"Enemy" account of Iraq War

Originally posted by Damned
I'm not saying this isn't true, but I can't find any American press reporting this. Can you?

Yes. See:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by zcheng
Yes. See:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I see. Thanks.

Mod Edit: Added source and removed copy-paste text

[edit on 13-11-2004 by dbates]

With fighting erupt in the central and north Iraq like in Mosul, with US troops in Fallujah divide and some group surrounded and purged.

It is not a difficult conclusion for everyone to make from the above reports.

"Mission Accomplished" again.

Nov 14, 2004
By Omar al-Faris, JUS

In a report in early this morning, Fallujah Mujahideen have rejected the US request for cease fire and have wiped the besieged American column on Al-Hadhrah street. After the American occupation forces made several military attempts to break the siege around their battalion that had been encircled by Mujahideen on Al-Hadhrah street for several days, they were unable to dislodge it. When those military attempts failed, they resorted to peaceful solution by requesting cease fire- using loud speakers to make sure that their plea is heard. Mujahideen subsequently rejected the American request and proceeded to wipe out the entire American column on Hadhrah street. Details of American casualties are currently being evaluated, verified, and will be forth coming;

Americans Loosen Their Grip On Fallujah Perimeters

In an attempt to show good faith towards the citizens of Fallujah, the American occupiers have reopened Al-Azraqiah pass to allow families to leave. Many vacating families were seen having with obvious signs of weakness, malnutrition, torn up clothes, injuries and dust from being under rubbles. Children showed unmistakable signs of weakness, lack of food, dehydration, and lack of medical care as a result of cutting off all food and medical supplies to the city by American occupiers. The occupiers were savage towards the citizens of Fallujah during the initial siege to the extent of positioning snipers at the river banks to fire at anyone coming neat the river for a drink.

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Yeah zcheng, I have noticed how you mainly quote from one or two sources....that's first...second I see how you are avoiding to mention....

1. Iraqi troops have found "slaughterhouses" in Fallujah, where civilian and military foreign hostages were kept....

2. our troops have found the body of a western woman with her throath slit and her limbs cut off....one of the many hostages that were kept in "Fallujah"..... the people in Fallujah are not as innocent as you are making them....that first...

oh and if i can remember, Baghdag Bob was also claiming on the IRaqi radio and tv that "no US troops were inside Baghdag" while our tanks and coalition soldiers where rolling behind his back..... That's what you call a reliable news source?........

And you are saying that you are not anti-US?.....pleaaase.....



[edit on 14-11-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
1. Iraqi troops have found "slaughterhouses" in Fallujah, where civilian and military foreign hostages were kept....

2. our troops have found the body of a western woman with her throath slit and her limbs cut off....one of the many hostages that were kept in "Fallujah"..... the people in Fallujah are not as innocent as you are making them....that first...

And you are saying that you are not anti-US?.....pleaaase.....
[edit on 14-11-2004 by Muaddib]

You are so easy to buy into any propaganda, just like WMD.

I present the "Enemy" images for you to better understand the reality.

Im amazed at how hooked you yanks are. You can't let this "red china man's" thread whither like most, not without getting the last word in . Good on you zcheng for keeping them motivated. 14 pages and you are all still going strong.

If anything, it's great entertainment. And an interesting insight into cultural bullsheetery.

Originally posted by Muaddib
1. Iraqi troops have found "slaughterhouses" in Fallujah, where civilian and military foreign hostages were kept....

2. our troops have found the body of a western woman with her throath slit and her limbs cut off....one of the many hostages that were kept in "Fallujah".....
[edit on 14-11-2004 by Muaddib]

I dont understand why you all are pissed of because of the slaughtering...
That is what happens in war!!! The war YOU started!!
The US chose the war, not Iraq...

And if foreign people do not want to get slaughtered, then they must stay in theire countries!!!

Originally posted by Muaddib
the people in Fallujah are not as innocent as you are making them....
[edit on 14-11-2004 by Muaddib]

Your army isn't innocent too!!!

Originally posted by Muaddib
oh and if i can remember, Baghdag Bob was also claiming on the IRaqi radio and tv that "no US troops were inside Baghdag" while our tanks and coalition soldiers where rolling behind his back..... That's what you call a reliable news source?........
[edit on 14-11-2004 by Muaddib]

Based on which source? (If you can remember!)

[edit on 14-11-2004 by ibn_almuhalab]

Resistance wipes out US column cut off on al-Hadrah Street in al-Fallujah.

In a dispatch posted at 12:30am Sunday morning local time, 11:30pm Saturday night Mecca time the al-Fallujah correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that the Resistance in al-Fallujah had completely wiped out the US column that had been encircled on al-Hadrah Street near the al-Hadrah Mosque in the city for three days.

