

The point being made is a relatively simple one..in simple terms, rubbishing someone's current achievements or positive work based on previous legal or illegal matters is completely missing the point of the current work being discussed, or can be seen as a deliberate attempt to discredit the current and positive work by churlish gossip that is irrelevant to the topic at hand, iow, a successful cold fusion test, which generated 470KW hours per hour self sustained is the important focus for the world, not whether or not the guy has been trying since the 70's fuel crisis to find a viable alternative fuel, and had mishaps and legal tussles years before.

The significance of several presidents admitting that they too are criminals by illegally breaking their own laws they have since sworn to uphold, should be obvious to anyone, but in case you don't get it..there are hundreds of thousands of men and women, and young adults currently locked away in prison for simply smoking, possessing, or growing a few pot plants...ask them if their current misery is a trivial matter for them or if they feel fine about one man being sent to prison for it and another sitting in the Oval office for doing the same thing?

If the crime is serious enough for one man to be denied his liberty and have his family suffer, then the same should be true of the hypocrites in high office who have ripped the man from his family and put him into prison if they commit the same crime.

I don't agree anyone should be sent to prison for possession or use of drugs. The self confessed procession of dope smoking US Presidents DO though, and regularly enact legislation that condemns non violent, ostensibly normally law abiding people to years of misery in prison for doing the exact same thing!

Yet, the hypocrites get to remain in high office, and the innocents get sent to jail.

Previous 'criminality' obviously doesn't appear to have a bearing on brilliance or invention or even attaining positions of political power, except possibly as a motivational force to achieve better. And no, i do not 'equate' tax crime and environmental crime with littering and drug taking, they are all illegal however, and goes to the issue of the blanket statement of 'criminal' being used to discredit Rossi's current achievements with the E-Cat device.

You can summarise this post yourself mate, reading the meaning behind the bumpf is a good idea with long winded posts from me.

reply to post by spikey


Just because a president isn't jailed for smoking pot doesn't mean that tax fraud and illegal dumping of environmental toxins is somehow ok. Seriously, you Rossi apologists are really scraping the barrel.

Back on topic: evidence or it didn't happen.

reply to post by john_bmth

NO mate, it's you slag off artists who are scraping the barrel.

Instead of attacking the science or the device, or the results obtained, or the credibility of the skeptics present or the Professors of Physics, or the investors at the tests who have ALL, without ANY dissent or exception, confirmed that the E-Cat is working as described and IS generating significant amounts of energy in a self sustaining reaction, using minute quantities of pressurised Hydrogen gas (very cheap) and Rossi's proprietary catalyst based on Nickel, probably Nanoparticle Nickel powder doped with other materials (also cheap).

THAT is the topic matey, the topic you seem to be keen to avoid discussing in favour of discussing Rossi for use in some weak straw man argument, that has NO relevance to the experiment, or what the witnesses say about the experimental results obtained, NOT whether years ago, Rossi had left a previous experimental site polluted or not and so on.

Since you're so keen on being on topic, why don't you discuss the experiment and the professional, highly intelligent and qualified observers instead?

reply to post by spikey


Let's see, evidence to date: nothing. To say that his previous track record as a convicted fraudsters and criminal has no bearing on his current investor-hunting exercise is blindingly naive.

reply to post by john_bmth

Have it your own way.

Regardless of what you, I or anyone else thinks of Rossi, his past or his character today, it's the science that is important, not historical transgressions of individuals concerned.

To ignore the fact that a host of very qualified, very capable people, all on the alert for fraud or trickery and have not come forwards to claim such has been detected, is imo, naive.

But then, if you are yourself a professor of Physics i guess you have partial grounds to at least claim fraud, but i don't imagine a busy and qualified Physics professor would be hanging around these boards trying to discredit the man and not the science.

Let's leave Rossi aside for a moment and if you like, you can tackle the science instead.

reply to post by spikey


What science? What evidence? There has been absolutely no independent testing performed and none of his "demonstrations" and PR gumpf has used anything that even resembles scientific method. The true believers like yourself are defending him to the hilt when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support his claims. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of baseless faith, eh?

reply to post by spikey


spikey,

Why waste your time and energy going around and around in circles trying to convince someone who obviously has his own agenda and will not be convinced no matter what you say?

reply to post by cupocoffee


Why waste your time supporting a position that has absolutely zero evidence? Are you a Rossi shill, by any chance? You clearly have an agenda singing the praises a convicted fraudster that has not delivered a shred of objective evidence for his wild claims.