US forces had tried to break through to the isolated US column on several occasions but all in vain. They even attempted peaceful means, proposing through loudspeakers a cease fire to the Resistance fighters earlier on Saturday. The Resistance, however, rejected the American appeal and continued encircling and striking the isolated US column until it was totally wiped out.

US loosens its grip on al-Fallujah after making cease-fire appeal to the Resistance.

Many al-Fallujah families on Saturday were able to leave the city by the al-Azraqiyah crossing, which the US troops had opened up in an apparent attempt to show �good will� towards the residents of the city after the US appealed for a cease fire and negotiations.

The Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent reported that those leaving the city showed clear signs of the effects of days without food, water, or electricity, under savage US bombing. Their clothes were frequently tattered after they had been pulled from the ruins of their homes. Children wailed loudly from thirst and hunger.

US pleas for cease-fire, negotiations with Resistance in al-Fallujah.

In a dispatch posted Saturday at 7:14pm local time, 6:14pm Mecca time, the al-Fallujah correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that in a repeat of the scenario played out in April this year, the US forces have called for a cease fire in al-Fallujah. American troops made their call using loudspeakers, requesting in addition, that talks be opened with the Iraqi Resistance. In a face-saving gesture, the US-installed puppet government of Iyyad �Allawi announced that it was now seeking a �peaceful solution� in al-Fallujah to �save lives,� having already approved the massive cluster bombing of the city.

The heavy casualties inflicted on the US forces are the main reason for the American appeal � casualties largely unreported in the US media. The American column that has been surrounded by the Resistance and cut off inside the city for three days also no doubt played a role in pushing the US to this conclusion, after American war vehicles failed to break the encirclement around the beleaguered Americans.

An idea of the scale of US losses can be gleaned from the fact that the burned out wrecks of 40 US tanks can be seen on al-Jumhuriyah Street alone, after a major turning point was reached in the fighting on Friday. On Friday Iraqi Resistance forces destroyed 25 American tanks. US troops had been parking tanks in a former ice factory but it was mined and blown up by the Resistance � prompting some media to report that some kind of huge bomb had been dropped.

Days after the start of the first assault on al-Fallujah last April Mafkarat al-Islam reported that US troops had made an appeal for a cease-fire and negotiations. That report was initially discounted around the world as �preposterous� but later proved to be correct. The same scenario is apparently now repeating itself.

For more detail please read:
www.freearabvoice.org...

Al-Fallujah.
Resistance issues communiqu� on US losses in al-Fallujah. Discrepancies with Abu Sa�d interview noted.

In a dispatch posted at 7:03pm Mecca time, the office of Mafkarat al-Islam in al-Fallujah reported that it had received a short while before a communiqu� issued by the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah which discussed the number of American, British, and puppet �Allawi Army dead, wounded, and captured.

The communiqu� stated that in the operations of the last few days, the Iraqi Resistance had shot down two F-16 fighter bombers, 11 helicopters, 5 unmanned spy planes, and one Chinook helicopter with some 60 US troops aboard.

The communiqu� said that 136 US troops, 15 British soldiers, and 123 members of the �Allawi Army (i.e., puppet so-called �Iraqi national guardsmen�) had been captured by the Resistance. About 400 American troops and 140 �Allawi troops have been killed, the statement reported.

The communiqu� confirmed that the Iraqi Resistance had commandeered seven tanks and had destroyed a large number of other tanks, armored personnel carriers and other armored vehicles.

Mafkarat al-Islam noted that the figures cited in the communiqu� differed from those cited in a telephone conversation to al-Jazeera satellite TV by the Abu Sa�d ad-Daylami, the official spokesman of the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah on Saturday (see this report, below) in which he also mentioned that US forces had taken the major streets in al-Fallujah. Informed sources explained the discrepancies by observing that it was obviously much easier for the different Resistance organizations to coordinate their fighting activity than it was for them to coordinate their information gathering techniques and reporting.

The sources did express surprise at the relatively low numbers attributed by al-Jazeera to ad-Daylami, considering that there were reports from many sources that confirmed that 30 tanks and 12 other vehicles had been destroyed by the Resistance and that the Resistance had blown up the ice factory where the Americans had parked a large number of their military vehicles and where dozens of US troops were killed or wounded.

The Resistance sources repeated that the main streets of al-Fallujah � like ar-Ramadi Street, ath-Tharthar Street, al-Hadrah Street, and al-Jumhuriyah Street had been cleared of US troops, but that fighting was still underway on al-Wahdah Street and in the al-Jawlan neighborhood.

Spokesman for al-Fallujah Resistance denies US claims.

Abu Sa�d ad-Dulaymi, the official spokesman of the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah, announced that the military situation of American forces in al-Fallujah had not changed for three days. He made the remarks in reply to US claims to have completely seized control over al-Fallujah.

Speaking by telephone to al-Jazeera satellite TV Abu Sa�d said that the occupation troops have not been able until now to get near the al-Jawlan neighborhood; all they control are the main streets in al-Fallujah, backing up their presence with fierce air strikes.

Abu Sa�d ad-Dulaymi said that when the Americans refer to �pockets of resistance� they mean the whole neighborhoods of al-�Askari, ash-Shuhada�, al-Jaghifi, al-Wahdah, al-Jumhuriyah and the industrial zone � if they mean all these areas when they talk about �pockets of resistance,� then I tell you these �pockets� are al-Fallujah; these neighborhoods don�t exist outside of al-Fallujah.

The US forces are in a big public relations bind, Abu Sa�d said, since they�ve declared an end to military operations at a time when US forces are facing the Resistance on the inside and are surrounded on the outside of the city, being hit by rockets and mortars. In fact the proof that they are in a bind is the very fact that they have announced the end of the military operation.

Abu Sa�d denied claims that 1,000 Resistance fighters had been killed. He confirmed that 100 Resistance fighters had been killed. The remainder of the casualties are civilians He also said that the Chairman of the Consultative Council of the Mujahideen of al-Fallujah, �Abdallah al-Janabi, still leads the Resistance from within the city.

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These are the Report Totals for Fighting across Iraq on Saturday nov13th.The report does not include casualties from Fallujah,because they are not given in detail although 40 assorted tanks claimed destroyed are from Fallujah for Saturday.

U.S Soldiers Killed....................223
Intelligence............................. 4

Assorted Tanks....................... 40
Stryker Personel Carriers......... 13
Assorted Helicopters............... 3
Humvees Destroyed............... 19
Bradley Fighting Vehicles........ 15
Abrams Battle Tanks............. 4
BlackHawk Helicopters........... 2
Chinook Helicopter............... 1
Armoured Vehicles................ 8
Trucks/Tankers.................... 11

There are 2 parts to the totals as more information about Fallujah has emerged.1st Part with regard to Outside of Fallujah.The rest of Iraq.

U.S Soldiers Killed................168
CIA.................................... 12
Mossad.............................. 7

Humvees Destroyed...............28
Abrams Battle Tanks.............. 1
Bradley Fighting Vehicle..........16
Armoured Vehicles................. 3
Trucks Tankers......................16
BlackHawk Helicopters............. 1

Information Totals For 2 days fighting Sat and Sunday inside Fallujah.

U.S Soldiers Killed Inside Fallujah...460
Iraqi National Guard......................140
U.S Soldiers Captured.136,British Special Forces Captured 15,ING 123.

Captured Operational Abrams Tanks 7
Assorted Helicopters Destroyed 11
Chinook Helicopter Destroyed 1
Unmanned Spy Planes Shot Down 5
F-16 Fighter Bombers Downed 2

Unless you have actual ground truth, Please cite a source for your statistics.

Thanks
FredT

zcheng,
How in the world are we supposed to take your figures as anything near accurate if you do not provide source materials.

For all we know you throw darts at a board to come up with those numbers.

If the losses are as great as you claim, then wouldn't there be other sources to pick from, or to provide confirmation to what you claim.

Without other sources you are just wasting our time and bandwith.

Fred coolhand, in case you hadn't noticed zcheng has posted his sources over and over and over again for 15 or so pages now, given that they all were the same source, try taking a wild guess as to the source of his latest data.

Originally posted by twitchy
Fred coolhand, in case you hadn't noticed zcheng has posted his sources over and over and over again for 15 or so pages now,

Each post representsnew data and is the intellectual property of thier respective pages, so you have to cite your sources no matter how many times you use them

Originally posted by twitchy
Fred coolhand, in case you hadn't noticed zcheng has posted his sources over and over and over again for 15 or so pages now, given that they all were the same source, try taking a wild guess as to the source of his latest data.

Guess what, I have noticed his source (singular). Try taking a wild guess as to its credibility.

Maybe you, twitch, can walk us through how he comes up with the numbers he does?

I have actually read through the articles and (surpise) the numbers are not the same. So I want to know if there is another source that he is using? That could explain the numbers, but only if he provides it for us to see for ourselves.

Ok, so what's the total US soldiers reported dead from those reports? It has to be a crapload higher than the US tally.

Originally posted by FredT
Unless you have actual ground truth, Please cite a source for your statistics.

Thanks
FredT

Above statistics are from the above reports I posted, and you do not allow me to post the full report. Now do not even allow me to post the statistics?

Guess you and many moderators are afraid for the mass to hear the truth or the fiction.